Donald Trump vs Joe Biden

[August1991]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Joe Biden has wanted to be president for a very long time.   Failed twice before.

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First, to me, Biden was the guy who copied the speech of Neil Kinnock.

In addition, Biden was the guy who "hair plug" specialists discussed as an example of "who did him?".

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I understand that some Americans are ambitious, they want to "make President" - in 1960s vernacular.

But fergawdsakes, even Peter Tork/Madonna - heck, even Donald Trump - had some talent.

Biden, only ambition.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, August1991 said:

I understand that some Americans are ambitious, they want to "make President" - in 1960s vernacular.

But fergawdsakes, even Peter Tork/Madonna - heck, even Donald Trump - had some talent.

Biden, only ambition.

 

 

I don't blame them for their ambition....it is one of the few things not yet ravaged by old age.

It's a byproduct of American political legacy, seen most recently in the likes of Senator Bob Dole and John McCain.

Even Hillary Clinton felt she was owed her shot after paying her dues.

....and then comes along the likes of Donald Trump, who paid nothing before,  to smash all their dreams and ambition.

[August1991]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

....and then comes along the likes of Donald Trump, who paid nothing before,  to smash all their dreams and ambition.

Make no mistake: Trump has talent.

Biden is simply tall, and Catholic.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

Make no mistake: Trump has talent.

Biden is simply tall, and Catholic.

 

Oh sure....we know Trump...since the late 1970's...better known than even the Clintons.

A real estate huckster and carnival barker from Queens NY.

His biggest talent has been to entertain us....all these years.   Knows media magic better than even Reagan did.

[August1991]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

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His biggest talent has been to entertain us....all these years.   Knows media magic better than even Reagan did.

Trump, like Obama, has a talent to be a politician.

Jeb! did not.

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I suspect that Sanders' failure in South Carolina was that he's Jewish, and black Americans are reticent to vote for a Jewish politician.

In Democratic primaries, depending on state, black Americans predominate. South Carolina was an example. They chose Biden because of Obama.

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As I have often argued, the measure of a civilized State is when members of the minority choose a majority candidate when freely offered a candidate of their minority.

In 2008, about 95% of black Americans voted Democrat, for Obama.

IMHO, America's future rests on why those 5% of black Americans voted otherwise. Maybe it is because they did not see themselves as "black Americans".

 

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, August1991 said:

...IMHO, America's future rests on why those 5% of black Americans voted otherwise. Maybe it is because they did not see themselves as "black Americans".

 

 

Well, it's been said that black Americans will not truly be free until that is the case.

The Democratic Party use to be the party of slavery and segregation....that gave birth to Lee Atwater's "southern strategy" from George Wallace land.

Joe Biden will not win many of the southern states he dominated in Democratic primaries.

...the general election is a far bigger game for all the marbles.

 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 3/6/2020 at 5:02 PM, Argus said:

Give them time. Remember the fixation on Beto? And mayor Petey?

Beto and Pete are not in the same ballpark. Pete isn’t dumb by any stretch, well able to give ten completely different answers, perfectly pitched, to any question. He can do Clinton, Obama, you name it. The problem for him is that the US happens to be in a place where such smooth eloquence is distrusted as we were after Trudeau and Mulroney. In Canada, that turned out to be the perfect moment for Jean Chrétien to slightly uncrumple himself and start making barely intelligible noises. Now JC was a shrewd operator, far more so than Biden, and closer to what we want in Canada from a leader, but this election is about Trump, if Joe can avoid punching a member of the public, and his extraordinary record of destroying norms on rule of law, race relations, corruption, foreign policy and damn near everything else. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

50 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Make no mistake: Trump has talent.

Biden is simply tall, and Catholic.

What does that even mean? What year are you dialling In from? 

[SpankyMcFarland]

46 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Trump, like Obama, has a talent to be a politician.

Jeb! did not.

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I suspect that Sanders' failure in South Carolina was that he's Jewish, and black Americans are reticent to vote for a Jewish politician.

Biden aside, Sanders did poorly with older African Americans partly because they distrusted his agenda of radical change, and he’s not exactly a politician who goes on about being Jewish as the most strident critic of Netanyahu in the entire field. Actually, I’m struck by how many of his spokespeople have Hindu or Muslim names. He was the most secular candidate bar none from day one. 

Edited March 11, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 3/9/2020 at 7:29 PM, WestCanMan said:

Biden hasn't faced any adversity yet in this campaign cycle. He's going to fold like a cheap tent when he has to answer for all of Hunter's ill-gotten gains.

Dems couldn't touch on the topic of Hunter because if they go after Joe on that topic, they're acknowledging Trump was right when he sought to get an investigation started. 

Trump can talk about Hunetr all day. Hunter Biden's millions in gifted job appointments/business deals will sink Joe's battleship, if he even makes it to the fall. He's clearly losing his marbles.

I sincerely hope this is satire. Biden, if he wins, will face one Donald J. Trump. When it comes to ill-gotten gains, there is zero contest there. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Of the three contenders left, Sanders is the only one with a coherent, serious political philosophy, one that he has pursued his entire life and one that I happen to disagree with on many points. Biden is a dreadful candidate but he’s where I am on the political spectrum. He represents a return to the past, never an appetizing prospect. Trump just wants to keep the con going - apart from a few casual prejudices about black people and some silly ideas about trade deficits, his main interest in keeping the job is to get richer and stay out of jail. Having lucked into the winning cause of white ethno-nationalism at a very late stage in life, he will now run with it as long as he can. Voters will have to decide if the price of keeping him on for the laughs is too high. 

[bush_cheney2004]

6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Of the three contenders left, Sanders is the only one with a coherent, serious political philosophy, one that he has pursued his entire life and one that I happen to disagree with on many points. Biden is a dreadful candidate but he’s where I am on the political spectrum. He represents a return to the past, never an appetizing prospect. Trump just wants to keep the con going - apart from a few casual prejudices about black people and some silly ideas about trade deficits,

 

It was Joe Biden who directly supported the 1994 Crime Bill that led to hundreds of thousands of "black people" (and others) being imprisoned for long terms, and welfare reform to stop "black" welfare queens, not Trump, who had never held public office.

 

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It was a moment that may come back to haunt Joe Biden—perhaps as soon as tonight’s Democratic debate: In an earlier round this summer, Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey wheeled on the former vice president, attacking his sponsorship of the 1994 federal crime bill with a roundhouse punch. “There are people right now in prison for life for drug offenses,” Booker said, “because you stood up and used that tough-on-crime phony rhetoric that got a lot of people elected but destroyed communities like mine.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/09/joe-biden-crime-bill-and-americans-short-memory/597547/

 

[Argus]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Beto and Pete are not in the same ballpark. Pete isn’t dumb by any stretch, well able to give ten completely different answers, perfectly pitched, to any question. He can do Clinton, Obama, you name it. The problem for him is that the US happens to be in a place where such smooth eloquence is distrusted

I agree that smooth eloquence is simply taken to be your standard bullshitting politician. People want leaders who seem real. But that wasn't his only problem. The guy is 37 and his only experience is a couple of terms as mayor of a small city in the midwest. A lot of people thought going from deciding where to put a streetlight to controlling the world's most powerful military and dealing with the likes of Putin and Shi was just too much of a stretch. Not to mention the whole gay thing would have cost too many votes in an important election.

 

 

Edited March 11, 2020 by Argus

[Argus]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It was Joe Biden who directly supported the 1994 Crime Bill that led to hundreds of thousands of "black people" (and others) being imprisoned for long terms, and welfare reform to stop "black" welfare queens, not Trump, who had never held public office.

Given the crime rate everyone was clamoring for stiff sentences, including the congressional black caucus.

Trump's fight against welfare queens was his refusal to rent any apartments to black people. When he was sued by the government he promised to change, didn't, and was sued again by the government. After that he sold all those apartments so he didn't have to deal with black people or anyone poor or middle class, and all his developments after that were aimed at the wealthy.

Edited March 11, 2020 by Argus

[bush_cheney2004]

34 minutes ago, Argus said:

Given the crime rate everyone was clamoring for stiff sentences, including the congressional black caucus.

Trump's fight against welfare queens was his refusal to rent any apartments to black people.

 

Back then, Trump did not/could not impose his "policies" through federal legislation, impacting millions.

Big difference.....

[Boges]

As noted in the other thread, State-specific polling has Trump losing to Biden everywhere that matters except Wisconsin. 

I suspect the people who stayed home, uninspired by Hillary, will show up here. 

[WestCanMan]

On 3/10/2020 at 10:44 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I sincerely hope this is satire. Biden, if he wins, will face one Donald J. Trump. When it comes to ill-gotten gains, there is zero contest there. 

Biden used the US gov't as leverage to get his kid lucrative jobs and contracts that he would have had absolutely no chance of getting otherwise. Hunter Biden admitted as much on video, and I can post the link to the video if you want. Honestly, seeing as you're chiming in here, you should already know this, but in any event, this is all true. What do you have to compare to that?

Biden is unable to speak publicly now because he's losing his marbles, he can't stand for the 2 hr debate so they need to sit through it, the guy's a total disaster. If you elect Joe you know for certain that the VP will be running the show 1 or 2 years in.

[Michael Hardner]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Biden used the US gov't as leverage to get his kid lucrative jobs and contracts that he would have had absolutely no chance of getting otherwise. v

I stopped reading RIGHT THERE because Trump would never do this... 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 If you elect Joe you know for certain that the VP will be running the show 1 or 2 years in.

I can't think of a better reason to vote for him.  And I don't even know who that is going to be.

 

[Shady]

23 hours ago, Boges said:

As noted in the other thread, State-specific polling has Trump losing to Biden everywhere that matters except Wisconsin.  

State-specific polling showed the same thing in 2016.

[Shady]

Biden's campaign is hiding him.  He won't do speeches for anymore than a few minutes.  They want to have Sunday's debate cancelled, and they're not having him take questions from the media.  His latest gaffe was calling a union member full of shit.  I can only imagine if Trump had done that.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

Biden's campaign is hiding him.  He won't do speeches for anymore than a few minutes.  They want to have Sunday's debate cancelled, and they're not having him take questions from the media.  His latest gaffe was calling a union member full of shit.  I can only imagine if Trump had done that.

Yes, that's true.  The debate is likely to be cringeworthy.

That said, he's still the far better choice when it comes to him vs either Sanders or Trump, so I hope his VP pick is a good one. 

I'm rooting for Kamala!

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I stopped reading RIGHT THERE because Trump would never do this... 

Michael Hardner - I don't know why I should have to tell you this, but that's not how it works.

You don't get to accuse person A of having the intention of doing something, and then act like it carries as much weight as the fact that person B has already been caught red-handed doing that exact thing. 

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I stopped reading right there because Michael Hardner would never do what Paul Bernardo did.... 

Do you now see how a person could do your thing there to anyone about anything, and it's completely nonsensical and a total waste of bandwidth?

 

FYI Biden is known to be guilty of something that was extremely unethical, most likely illegal. He has admitted to it, and so has his kid. Until there's at least a credible accusation that another person has done the same thing, you can't just act like other people are just as guilty as Joe Biden just because Michael Hardner thinks that they might do the same thing in the future. That's not how guilt is assigned - it's a sandbox debate strategy.

[WestCanMan]

45 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I can't think of a better reason to vote for him.  And I don't even know who that is going to be.

I see the humour in that, but his VP will come from the pool of [Klobichar, Beto, Yang, Booker, Harris, etc] which is basically the shallow end of the gene pool. 

Jan 2022 newsflash: "The Vice-President was seen licking the windows of the Whitehouse again today, just hours before she is set to assume the role of President, on account of Joe Biden's hair-sniffing rampage at a local elementary school which left even Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby shaken."

[betsy]

On 3/9/2020 at 5:59 PM, WestCanMan said:

Biden hasn't faced any adversity yet in this campaign cycle. He's going to fold like a cheap tent when he has to answer for all of Hunter's ill-gotten gains.

Dems couldn't touch on the topic of Hunter because if they go after Joe on that topic, they're acknowledging Trump was right when he sought to get an investigation started. 

Trump can talk about Hunetr all day. Hunter Biden's millions in gifted job appointments/business deals will sink Joe's battleship, if he even makes it to the fall. He's clearly losing his marbles.

Hahahaha  Biden won't be able to use the IMPEACHMENT attack against Trump in his campaign!