godzilla Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Posted March 23, 2020 i do find the number of infections per 1m people interesting though. if one arranges by worst on that stat: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and then compares world populations: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ then the US is sucking hard. there is no other country with anywhere near the population of the US that is doing so badly. Quote
Shady Posted March 23, 2020 Report Posted March 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, Boges said: Sure it does. If Canada sees a 1,000 increase in cases because of additional testing but only a handful of extra deaths. The mortality rate will plummet, but it's no reason to celebrate as its evidence the disease is spreading faster. Then because of the increased cases, healthcare can't keep up with the increase in patients it will then increase the mortality rate. Which is probably going to happen in New York State this week. Mortality rate is the ultimate lag indicator. Of course that doesn't play into your trolling efforts. The United States has seen an increase because of additional testing too. Regardless, half of the American cases are concentrated in New York, which is probably a good thing if it can be contained to that state. Regardless. When you die, it doesn’t really matter if it’s a lag indicator or not unfortunately. Quote
eyeball Posted March 23, 2020 Report Posted March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, OftenWrong said: That goes without saying. Well, I've also fished by trap, trawl and longline too and it's looking as if I'll likely be returning to sea to do one off these come the recovery. Us primary producers will soon be joining the front line in the war on recovering from COVID-19's economic fallout. Probably fishing toe to toe with Americans on the Fence. I'm sorry you were saying something? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted March 23, 2020 Report Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm sorry you were saying something? Zzzz. Huh? Oh I’m sorry. Ok yep sounds good. Yes it’s been made clear to us all. You catches fishes. A professional troller, yes. We all gotta do something I suppose. I just hope you’re not doing it to prove some kind of a point. At least I’ll give you credit that you believe things will somehow get back to a condition that might allow the average joe bob to scrounge for their pittance, hopefully within our lifetime. Edited March 23, 2020 by OftenWrong Quote
eyeball Posted March 23, 2020 Report Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Zzzz. Huh? Oh I’m sorry. Ok yep sounds good. Yes it’s been made clear to us all. You catches fishes. A professional troller, yes. We all gotta do something I suppose. I just hope you’re not doing it to prove some kind of a point. I'm just proving that partisanship in these times is just about the most misplaced thing someone could engage in. And yes I can also handle more than one line and emergency at a time. That said I bet you couldn't tie a bowline with one hand to save your own life. BC-2004 was a submariner so he should know what I'm talking about. Quote At least I’ll give you credit that you believe things will somehow get back to a condition that might allow the average joe bob to scrounge for their pittance, hopefully within our lifetime. Yes fishermen are also unrelenting optimists and its been well known for decades that hard times are good times for us. Just be patient and soon our good fortune will trickle down to you too. There's no reason for thinking we won't get out of this okay because the alternative is just too stupid and depressing to bother considering. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm just proving that partisanship in these times is just about the most misplaced thing someone could engage in. You have proved nothing. Many in "these times" feel it best not to change anything, carry on with our normal daily conduct and continue our work, whether it be fishing, or those of who languish and toil in nuclear facilities. So absolutely the game is still on. As you see clearly in the media, the ref did not blow the whistle. In fact, each party has already positioned themselves around the issue in such a way to assure their position is safe, provided everyone is on board. Just make one false move and see what happens. You know how that goes, skipper? Quote And yes I can also handle more than one line and emergency at a time. That said I bet you couldn't tie a bowline with one hand to save your own life. BC-2004 was a submariner so he should know what I'm talking about. He may know something about bowlines, but I doubt he knows what you're talking about. I know how to tie a lure on my fishing rod. I used to tie my dad's fishing boat on the boat dock. That should cover the gist of it, I'll wager. Quote Yes fishermen are also unrelenting optimists and its been well known for decades that hard times are good times for us. Just be patient and soon our good fortune will trickle down to you too. There's no reason for thinking we won't get out of this okay because the alternative is just too stupid and depressing to bother considering. There will be short term pain. Question is how short term. This could smack us down and we are vulnerable in this condition to sudden new and arising problems, unforeseen circumstances. I mean economically, or even militarily. We have put ourselves to sea in these uncharted waters too quickly, we are unprepared. We haven't got any ballast. Now just a tip to one side or de other, and she'll keel over. Quote
Tdot Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) On March 7, 2020 at 7:19 PM, godzilla said: seriously, with all of Trumps failings.... it appears that his man/baby fear that anything that goes wrong in the US is some kind of blemish on his reputation may be the most offensive to even his supporters. nobody is about to blame Trump for the Coronovirus. its not his fault that its happening. but it would appear that his ultra thin skin and fragile ego can't allow him to even comprehend or mentally accept that the US is on the verge of an un-contained epidemic that will kill hundreds of thousands. all he can comprehend is his usual tactic of telling people "there is no problem" or making it some kind of liberal conspiracy. except that it doesn't work in this situation. and his delay to even consider the issue because "its just the flu" is about to cost thousands of lives. Trump calls Inslee a 'snake' over criticism of coronavirus rhetoric Trump rallies his base to treat coronavirus as a ‘hoax’ IMHO I simply do not see how this has anything to do with, if Trump has ultra thin skin or a fragile ego. Dishonesty in reporting should make all stakeholders angry ---even moreso, during a national health crisis. For example, plenty of famous reputable Dems (Dr. Drew, Dr. Oz, Rep. Ilhan Omar etc) have publicly criticized the way the Dem's big media machine has politicized the USA fight against this global pandemic. I thought their news dishonesty could never again be topped, at CNN & msnbc, when it came to Ukraine quid pro quo and the House impeachment. But this, Coronavirus reporting, really has literally thrown the disease out with the trash ---as now all focus is on denouncing every move Trump makes. I think the Dems have already shown, they will do absolutely anything to get the U.S. Presidency back. Edited March 24, 2020 by Tdot Quote
Boges Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Shady said: The United States has seen an increase because of additional testing too. Regardless, half of the American cases are concentrated in New York, which is probably a good thing if it can be contained to that state. Regardless. When you die, it doesn’t really matter if it’s a lag indicator or not unfortunately. The more cases lower the perceived mortality rate... until the number of cases overwhelms the Healthcare system and you see a spike in otherwise preventable deaths due to rationing of Healthcare. Edited March 24, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 Hey, please relax ! Most of us have been forum members for a very long time and like a bar full of old patrons, we are going to continue as before, taking sides and busting each others' balls, even if we don't have any. In a strange way, that is the normalcy that no steenkin' virus can change around here. This forum is an opportunity to spout off as before with very safe "social distancing" ! So thanks to MLW too. I wish all people here and throughout Canada only the very best during this COVID-19 adventure...stay safe...and hopefully we can get back to the usual bickering about climate change, Middle East, and elections very soon. Those of us who are old enough will remember this Warner Brothers cartoon about Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog, blue collar workers who fight each other all day at work until lunch break or quitting time. 1 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
godzilla Posted March 24, 2020 Author Report Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) ‘I’m all in’: Texas Republican urges Fox News viewers to risk their lives so coronavirus closures end there's real courage for you! R politicians are volunteering the lives of the boomers! carry on! seriously, this gets back to the original thoughts of the thread. Trump seems to be flirting with this concept and ready to sell it hard. his pundits are floating it. will the boomers be on board? ready to run the gauntlet for Trumps economy? Edited March 24, 2020 by godzilla Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, godzilla said: ...seriously, this gets back to the original thoughts of the thread. Trump seems to be flirting with this concept and ready to sell it hard. his pundits are floating it. will the boomers be on board? ready to run the gauntlet for Trumps economy? Well, President Trump never really drank all of the virus Kool-Aid® to begin with, begrudgingly taking some but not all of the advice from experts around him. And at some basic level he is right....America is not built to just stop because of a pandemic. This has happened before. Trump knows that his political fortune rises and falls with the economy, so he has little to lose by rushing the net and forcing things along sooner rather than later. He will either be successful or fail miserably, living the curse of presidents and disasters past. And no tears should be shed for Trump if it all goes south for the economy with the ravages of a deep recession, because he is the president in good times or bad, and must face the same fate as those who have come before him. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I wish all people here and throughout Canada only the very best during this COVID-19 adventure...stay safe... Cheers, brother Rangers, lead the way Let's roll Quote
eyeball Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 4 hours ago, OftenWrong said: You have proved nothing. Many in "these times" feel it best not to change anything, carry on with our normal daily conduct and continue our work, whether it be fishing, or those of who languish and toil in nuclear facilities. So absolutely the game is still on. As you see clearly in the media, the ref did not blow the whistle. That isn't stopping the game from changing. From each and too each according to ability and need are becoming normal daily expectation. Whether its social distancing or distant socializing its still social because social beings are what we are above and before anything else. Quote In fact, each party has already positioned themselves around the issue in such a way to assure their position is safe, provided everyone is on board. Just make one false move and see what happens. You know how that goes, skipper? No I don't know what you're driving at. It sounds like you're talking about a boatload of competing skippers fighting over the wheel. Quote He may know something about bowlines, but I doubt he knows what you're talking about. He knows exactly what I'm talking about. Quote I know how to tie a lure on my fishing rod. I used to tie my dad's fishing boat on the boat dock. That should cover the gist of it, I'll wager. It's a start but you've got a long way to go Gilligan. Quote There will be short term pain. Question is how short term. This could smack us down and we are vulnerable in this condition to sudden new and arising problems, unforeseen circumstances. I mean economically, or even militarily. We have put ourselves to sea in these uncharted waters too quickly, we are unprepared. We haven't got any ballast. Now just a tip to one side or de other, and she'll keel over. That's why knowing how to tie a bowline with one hand to save yourself is important because your other hand may be required to handle lines others are depending on for their lives. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 5 hours ago, eyeball said: That isn't stopping the game from changing. From each and too each according to ability and need are becoming normal daily expectation. Whether its social distancing or distant socializing its still social because social beings are what we are above and before anything else. I see. Sounds like double-speak to me. Anti-social still has the word social in it, so is still a good thing. People are scared and upset and don't want to be outside near other people. The mindset now evolving is anti-socialism at the people level. Socialism at the control level. The Greta Thunbergs of the world are rubbing their little squeaky-clean hands together, I'll wager. Quote
Boges Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Well, President Trump never really drank all of the virus Kool-Aid® to begin with, begrudgingly taking some but not all of the advice from experts around him. And at some basic level he is right....America is not built to just stop because of a pandemic. This has happened before. Trump knows that his political fortune rises and falls with the economy, so he has little to lose by rushing the net and forcing things along sooner rather than later. He will either be successful or fail miserably, living the curse of presidents and disasters past. And no tears should be shed for Trump if it all goes south for the economy with the ravages of a deep recession, because he is the president in good times or bad, and must face the same fate as those who have come before him. Except it's his base, the 60-plus Fox News viewer that stand to die most from his reckless proposal. You know the next shoe to drop is him firing Dr. Fauci for openly mocking his mis-information in the press. Fauci wasn't at yesterday's press briefing. I wonder why? Probably because Trump was going to say that in 8 days it'll be business as usual in Murika. For what? just to keep the Dow above 20,000? Quote
Boges Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) Wow the US couldn't even do Social Distancing for a week. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/coronavirus-texas-social-distancing-guidelines/index.html I'm glad the border is closed. Edited March 24, 2020 by Boges Quote
Shady Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Boges said: Except it's his base, the 60-plus Fox News viewer that stand to die most from his reckless proposal. You know the next shoe to drop is him firing Dr. Fauci for openly mocking his mis-information in the press. Fauci wasn't at yesterday's press briefing. I wonder why? Probably because Trump was going to say that in 8 days it'll be business as usual in Murika. For what? just to keep the Dow above 20,000? Fauci was at the task force meeting that was taking place at the same time as the press conference. Stop with the national enquirer type gossip. Quote
Shady Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Boges said: Wow the US couldn't even do Social Distancing for a week. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/coronavirus-texas-social-distancing-guidelines/index.html I'm glad the border is closed. You’re cherrypicking one opinion of two opinions that were featured in a show last night. The other opinion was the exact opposite. Quote
Boges Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: You’re cherrypicking one opinion of two opinions that were featured in a show last night. The other opinion was the exact opposite. Not that of Trump. Quote
Shady Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, Boges said: Not that of Trump. I guess we’ll see. Quote
Boges Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 When you consider the breakdown of cases per state. It's hard to believe that New York is that much worse than other states. There has to be a testing discrepancy. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html New York is half the cases. There's no way California just has 1,500 cases. Quote
Shady Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: When you consider the breakdown of cases per state. It's hard to believe that New York is that much worse than other states. There has to be a testing discrepancy. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html New York is half the cases. There's no way California just has 1,500 cases. You’re probably right, but California is no where near the problem of New York. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Boges said: Except it's his base, the 60-plus Fox News viewer that stand to die most from his reckless proposal. Trump's base is much larger than that. Quote You know the next shoe to drop is him firing Dr. Fauci for openly mocking his mis-information in the press. Fauci wasn't at yesterday's press briefing. I wonder why? Probably because Trump was going to say that in 8 days it'll be business as usual in Murika. For what? just to keep the Dow above 20,000? I am watching Dr. Fauci stand behind President Trump right now on American news networks (daily briefing). Canadians are watching too, of course. Maybe Trump will fire him now ! Edited March 24, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted March 24, 2020 Report Posted March 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's base is much larger than that. I am watching Dr. Fauci stand behind President Trump right now on American news networks (daily briefing). Canadians are watching too, of course. Maybe Trump will fire him now ! Yep, more fake news from Boges. He uses a shot gun approach to his anti-Trump tirades, when something a little more selective is required. But Trump Derangement Syndrome is a terrible thing, and they often can’t help themselves. Quote
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