What Do You Dislike the Most About the Liberals?

[Michael Hardner]

21 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

 I have a problem with drag attire. I feel like i'm going to puke.

Ok, so your desire for "perpetrators [to] be criminally prosecuted" is driven by your personal feelings then ?  It seems so.

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, so your desire for "perpetrators [to] be criminally prosecuted" is driven by your personal feelings then ?  It seems so.

Yah.... Parents who teach their sons and daughters, that they're can be any gender they want, I consider child abuse.

[Queenmandy85]

Most trans people don't realize what the problem is until they nearly or past 20. It is not a choice. Would you choose to get a royal shit kicking everyday? Often the first remedy chosen by someone with gender dysphoria is suicide.

Transition is a big step. Before re-assignment surgery, (in Canada) you need to be an adult and are required live a full year as the gender you will be transitioning to under the supervision of a psychiatrist. Finally, you go to Montreal to the Menard Clinic. I don't know what the cost is now but it was about $30,000 for basic male to female transition. Female to male was about $40,000. So, you arrive at the clinic where you spend a month for assessment where you are given time to ensure it is what you really want. Finally, the surguery is painful and you take a month to recover. Children do not undergo Sex reassignment surgery in Canada. Anyone going through that experience is doing so out of neccessity, not some whim.

Menard is not the only clinic providing this care but it is the one I am familiar with. The others follow the same protocals. If you are a member of the Canadian Forces, the costs are covered by DND.

[Guest ProudConservative]

44 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Most trans people don't realize what the problem is until they nearly or past 20. It is not a choice. Would you choose to get a royal shit kicking everyday? Often the first remedy chosen by someone with gender dysphoria is suicide.

Transition is a big step. Before re-assignment surgery, (in Canada) you need to be an adult and are required live a full year as the gender you will be transitioning to under the supervision of a psychiatrist. Finally, you go to Montreal to the Menard Clinic. I don't know what the cost is now but it was about $30,000 for basic male to female transition. Female to male was about $40,000. So, you arrive at the clinic where you spend a month for assessment where you are given time to ensure it is what you really want. Finally, the surguery is painful and you take a month to recover. Children do not undergo Sex reassignment surgery in Canada. Anyone going through that experience is doing so out of neccessity, not some whim.

Menard is not the only clinic providing this care but it is the one I am familiar with. The others follow the same protocals. If you are a member of the Canadian Forces, the costs are covered by DND.

We didn't have a Trans crisis in the 90's.... The Trans epidemic happened, when the radical-left made transgenderism seem like a badge of honor, instead of a mental illness.

In the 90's we use to have discriminatioin, and it ended up going more good than harm.... because it blocked stupid ideas from gaining traction.

I went to a highschool with over 2000 student, and not one person was Transgender. That's the way it use to be. I don't even remember one person comming out as gay.

In another high school.... A male student wanted to bring another male to prom, and a teacher reported him to the super intendant. The student tried to sue, but they said it the school can't expose other students to homosexuality. The student wasn't able to pursue with the lawsuit.

We need to get back to common sence discrimination, because it's a deterance against bad ideas.

When Brokeback mountain was released in 2005, a lot of Canadians wanted to get it banned from the movie theater. It wasn't too long ago when Canada use to be a place we could be proud off. We did what was best for our society. We didn't bow down to political correctness.

Edited November 23, 2019 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

All to the good in the end, the left is going to hoist themselves on this petard.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

 In the 90's we use to have discriminatioin, and it ended up going more good than harm.... because it blocked stupid ideas from gaining traction.

We need to get back to common sence discrimination, because it's a deterance against bad ideas.

Your take on this seems to be about restricting rights about ideas you're uncomfortable with.  If you want to convince people that your ideas have value, you'll have to do better than that.   

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

In the 90's we use to have discriminatioin, and it ended up going more good than harm.... because it blocked stupid ideas from gaining traction.

You still haven't said what is wrong with an adult suffering from gender dysphoria. If a person over the age of majority transitions from one gender to another, why is it any of your business? In my experience, it is rare for a parent to advocate it unless it is what the individual needs.

You have not indicated your experience in these matters.

1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

I went to a highschool with over 2000 student, and not one person was Transgender. That's the way it use to be. I don't even remember one person comming out as gay.

 

That is because they did not want to be assaulted. Sexual reassignment surgery has only recently been available. Just because you didn't know they were gay or trans (not the same thing, by the way) doesn't mean they were not there.

Back to the OP:

My issue with the Liberal Party is a sense of righteousness within the PMO. However, they did manage to renew NAFTA and they are giving Albertans their pipeline so they are not all bad.

[Argus]

23 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Is it working? 

Of course! Almost 17 of 195 countries are working hard at reaching their goals! Most won't make them, though...

[Argus]

19 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yonge and Dundas Square was modeled after Times Square.  Toronto has a bit of NYC envy.  So ya, you're right.  Construct your own culture i say.

NYC is a shithole compared to Singapore. Toronto was imitating the wrong city.

[Argus]

11 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

But, as a Conservative, you believe in freedom of choice so you would support cross dressing. Fashion is an individual choice. 

Being transgender has nothing to do with politics.

It has do to with politics when you're demanding the government order everyone to respect the idiotic notions of emotionally unstable people that they're members of the opposite gender. I don't really care if you want to wear a dress. But don't tell me you should have the 'right' to go into womens change rooms no matter what they say, or that if arrested you should go to female prisons, or that you should be allowed to compete with women in sports events. You are not a woman. If you want to be one cut off your dick for starters. Gender fluidity is a bullshit concept not supported by any evidence or science.

Edited November 24, 2019 by Argus

[Argus]

10 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Most parents of trans teenagers resist their kids, sometimes violently. You need to learn more about the issue. Get to know people in the LGBT community and then make your judgement.

Does that include watching them undress, and letting them watch you undress? And what about the privacy rights of women? I guess that doesn't matter, huh?

Julia Burca, a high school girl who was interviewed on camera following the decision, fought back tears. “I feel very uncomfortable,” she said, noting that she is on the swim team and gets completely naked in the locker room several times a day. “I understand that the board has an obligation to all students, but I was hoping they would go about it in a different way that would accommodate students such as myself.”

https://www.womenarehuman.com/man-may-win-lawsuit-demanding-to-change-in-locker-room-beside-high-school-girls-says-aclu/

[Guest ProudConservative]

It's funny, because I would of voted "High Taxes and Endless-Deficits". Everything is redundant, when Canada goes broke.

[Queenmandy85]

The endless deficits are a continuationn from when Mr. Harper was Prime Minister. He inherited a large surplus and squandered it. 

Governments are restricted by what the voters demand. Voters demand lots of services but want someone else to pay for them.

[Queenmandy85]

A prime example of the disconnect in voters minds between service and revenue is found in Defence policiy. Many Conservatives, myself included, want a viable military. But many of those same Conservatives (Not including me) don't want to raise taxes to pay for it. Health care, infrastructure, education are all caught up in this contradiction in voters' minds. We all want a $16,000 IMac Pro, but we only want to pay for an Acer laptop (refurbished).

It doesn't matter what the lable of the party is, governments of any stripe face the same issues with the same narrow options.

[OftenWrong]

I dislike their negative-option billing...

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The endless deficits are a continuationn from when Mr. Harper was Prime Minister. He inherited a large surplus and squandered it. 

This ignores the context of a terrible world-wide recession, and also ignores that he was in a minority and that all three other parties demanded a huge 'economic incentive' spending program or they would take over. Why is it the lefties never seem to take any responsibility for this? There's certainly no doubt, given the recorded statements of their leaders at the time, that a Liberal/NDP/BQ government would have spend far more.

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Governments are restricted by what the voters demand. Voters demand lots of services but want someone else to pay for them.

I would say that the voters had the need to balance budgets fairly nicely set up in their minds. Even the NDP, now that the recession was over and the budget balanced, promised to keep it that way. The Liberals coyly figured out that many younger voters had forgotten how difficult it had been for Mulroney and Chretien to get to the point of balance. Especially since Harper managed to run a huge deficit, then get back to balance without causing the same level of social distress Chretien had done. By this recent election they and their allies in media and academia had moved public perception to the point that they felt free in depicting anyone who tried to balance the budget, even in good economic times, as cruel and heartless.

Trudeau probably calculates that, like his father, who created the debt in the first place, by the time the damage is severe enough he'll be happily retired and able to ignore the whole thing.

Edited November 24, 2019 by Argus

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

This ignores the context of a terrible world-wide recession, and also ignores that he was in a minority and that all three other parties demanded a huge 'economic incentive' spending program or they would take over. Why is it the lefties never seem to take any responsibility for this? There's certainly no doubt, given the recorded statements of their leaders at the time, that a Liberal/NDP/BQ government would have spend far more.

I would say that the voters had the need to balance budgets fairly nicely set up in their minds. Even the NDP, now that the recession was over and the budget balanced, promised to keep it that way. The Liberals coyly figured out that many younger voters had forgotten how difficult it had been for Mulroney and Chretien to get to the point of balance. Especially since Harper managed to run a huge deficit, then get back to balance without causing the same level of social distress Chretien had done. By this recent election they and their allies in media and academia had moved public perception to the point that they felt free in depicting anyone who tried to balance the budget, even in good economic times, as cruel and heartless.

Trudeau probably calculates that, like his father, who created the debt in the first place, by the time the damage is severe enough he'll be happily retired and able to ignore the whole thing.

I agree with pretty much everything you say. My choice of the word 'squandered' was ill advised. It goes to show that governments of any party in power have that narrow range of options.  Thank you.

[Queenmandy85]

My disappointment in Trudeau includes his treatment of veterans and the scientific community. 

[Guest ProudConservative]

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

My disappointment in Trudeau includes his treatment of veterans and the scientific community. 

How does he mistreat the scientific community? Isn't he apart of the climate cult?

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

By this recent election they and their allies in media and academia had moved public perception to the point that they felt free in depicting anyone who tried to balance the budget, even in good economic times, as cruel and heartless.

Trudeau probably calculates that, like his father, who created the debt in the first place, by the time the damage is severe enough he'll be happily retired and able to ignore the whole thing.

Would you like to see Trudeau hung for treason?

[Dougie93]

48 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

My disappointment in Trudeau includes his treatment of veterans and the scientific community. 

As a veteran, he hasn't disappointed me, he's been exactly as I expected.  Moreover, I don't want any treatment from him, he's of no utility to me whatsoever.

I want the government out of my life, I don't want anything else from them.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

Would you like to see Trudeau hung for treason?

Being stupid, short-sighted and shallow is not the same as being a traitor, even if your actions wind up harming the country.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

Would you like to see Trudeau hung for treason?

I think he could be charged with treason for bringing false charges against Vice Admiral Norman, that meets the threshold of "kills, attempts to kill, wounds, imprisons, or restrains the sovereign" as the Vice Chief of Defence Staff represents Her Majesty in the chain of command.

[Guest ProudConservative]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

Being stupid, short-sighted and shallow is not the same as being a traitor, even if your actions wind up harming the country.

My family in Saskatchewan thinks different. I asked a bunch of great uncles what they thought about Trudeau, and they told me "Hang Em for Treason".

[Guest ProudConservative]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

I think he could be charged with treason for bringing false charges against Vice Admiral Norman, that meets the threshold of "kills, attempts to kill, wounds, imprisons, or restrains the sovereign" as the Vice Chief of Defence Staff represents Her Majesty in the chain of command.

Is the law still on the books. Can we still hang a corrupt politician for Treason?