Lack of Conservative Confidence

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Sir Arthur Currie would disagree.

No he wouldn't, and even if he would, he doesn't speak for everyone who fought.

Edited October 13, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Queenmandy85]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

As for being hard on Singh? Who? When?

Just 3 weeks ago, the MSM were saying that under Singh's leadership, the NDP were going to be wiped out.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Just 3 weeks ago, the MSM were saying that under Singh's leadership, the NDP were going to be wiped out.

Just today, the NDP are projected to win less seats than the Bloc Quebecois. So not sure why you think the NDP are doing so great.

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[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They didn't fight to be separate from the British Army, they fought gladly for the British, they didn't care about being swallowed up by someone else. You are projecting your own beliefs on those who were there, based on revisionist history.

You have to read the history, such as Pierre Berton’s Vimy.  Canada demonstrated self-sufficient support at Vimy.  We were able to carry that through to WW2, declaring war on Germany separately from Britain.  We did it a week after Britain!  Lol

We may not have all the “logistics tail” required for some major operations and therefore borrow or rent, which may be fine most of the time, but we should absolutely go further and have that self-sufficiency at the ready.  Once you have first strike capability power of life and death over any other country from the air, you pretty much have all you need, so get the best hardware.  Do it right.  All the social safety nets in the world won’t save Canada from sudden incursions or attacks on Canadian assets.  Yes we have NATO, but we’ve also seen the lead NATO power mess with it.  Make the fair contribution to NATO (not the excessive US corporate welfare oversized version).  You can’t have a seat at the table or protect domestic and foreign policy without sufficient hard power.  

Edited October 13, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You have to read the history, such as Pierre Berton’s Vimy.  Canada demonstrated self-sufficient support at Vimy.  We were able to carry that through to WW2, declaring war on Germany separately from Britain.  We did it a week after Britain!  Lol

Revisionist History. Fake News. Declaring War separately from Britain came long after Vimy, and wasn't because of Vimy. You want to believe in a Canadian nationalism that doesn't actually exist, so you buy into the Vimy propaganda. You want Canada to be about separating itself from Britain, when Canada's being British is it's real national identity.

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[Zeitgeist]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Revisionist History. Fake News. Declaring War separately from Britain came long after Vimy, and wasn't because of Vimy. You want to believe in Canadian nationalism that doesn't actually exist.

You obviously don’t know the history.  

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You obviously don’t know the history.  

I know the history, so well that I know the common narrative you are repeating is bullshit you tell yourself to make you feel better about Canada. Turning a molehill into a mountain, as if capturing Vimy held any strategic importance whatsoever, it was a meaningless victory that had zero impact on the course of the war, that people try and turn into a moment that was a launching pad for Canadian nationalism, when Canada didn't even give a shit at the time. WWI to Canadians was about Canada proving they were still British, not about them separating themselves from the British.

The entire narrative is revisionist history, fake news.

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[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I know the history, so well that I know the common narrative you are repeating is bullshit you tell yourself to make you feel better about Canada.

No, I get my knowledge from historians.  You keep comparing Canada to the US or Canada to Britain in 1914.  Canada had 8 million people then.  A million soldiers trained or fought.  It doesn’t matter to you because we didn’t nuke Japan in WW2 so what good are we?   I want you to look at Canada’s naval force in WW2.  Yes we’ve descaled drastically, but what is your answer, let the Yanks run the show?  Don’t they do enough of that?  Canadians would not have elected Donald.  We need to do things on our own terms.  

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No, I get my knowledge from historians.  You keep comparing Canada to the US or Canada to Britain in 1914.  Canada had 8 million people then.  A million soldiers trained or fought.  It doesn’t matter to you because we didn’t nuke Japan in WW2 so what good are we?   I want you to look at Canada’s naval force in WW2.  Yes we’ve descaled drastically, but what is your answer, let the Yanks run the show?  Don’t they do enough of that?  Canadians would not have elected Donald.  We need to do things on our own terms.  

You get your knowledge from bullshit revisionist narratives. Canada is incapable of doing things on it's own terms, especially when it comes to the military, you wishing that wasn't true doesn't make it so. Humpty Dumpty can't be put back together again, you're just in denial and want to try anyway.

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[Argus]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Just 3 weeks ago, the MSM were saying that under Singh's leadership, the NDP were going to be wiped out.

Because the NDP's blue collar people don't want to vote for a guy with a turban who wears rolex watches and gucci loafers. Because racism, you know.

[Queenmandy85]

9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You want Canada to be about separating itself from Britain, when Canada's being British is it's real national identity.

Yes, but my point is that we are not Amercan. The American people are wonderful but we are not Americans. We can only have our own foreign and defence policy when we are not dependent on anyone else. However, I am a lone voice in the wilderness.

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You get your knowledge from bullshit revisionist narratives. Canada is incapable of doing things on it's own terms, especially when it comes to the military, you wishing that wasn't true doesn't make it so. Humpty Dumpty can't be put back together again, you're just in denial and want to try anyway.

You get your narratives from anti-globalist conspiracy websites.  I’m into research-based history, not Militia Bob’s Homepage.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Once again, back to the original question, has Peter MacKay hurt himself by publicly stabbing Mr. Sheer in the back?

Anybody?

Probably. Though I suspect the leadership context will be about red vs blue, with McKay the most obvious upholder of the red side against maybe O'Toole (again) and Rempel. But I think the Blues will win since they can point to how the party's complete renunciation of conservative values got them precisely zero additional support, and that continuing to go Red will help the rise of the PPC on their right.

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[Yzermandius19]

 

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Yes, but my point is that we are not Amercan. The American people are wonderful but we are not Americans. We can only have our own foreign and defence policy when we are not dependent on anyone else. However, I am a lone voice in the wilderness.

All the King's horses and all the king's men can't put Humpty together again, even if they wanted to try, which they don't. Lost cause.

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[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You get your narratives from anti-globalist conspiracy websites.  I’m into research-based history, not Militia Bob’s Homepage.

You are into historical narratives that promote a bullshit fake Canadian identity, you don't care about what actually happened, to you it's all about the imaginary Republic of Zeitgeist.

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[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So we are wasting our money and serving as an arm of the US military. Our grandfathers and fathers who struggled to be separate from the British Army at Vimy would roll over in their graves to see the Canadian Armed Forces swallowed up by somebody else. Canadian voters do not wish to make the sacrifices required to have a defence policy. The voter is always right. It would be better to re-direct those billions into healthcare.

My great grandfather fought at Vimy with the 72nd Seaforth Highlanders of Canada and he definitely wasn't struggling to separate from the British.

That's called the Vimy Myth.   It's bullshit.  Made up long after the fact; fake news.

 

My great grandfather was from Ulster, came to Vancouver for the Empire, fought for the Empire in the war, Canada and Britain were one and the same.

A Nation Founded at Vimy is a Canadian Big Lie.

 

In terms of fighting for the Americans, when I served in the Canadian Forces, I served the free world, led by the Americans.  NATO CENTAG.

I served the SACEUR proudly.

 

In terms of public healthcare, it's a sinkhole, the more money you dump into it; the more they raise the prices, so it's a mugs game.

 

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Wasn't a Canadian who founded the Canadian Corps.

It was a British Officer who fought for and won the Canadian Corps for Canada,

Wasn't a Canadian who led the Corps up Vimy Ridge.

Was a Briton who made it happen.

Field Marshal Julian Hedworth George Byng, 1st Viscount Byng of Vimy.

 

The Government of Canada did nothing in the war, they were utterly passive, all they did was serve Canadians up as cannon fodder for the British Empire and Belgium.

When the Corps came home from Europe, there were no victory parades for Vimy, nobody even met them at the train station.

They were treated quite poorly actually,  Canada at the time was in the throws of socialist upheaval.

The Vimy Myth is totally fabricated propaganda, made up by the government in the 1930's

To get the public primed for another bloody war for the Empire which they saw coming.

Edited October 13, 2019 by Dougie93

[taxme]

6 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

1 - You have very good points on immigration however, even after cutting in half we must vigorously screen out immigrants for adaptability to our Western democracy. Your past posts indicated that you wish a regional screening (for example screen out all those from Middle East or Africa), that I don't agree because we deprived many good potential citizens for something they have no control of. We have t preserve this Western democracy therefore screen out vigorously those who have no respect for our values or have no respect for women and yes that includes a large portion of Middle East and African population but not all.

On immigration none of the major parties have the balls to do the right thing and cut down on numbers and improve the quality for the fear of being labelled as racist. It is however an important issue for the future and well being of this country.

2 - Allow PRIVATE health care system for those who can afford it (or wish it ) will have to pay (certain income threshold) and private doctors and clinics visiting patients at home for a charge. This way publicly funded health care would remain for those who really can't afford it and overall our very sick health system would be much improved with lots of funding and incentives to take care of our sick and elderly.

on 3 and 4 I agree.

On 5 I totally agree and long overdue.

On 6 to 10 I don't have enough knowledge to comment.

on 11, make guns totally illegal with harsh punishment for violators. Guns are for killing and I see no use for them. I do not support hunting. It is taking a life for fun. It is unacceptable. One day human race will evolve to the extend that all types of killings will be prohibited. You can be ahead of time by having this in your agenda.

Let me know what party stands for all these and I will move my Liberal vote to that party.

Why is it that just about everybody is scared to give their opinion on immigration? Why doing so makes any person out to be a racist? The word racist is only being used by the pro immigration and minority special interest groups who want to flood Canada with millions of third world immigrants. The globalist controlled Canadian media and most Canadian globalist politicians appears to be behind this mass 3rd world invasion. I call myself a white nationalist, not a globalist, and I get called a racist. Why being white and a nationalist is somehow being a racist is beyond me. What i say is not racist. Only people who have a problem with reading or like to take what I say out of context, and wnat to put their own words in there to make me look racist. If reelected again, Blackface and his Somali immigration minister wants to flood Canada with another million new third world immigrants into Canada in the next three years, not that the NDP and the Greens are any better. The British /European people are fast being replaced already. Another million more new immigrants will make us all but become a minority in our own British/European western homeland. We see non-western people already moving into positions of authority in politics at all three levels of governments in Canada, and on TV news channels in Canada. The warning is there for all to see, but I do not think that most British/European people in Canada seem to give a chit. They appear to be encouraging it instead. For all conservatives who fall for that racist nonsense are just wimps and fools. Just saying. 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The F-35 is indeed software encrypted and locked out at the discretion of the American CinC, but that is the option Canada chose.

Canada could have chosen to be a full partner with access to the software codes like the British, but Canada didn't want to pay the premium.

As to using force against not American approved targets, the actual restriction is Canada doing away with a logistics tail and becoming entirely a Boutique Military.

Canada simply does not have the logistics tail to conduct operations without the Americans, not even domestically,  so Canada reports to NORTHCOM by default.

Canada should become a territory of the USA. Then that way Canadians do not need to have a military. The US military will have our backs. A win-win for Canadians where we save taxes and do not have to pay for a military. I do not think that a territory like Puerto Rico has or is in need of having a military. We then can get rid of our Canadian peso and get to use real American money that is worth something. Canada has become a dumb and insignificant country, and not really worth the effort to save anymore. So sad to have to be so realistic about what was once a great nation until the globalist commies took it over and pretty much have destroyed this country.  

[Cannucklehead]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

Canada should become a territory of the USA. Then that way Canadians do not need to have a military. The US military will have our backs. A win-win for Canadians where we save taxes and do not have to pay for a military. I do not think that a territory like Puerto Rico has or is in need of having a military. We then can get rid of our Canadian peso and get to use real American money that is worth something. Canada has become a dumb and insignificant country, and not really worth the effort to save anymore. So sad to have to be so realistic about what was once a great nation until the globalist commies took it over and pretty much have destroyed this country.  

Not a chance.  The manifest destiny did not work 200 years ago when the americans tried to invade Canada, won't work today.  

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Not a chance.  The manifest destiny did not work 200 years ago when the americans tried to invade Canada, won't work today.  

America doesn't need to invade. Canada is already a de facto American territory, no need to annex it. Manifest Destiny has already won, no need to fire a shot in Canada's case, cultural, economic, and military dependency on America FTW.

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[Cannucklehead]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

America doesn't need to invade. Canada is already a de facto American territory, no need to annex it. Manifest Destiny has already won, no need to fire a shot in Canada's case, cultural, economic and military dependency is all it took.

Sounds to me like you dont know what manifest destiny was.  

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

Sounds to me like you dont know what manifest destiny was.  

Sounds to me like you are trying to make manifest destiny something it isn't, constraining it to a limited definition that does not adequately describe the concept.

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Sounds to me like you are trying to make manifest destiny something it isn't, constraining it to a limited definition that does not adequately describe the concept.

The idea that all of North America should be settled by americans.  They accomplished that with the exception of Canada and Mexico.  But yeah, they are close to achieving it 

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

The idea that all of North America should be settled by americans.  They accomplished that with the exception of Canada and Mexico.  But yeah, they are close to achieving it 

Canada and Mexico are de facto American territories, totally dependent on the American economy, culture and military.

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by Yzermandius19