ironstone Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: You could say the same about the US voting for someone like Trump. The goal of the GOP is to suppress voting. The US needed special laws that gave black people equal voting rights, laws that have since been repealed. I'm not sure you want to use embracing democracy as an indication of how successful multiculturalism is. People from the countries you describe have embraced Canada from both ends of the political spectrum. Could you cite some specific examples of voter suppression? Do you consider something like being asked to show identification in order to vote a form of suppression? "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, ironstone said: Could you cite some specific examples of voter suppression? Do you consider something like being asked to show identification in order to vote a form of suppression? Opposing Mail-In ballots and Early Voting in the face of a Global Pandemic is most certainly voter suppression. In Canada you don't need ID, you can register for voting using something that verifies your address. Many low income people don't have Drivers Licenses.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Defund doesn't mean eliminating police, but their role should be more focused. Call it whatever you want, but as of today the police are tasked with mopping up most of society's ills. Cops don't make people commit crimes....crimes defined by elected legislative process. Too easy to just blame the cops. 1 Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Cops don't make people commit crimes....crimes defined by elected legislative process. And defunding or re-assessing the role of cops will also be defined by the elected process.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, Boges said: And defunding or re-assessing the role of cops will also be defined by the elected process. Talk is cheap....let's see it happen. The criminal code and criminals will remain. Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 There has been talk, by several different unions such as truck drivers in the US, will not make deliveries to cities that have defunded police departments. , do to the increase security risk....another added expense for those that support defunding police, other unions are also saying to support truck drivers they to will stop delivering goods such as trains crews, this movement is just started to get mobile... Everything is defined by the elected process, however if you get it wrong you'll find yourself front and center of a board of inquiry, or looking for a new job, as politicians very rarely face criminal charges for there decisions...this process needs to be looked at by professionals, and not some knee jerk civilians that think they know best, those elected officials never have to face up to shitty mistakes they make. decrease budgets means decreased policing...at all levels... We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Boges said: You could say the same about the US voting for someone like Trump. And have. Their culture has been swayed more by propaganda from the likes of FOX, though, as opposed to newcomers, and besides, it's not so much their culture as the culture of certain parts of their nation. The culture of big cities hasn't been impacted much at all. 2 hours ago, Boges said: The goal of the GOP is to suppress voting. The US needed special laws that gave black people equal voting rights, laws that have since been repealed. What laws would those be? 2 hours ago, Boges said: I'm not sure you want to use embracing democracy as an indication of how successful multiculturalism is. Why? Because some elements of the US want to surprises voting? Do you think this compares even marginally to the political trickery in our source countries? Do you think the human rights abuses in our source countries are similar to what the Republicans want to do? Ie, torture of political prisons, rape and murder of populations which oppose the government. 2 hours ago, Boges said: People from the countries you describe have embraced Canada from both ends of the political spectrum. I don't mind the embrace until it becomes too tight. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Nobody seems willing to discuss this last part, but I have to ask again, what sort of spin are we trying to put on the big boot to the chest after the guy was down and suffering from multiple GSW's? That's simply not the way police are trained, nor do they have the time during the wild melee and scramble to consider such things calmly. Edited June 22, 2020 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: Everything I've read about this case indicates the officers escalated at every step. Not attempt to deescalate. Defund the police. Okay. Next time a crazy guy with a knife needs dealing with we'll call you. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: That's the irony of the cop debate. I would vote Conservative in any Canadian election, but it seems Conservatives love Police Unions. Not sure why. Conservatives love law and order. They are also all about personal responsibility. Ie, no one made you get drunk, drive a car, then fight with police. If you do and get hurt well... tough noogies. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: When people realize how much of their tax dollars go to meter maids with guns, I think things will change. As violent crime drops, police budgets keep going up. Violent crime isn't dropping it's been rising for four straight years. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
taxme Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 2:40 PM, OftenWrong said: They are already doing that, as was shown here a little while ago that more unarmed blacks are killed by black cops than white cops, in the USA. Complete media blackout on this. Oh my! It's all about white cop on black criminal shootings by the leftist liberal media now. Black on black killings are totally ignored by the leftist liberal lying media. Anyone with an ounce of brains can see that this is all just more anti-white racism courtesy of the leftist liberal lying media with the help of the socialist democrats. Shocking. The MSM liars should never be listened to at all anymore. Those who do despise white people. The media can never get enough of whites appearing or looking like racists. It is a given. It seems like the MSM is always trying to promote racism against white people. Disgusting bunch of rats.
taxme Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: Opposing Mail-In ballots and Early Voting in the face of a Global Pandemic is most certainly voter suppression. In Canada you don't need ID, you can register for voting using something that verifies your address. Many low income people don't have Drivers Licenses. Mail in voting can be an easy way for anyone to vote without needing any proof that one is a citizen or not. It will be getting to the point here in Canada that if one is or is not a Canadian citizen they will be allowed to vote. Just get here and you can vote. And you appear to be all for this, eh? Deplorable indeed.
ironstone Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 https://amac.us/americas-25-worst-cities-are-democrat-led-the-answer-new-leaders/ https://quillette.com/2019/07/09/democrats-control-americas-most-dangerous-cities-so-why-do-they-keep-passing-the-buck-on-gun-crime/ https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-07-30-the-most-violent-cities-in-america-are-all-run-by-democrats/ Why do the Democrats escape most blame for higher crime rates in the major cities that they control? Shouldn't their policies come under scrutiny? Black on black crime will continue to be ignored and the Media will continue to distort or omit the facts. "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
taxme Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: And defunding or re-assessing the role of cops will also be defined by the elected process. I was watching a video on the internet today where in Atlanta the cops are all calling in sick. And guess what is happening? The city is now in chaos. The same old BLM usual black crowds are back out on the streets along with a few stupid token whites and committing all kinds of criminal acts. There were some shootings going on and some people were getting shot. I saw one woman take a bullet. These BLM commies are even shooting their own people. Go figure? Source: Conservative RightEdition
Moonbox Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 32 minutes ago, Argus said: That's simply not the way police are trained, nor do they have the time during the wild melee and scramble to consider such things calmly. What is that even supposed to mean? The guy was on the ground and bleeding out, and then he got a huge kick to the side. That's what the officer was trained to do? That's the argument? Yikes. The whole purpose of training is to have officers keep a cool head and be able to think under pressure. Kicking gun shot victims is not that. "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, taxme said: I was watching a video on the internet today where in Atlanta the cops are all calling in sick. And guess what is happening? The city is now in chaos. The same old BLM usual black crowds are back out on the streets along with a few stupid token whites and committing all kinds of criminal acts. There were some shootings going on and some people were getting shot. I saw one woman take a bullet. These BLM commies are even shooting their own people. Go figure? Source: Conservative RightEdition When Unions pull this crap in any other industry you'd probably say they should be fired.
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, Argus said: Violent crime isn't dropping it's been rising for four straight years. Slightly and still on a downward trend. https://criminallawoshawa.com/crime-rate-in-canada-reported-by-police-up-slightly/ Quote According to Statistics Canada, Canada’s crime rate increased for a fourth year in a row. The overall crime rate was found to have gone up by two per cent in 2018 over the previous year, however, it is still lower than the rate of crime 10 years ago. Perhaps police budgets were better 10 years ago.
Rue Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Argus said: People come here because it's a rich country. They don't have any particular preference for it otherwise. Another day another anti immigrant rant. Immigrants only come here because its "rich" no other phacking reason. You spoke to them all.
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rue said: Another day another anti immigrant rant. Immigrants only come here because its "rich" no other phacking reason. You spoke to them all. And just like Italians and Irish, today's immigrants bring their culture with them.
Rue Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 7:35 PM, Boges said: Ever watch Letterkenny? That's what I'd consider stereotypical Canadian. Hey now Letterkenny is too gay to be a stereotypical Canadian unless we are talking Toronto. I would go with Trailer Park Boys, Corner Gas, Beachcombers, (all re-runs) or Norm MacDonald.
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Rue said: Hey now Letterkenny is too gay to be a stereotypical Canadian unless we are talking Toronto. I would go with Trailer Park Boys, Corner Gas, Beachcombers, (all re-runs) or Norm MacDonald. Still get the idea.
Shady Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Moonbox said: What is that even supposed to mean? The guy was on the ground and bleeding out, and then he got a huge kick to the side. That's what the officer was trained to do? That's the argument? Yikes. The whole purpose of training is to have officers keep a cool head and be able to think under pressure. Kicking gun shot victims is not that. No there wasn't a kick, that's been debunked from what I've read.
Shady Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 53 minutes ago, Argus said: And have. Their culture has been swayed more by propaganda from the likes of FOX, though, as opposed to newcomers, and besides, it's not so much their culture as the culture of certain parts of their nation. The culture of big cities hasn't been impacted much at all. What laws would those be? Why? Because some elements of the US want to surprises voting? Do you think this compares even marginally to the political trickery in our source countries? Do you think the human rights abuses in our source countries are similar to what the Republicans want to do? Ie, torture of political prisons, rape and murder of populations which oppose the government. I don't mind the embrace until it becomes too tight. Voter suppression isn't an issue at all anymore. Besides, all major urban areas are controlled by Democrats. They set voting precincts, they set ballots, they set everything. And every major voting debacle has come with Democrats in charge. Whether it was the butterfly ballot in Florida, designed by Democrats to the faulty app used in the Iowa primary this year. Voting supression is a hoax.
taxme Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, ironstone said: https://amac.us/americas-25-worst-cities-are-democrat-led-the-answer-new-leaders/ https://quillette.com/2019/07/09/democrats-control-americas-most-dangerous-cities-so-why-do-they-keep-passing-the-buck-on-gun-crime/ https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-07-30-the-most-violent-cities-in-america-are-all-run-by-democrats/ Why do the Democrats escape most blame for higher crime rates in the major cities that they control? Shouldn't their policies come under scrutiny? Black on black crime will continue to be ignored and the Media will continue to distort or omit the facts. Pretty much all of these BLM Antifa riots and looting's going on in America today are mostly happening in democrat globalist controlled cities. Those globalist democrat governors and mayors are just sitting back and watching it all happen with no concern at all for their city or the safety of the people who just want to live peacefully. Those governors and mayors have pretty much handed over their cities to these Antifa BLM commie thugs. Matter of fact they appear to be cheering and routing it all on. Wherever there are democrat cities there will be chaos and mayhem allowed to happen. The American and Canadian medias are not out to report real honest news anymore. They are all pretty much globalist controlled corporate owned liars who will distort the news and do it every day willingly. Its all now about white on black incidents that must be reported as racism but black on black crimes will be ignored and overlooked. This is real racism at it's best. But who cares, eh whitey? It would appear as though many of you just love anyway, eh? Deplorable communist people indeed.
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