What Do You Dislike the Most About the Liberals?

[bush_cheney2004]

55 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Climate change will happen with or without Canada, unfortunately.  We are a country of 35 million out of 7 billion on the planet.  We'd be better to pester the US to do more.

 

The U.S. has already done more than Canada.

[Queenmandy85]

They can build more nuclear power plants and export the surplus electricity. Canada has the potential to export nuclear plants and fuel around the world to get the planet to transition away from burning fossil fuels. It would bring untold wealth to all of Canada and western Canada in particular. We can then perfect thorium reactors to replace urainium plants and export them.

We may be 35 million but a smaller country than that built the greatest empire the world has ever known. 

Edited November 23, 2019 by Queenmandy85

[Moonlight Graham]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The U.S. has already done more than Canada.

Congrats?

[Moonlight Graham]

56 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I agree with what you're saying, but even if that miracle occurred, it would not reduce the world's output by 0.5%.  Most of the shortfall would be made up by a slight increase in production elsewhere.  It illustrates the fantasy that we can deal with climate change without true worldwide cooperation.  Cooperation that shows absolutely no sign of being achieved.

Technology and the private  market got us into this mess, and it's going to get us out of it too.  By 2050 the tech we'll have will be amazing.  By 2100 it will be unfathomable to the human imagination.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Technology and the private  market got us into this mess, and it's going to get us out of it too.  By 2050 the tech we'll have will be amazing.  By 2100 it will be unfathomable to the human imagination.

Yes, I think it will.  Be unfathomable, I mean.  I don't know if it's going to come along in time to solve the problem.  Of course, the problem isn't a binary so it might solve some parts of it, but not others.

 

[Dougie93]

19 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

They can build more nuclear power plants and export the surplus electricity. Canada has the potential to export nuclear plants and fuel around the world to get the planet to transition away from burning fossil fuels. It would bring untold wealth to all of Canada and western Canada in particular. We can then perfect thorium reactors to replace urainium plants and export them.

We may be 35 million but a smaller country than that built the greatest empire the world has ever known. 

Except Canadians have no ambition, you can't possibly believe that Canada will lead the world in anything.

There was a time when Canada was the Hockey Superpower, but if you look it in the face, you will see that even that is no longer the case.

Not trying to rub it in, but there is no sanctuary in living a lie, the truth shall set you free.

[Cannucklehead]

30 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The U.S. has already done more than Canada.

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/10296/economics/top-co2-polluters-highest-per-capita/

 

The biggest absolute emissions come from China and the United States. In terms of CO2 emissions per capita, China is ranked only ranked 47th, at 7.5 metric tonnes per capita. The US is ranked 11th at 16.5 per capita and amongst countries with sizeable populations, has the highest CO2 emissions per capita. India is the third highest country in terms of absolute emissions, but only 158th in terms of per capita output with 1.7 metric tonnes per capita.

 

Have they?

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Have they?

 

Yes....because being a large net GHG emitter means that the improved U.S. reductions compared to Canada are even better.

This is where you tell me that Canada is a large, very cold country that needs to "pollute" more than other nations per-capita.....it is a Charter Right to buy Ford F-series pickup trucks more than any other vehicle.

Edited November 23, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[August1991]

There's your tell, Argus.

Political correctness.

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Except Canadians have no ambition, you can't possibly believe that Canada will lead the world in anything.

There was a time when Canada was the Hockey Superpower, but if you look it in the face, you will see that even that is no longer the case.

Not trying to rub it in, but there is no sanctuary in living a lie, the truth shall set you free.

Well, Ireland or New Zealand don't lead the world in much of anything useful.  With 35 million out of 7 billion people, sometimes it's ok to mostly just have a good life better than most while inventing the occasional Canadarm and winning our share of Olympic golds. We shouldn't compare ourselves to the achievements of the USA (or Roman Empire) nor should we seek their approval or attention.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Well, Ireland or New Zealand don't lead the world in much of anything useful.  With 35 million out of 7 billion people, sometimes it's ok to mostly just have a good life better than most while inventing the occasional Canadarm and winning our share of Olympic golds. We shouldn't compare ourselves to the achievements of the USA (or Roman Empire) nor should we seek their approval or attention.

I don't disagree, there's no point in Canada trying to be a Hegemon, but there are many deluded people in Canada who none the less desire it.

There is a set of Canadians who, in their insecurity about America,  feel like Canada needs to be a mini-America of some sort, but this is indeed misguided.

[Yzermandius19]

11 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Well, Ireland or New Zealand don't lead the world in much of anything useful.  With 35 million out of 7 billion people, sometimes it's ok to mostly just have a good life better than most while inventing the occasional Canadarm and winning our share of Olympic golds. We shouldn't compare ourselves to the achievements of the USA (or Roman Empire) nor should we seek their approval or attention.

Without America's approval, that good life you talk about wouldn't be a thing. Canada's good life is the result of Canada dining out on America's gravy train. Canada's good life has always been about dining out on the gravy train of a hegemon, first the British, then the Americans. No hegemon, no good life for Canada.

My advice, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Canada will never be a hegemon, and it shouldn't try to be one, it is de facto colony of the hegemon, and it should try to be the best colony it can be, trying to put a square peg in a round hole is a fool's errand.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't disagree, there's no point in Canada trying to be a Hegemon, but there are many deluded people in Canada who none the less desire it.

There is a set of Canadians who, in their insecurity about America,  feel like Canada needs to be a mini-America of some sort, but this is indeed misguided.

 

That's because at one time in the past, Canada was part of the evil global hegemon (British Empire), which fell on hard times, only to go begging to the mongrel American bastards.  ("Damn Americans...I hate those bastards".)  

The Liberals (aka "natural ruling party of Canada") have danced to the love-hate music ever since, trying to balance the tension and overt dependencies.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That's because at one time in the past, Canada was part of the evil global hegemon (British Empire), which fell on hard times, only to go begging to the mongrel American bastards.  ("Damn Americans...I hate those bastards".)  

The Liberals (aka "natural ruling party of Canada") have danced to the love-hate music ever since, trying to balance the tension and overt dependencies.

Indeed, Canada is imbued with the conceit of its British Imperial heritage, yet can't actually back it up with anything substantial.

[Yzermandius19]

Canada going it alone without the hegemon is doomed to failure, and Canada trying be the hegemon is doomed to failure. The sweet spot is being the best colony of the hegemon, and the best way to do that is to stop putting up barriers preventing it from fully exploiting the gravy train of the hegemon.

Stop trying to Keep The Americans Out, start embracing Letting The Americans In.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Moonlight Graham]

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

There is a set of Canadians who, in their insecurity about America,  feel like Canada needs to be a mini-America of some sort, but this is indeed misguided

Yonge and Dundas Square was modeled after Times Square.  Toronto has a bit of NYC envy.  So ya, you're right.  Construct your own culture i say.

[Dougie93]

This is Canada in a nutshell tho, it's still the British Empire in culture.

This is why Canadians are so smug and sneering and snobby, Canada's culture has been handed down through the generations from the Victorian era/

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yonge and Dundas Square was modeled after Times Square.  Toronto has a bit of NYC envy.  So ya, you're right.  Construct your own culture i say.

Yes, and it's too bad, because Toronto was a really nice place back in the day.

Glenn Gould's Toronto the Good was unique, it was better than New York, but now they've gone and ruined it trying to be a mini-NYC

[Dougie93]

New York City itself has also been ruined, it's been completely gentrified and taken over by the mono culture, New York is just as boring as Toronto is now.

[Moonlight Graham]

I don't find Toronto boring.  Though I didn't grow up there or anything.

Vancouver, however, has been completely gentrified and its culture annihilated, replaced by condos, dim sum, and the homeless that can't afford either.  This entire album is about the Vancouver's decay:

 

[Dougie93]

I was born in Vancouver and grew up in Toronto and I have no interest in either anymore, but I'm also getting old, I like it out in the country now, cities are for the young.

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

This is Canada in a nutshell tho, it's still the British Empire in culture.

This is why Canadians are so smug and sneering and snobby, Canada's culture has been handed down through the generations from the Victorian era/

It is why they eat up the multicultural nonsense as eagerly as they do, it plays into their smug sneering snob impulse to virtue signal about putting every culture that isn't British on a pedestal, so they can look down their noses with a false sense of superiority at those who don't. Brilliant propaganda tailor made for priggish Canadians to gobble up in order to fill the vacuum created by erasing Canadian history.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

23 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

It is why they eat up the multicultural nonsense as eagerly as they do, it plays into their smug sneering snob impulse to virtue signal about putting every culture that isn't British on a pedestal, so they can look down their noses with a false sense of superiority at those who don't. Brilliant propaganda tailor made for priggish Canadians to gobble up in order to fill the vacuum created by erasing Canadian history.

The Victorian Missionary Impulse runs deep in Canada, virtue signalling is not actually new, it's what the Victorians did, that was their thing.

The left is puritanical, it's the Temperance Leagues all over again,  backwards to the future.

The Victorians had a cancel culture too.   The new puritanism is a rehashing of the 19th century

they just don't mention the Bible anymore, it's ostensibly secular, though obviously Christian in origin.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

Just today, the weak-ass Liberals begged Donald Trump to save the World Trade Organization from collapse.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-urges-u-s-to-save-wto-from-chaos-1.5369843

 

Edited November 23, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Just today, the weak-ass Liberals begged Donald Trump to save the World Trade Organization from collapse.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-urges-u-s-to-save-wto-from-chaos-1.5369843

 

America doesn't need it anymore, it's become a burden not a boon.