Shady Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, godzilla said: yep, blame someone else for not being able to do your job. that works! its clear that while this was playing out Trumps administration did absolutely nothing and indeed was downplaying any concerns simply to appease Trumps fear of the matter. That’s just not true. Trump banned travel from China in January. He acted much sooner than Turdeau did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, Shady said: That’s just not true. Trump banned travel from China in January. He acted much sooner than Turdeau did. great! he did one thing right... didn't help much but whatever. and doesn't make him capable. comparisons with other countries responses is more of that "whataboutism". doesn't really change the incapable response of the Trump admin for US citizens at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, godzilla said: great! he did one thing right... didn't help much but whatever. and doesn't make him capable. comparisons with other countries responses is more of that "whataboutism". doesn't really change the incapable response of the Trump admin for US citizens at the moment. Sure it does...the U.S. has a lower mortality rate than Canada as of yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 52 minutes ago, godzilla said: great! he did one thing right... didn't help much but whatever. and doesn't make him capable. comparisons with other countries responses is more of that "whataboutism". doesn't really change the incapable response of the Trump admin for US citizens at the moment. He’s done more than Trudeau. And faster. Deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Meanwhile, Democrats... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 32 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Sure it does...the U.S. has a lower mortality rate than Canada as of yesterday. Sad that people will give Trudeau a pass for failing to take obvious precautions for months, even when their fellow Canadians are killed by it, yet they still bellow generic, unspecified criticisms of Trump, which aren't nearly as serious. "Yeah Trudeau killed some of us, but I still hate Trump's far superior handling of the crisis way more!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 hours ago, eyeball said: As a professional commercial troller I'm... That goes without saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Trump is getting extremely fearful of the economic impact... this should get really interesting. its not like he is really a wartime president. people are not volunteering to go fight an enemy. there could be waves of disease over the next year. what Trump and other governments that have not been able to get a grip on the situation, including Canada, will be asking is that the old and weak volunteer... to die for the economy. i'm not sure any politician will be able to safely navigate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Shady said: Meanwhile, Democrats... why not create a new thread to discuss specific aspects of the common proposals featured in any "green new deal"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Sure it does...the U.S. has a lower mortality rate than Canada as of yesterday. Cite https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 500 something US Deaths to Canada's 20 something. That's more than twice as much if you consider a 10:1 population difference. AKA Per Capita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Cite https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 500 something US Deaths to Canada's 20 something. That's more than twice as much if you consider a 10:1 population difference. AKA Per Capita. Wrong...mortality rate is measured based on confirmed cases. Why is Canada higher mortality than Trump's evil USA ? Does this make you..."sad" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Wrong...mortality rate is measured based on confirmed cases. Why is Canada higher mortality than Trump's evil USA ? Does this make you..."sad" ? Ohhhhh so because the US has waaaaaaaay more cases, now 3rd overall (only to China and Italy) and Canada still has less than 2,000 you can spike the football because only 500 have died. I'll give you that for creativity if nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Wrong...mortality rate is measured based on confirmed cases. Why is Canada higher mortality than Trump's evil USA ? Does this make you..."sad" ? whats your math? US: 512/42163 ~ 0.121 Canada: 23/2035 ~ 0.113 why would mortality rate currently be any different? i don't suspect they are going to be different in the long run. when did this become a Canada vs US thread? we're both doing shitty compared to Japan. but its currently exploding in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: Ohhhhh so because the US has waaaaaaaay more cases, now 3rd overall (only to China and Italy) and Canada still has less than 2,000 you can spike the football because only 500 have died. I'll give you that for creativity if nothing. I love it...really bugs you that as of yesterday, Canada had a higher COVID-19 mortality rate. Oh dear....Trump is beating us ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, godzilla said: whats your math? US: 512/42163 ~ 0.121 Canada: 23/2035 ~ 0.113 why would mortality rate currently be any different? i don't suspect they are going to be different in the long run. when did this become a Canada vs US thread? we're both doing shitty compared to Japan. but its currently exploding in the US. The day isn't done yet ! Wanna play games with math ? Then lets play games ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I love it...really bugs you that as of yesterday, Canada had a higher COVID-19 mortality rate. Oh dear....Trump is beating us ! By the one metric you choose. And using that metric, the difference is negligible. But considering total deaths and cases per capita US has more than twice as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: The day isn't done yet ! Wanna play games with math ? Then lets play games ! i'm not playing games with math... it is what it is. i don't suspect that its going to change much because once you have it, then without treatments then you are either dead or not dead. it really plays more into the overall health of a population and not the degree of care they are getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, godzilla said: whats your math? US: 512/42163 ~ 0.121 Canada: 23/2035 ~ 0.113 why would mortality rate currently be any different? i don't suspect they are going to be different in the long run. when did this become a Canada vs US thread? we're both doing shitty compared to Japan. but its currently exploding in the US. Because we don't have sports anymore. Tracking deaths and cases is the new sports. Crazy but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boges said: By the one metric you choose. And using that metric, the difference is negligible. But considering total deaths and cases per capita US has more than twice as much. It's a metric used by WHO and around the world. ...and universal health care is supposed to be so much better....like in Italy ! Edited March 23, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It's a metric used by WHO and around the world. ...and universal health care is supposed to be so much better....like in Italy ! It's working in Canada. Far fewer cases, far fewer deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It's a metric used by WHO and around the world. ...and universal health care is supposed to be so much better....like in Italy ! universal health care may have no effect with something where there is no treatment. although we may see some social disruption if/when private hospitals and doctors start to refuse patients. or the well off start to get special treatment... etc. its ridiculous to identify this as a topic so early and you know it... the wave is about to hit. lets watch then. Edited March 23, 2020 by godzilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boges said: It's working in Canada. Far fewer cases, far fewer deaths. Mortality rate does not lie....higher in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Mortality rate does not lie....higher in Canada. Sure it does. If Canada sees a 1,000 increase in cases because of additional testing but only a handful of extra deaths. The mortality rate will plummet, but it's no reason to celebrate as its evidence the disease is spreading faster. Then because of the increased cases, healthcare can't keep up with the increase in patients it will then increase the mortality rate. Which is probably going to happen in New York State this week. Mortality rate is the ultimate lag indicator. Of course that doesn't play into your trolling efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 The number of new cases is the key metric here, and it shows what was happening 2 weeks ago when Trump was telling everyone that it was all Democrat hype: the virus was spreading rapidly in the community. Trump saying the worst thing he possibly could have said at that time will now likely cost thousands of lives. Good time to remember how we already knew he was unfit and they even had the chance to get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Mortality rate is the ultimate lag indicator. So just relax and enjoy the lag...math is your friend ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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