Can Canada not bring 'Jihadi Jack' back to Canada?

[-TSS-]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

We already have strict laws on immigration, it is already very difficult to gain citizenship in Canada,  we have a merit based point system and if you don't have enough points, you don't get in.

Again, thanks anyways, Finland,

I understand completely.  We in Finland have people who say that we should have a points based-system on immigration like Canada does. 

On the other hand, Finland is not Canada so why would anyone who would get high points in such a system choose to come to a country in the middle of nowhere where the weather is depressing 8 months a year? 

None of those scoring high points in the Canadian system come here. We get Iraqis and Afghans instead. 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

I understand completely.  We in Finland have people who say that we should have a points based-system on immigration like Canada does. 

On the other hand, Finland is not Canada so why would anyone who would get high points in such a system choose to come to a country in the middle of nowhere where the weather is depressing 8 months a year? 

None of those scoring high points in the Canadian system come here. We get Iraqis and Afghans instead. 

Europeans for the most part are not interested in Canada anyways, why would I, if I was a Finn, want to come to Canada?

If I was a Finn I would be a Jaeger standing on the frontier against the Russians, Canada would not be my destination of choice even if I was forced to fall back from there.

 

[Dougie93]

It's like I know quite a few Europeans living in Canada, but the only reason they are here is that a European corporation is paying them to work at a Canadian office of that corporation, but if that ends, they are going back to Europe whence they came, because being Europeans, they actually prefer Europe and think Canada is kind of weird, like America and Britain fused together, which, as Continental Europeans, that's not really their thing.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Moreover, the Canadian fantasy of attracting rich white people from Europe is silly, if rich white people in Europe want a socialistic economy, they can stay where they are, the only thing that draws rich white Europeans to North America, is the United States of America, when they get so rich that they jettison socialism altogether and move to the land of the free.

[Zeitgeist]

16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's like I know quite a few Europeans living in Canada, but the only reason they are here is that a European corporation is paying them to work at a Canadian office of that corporation, but if that ends, they are going back to Europe whence they came, because being Europeans, they actually prefer Europe and think Canada is kind of weird, like America and Britain fused together, which, as Continental Europeans, that's not really their thing.

Not true at all.  Many Europeans immigrate to Canada still.  I have two neighbours who immigrated from Italy, one family from France, and yes, a few Chinese families, and one from Africa.  Quite incredible the variety actually, and all the kids play together quite well.  

Of course it depends on which part of the country you’re discussing immigration levels. The Greater Toronto Area is receiving new residents and investment at unprecedented levels.  It’s a firehose that needs some redirecting.  The warmer weather in southern Canada helps.  Vancouver is much the same.  We need a new category of immigration that requires residency for a period in less developed swaths of Canada before full citizenship is granted.  I’d like to see half of immigration redirected in this way.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Not true at all.  Many Europeans immigrate to Canada still.  I have two neighbours who immigrated from Italy, one family from France, and yes, a few Chinese families, and one from Africa.  Quite incredible the variety actually, and all the kids play together quite well.  

Specific to general fallacy

By country, the leading places Canada receives immigrants  from are the following;

India 50,000 +

Philippines 40,000 +

China 30,000 +

Syria 12,000 +

United States 9,000 +

Pakistan 7,000 +

Immigrants from India and the Philippines account for almost of half of all immigrants to Canada.

The number of Italians moving to Canada now is negligible, tho they were at one point the largest group, but that was in the 1950's

Edited August 25, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

One of the main reasons immigrants do like Canada is multiculturalism.

Which basically means they can hold Canadian passports without having to conform to Canadian culture.

I like that too.

 God bless America, f*ck Canada, buncha speech banning gun grabbing freedom hating commies that they are.

[cannuck]

On 8/19/2019 at 11:30 AM, Dougie93 said:

Canada is way more spooky than the general public surmises, Canada is FVEY make no mistake, Canada is interoperating with MI5, Mi6, NSA, CIA, and Canada is actually the go to stealth asset because Canada has the lowest profile in FVEY.

Having known an Mi6 agent VERY well,  I would tend to agree with this statement.

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Having known an Mi6 agent VERY well,  I would tend to agree with this statement.

Canada is also the most interested in industrial espionage, when Canada spying on its own behalf it is using the power of FVEY to spy behalf of Canadian industrial entrenched interests.

[cannuck]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is also the most interested in industrial espionage, when Canada spying on its own behalf it is using the power of FVEY to spy behalf of Canadian industrial entrenched interests.

Close, but only partly true.  The vast majority of ALL information of potential economic benefit is distributed ONLY to Quebec, and widely disseminated by government offices right out in the open.  NO question, though, that those "friendly" to government have the petutie sucked by bureaucrats who are looking for a comfy life after their time in government.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, cannuck said:

Close, but only partly true.  The vast majority of ALL information of potential economic benefit is distributed ONLY to Quebec, and widely disseminated by government offices right out in the open.  NO question, though, that those "friendly" to government have the petutie sucked by bureaucrats who are looking for a comfy life after their time in government.

Canada was caught spying on Brazil for Bombardier true enough, but the operation had all sorts of targets including mining companies and whatnot, OSINT indicates Canada does a ton of spying for mining companies, which are based in Toronto.

[Dougie93]

And bear in mind that mining companies are some of the dirtiest of them all, mining companies have people killed all the time.

I'm not privy to SCI and even if I was I wouldn't disclose it, but my impression is that rather than spying on China or Russia, Canada spends its time spying on people in the third world who ,might resist industrial exploitation, people who are in extreme danger from their local governments, Canada empowering these interests with NSA level capabilities.

Similar to CSIS spying on the Environmentalists in Canada for the oil companies, except in third world banana republics, when you pass intel on those people, that gets them tortured and killed by the local death squads.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Also understand how Canada uses FVEY to spy on Canadians, all your message traffic goes through the United States, so all message traffic in Canada can be flagged "foreign" by those means,  and so subject to FVEY foreign intelligence gathering, it goes out and comes back, and so is fair game by the Canadian loose interpretation of the law.

[egghead]

8 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Bear in mind that Canada does not have jurisdiction in Syria, Canada may not lay a charge on behalf of Syria.

If Canada had to lay terrorism charges on behalf of foreign powers, that would bind Canada to charge Palestinians with terrorism against the State of Israel, or against the Hong Kong protestors defense of the PRC, what have you, but that is not how the law in Canada works.

Tell me what the charge would be and I will say whether that is legitimate or simply hysteria.

No one ask Canada to lay charges on behalf of foreign powers . A lot of people just don't want him to come in Canada. Actaully, did you hear his dad's interview? He knows the truth too. Unlike UK, We are helplessness because we are so kind and stupid.

Edited August 25, 2019 by egghead

[Dougie93]

Just now, egghead said:

No one ask Canada to lay charges on behalf of foreign powers . A lot of people just don't want him to come in Canada. Actaully, did you hear his dad's interview?

A lot of people don't want a lot of things, a lot of people succumb to media fueled hysteria, a lot of people would throw a lot of people into jail with no trial at all because they don't like them.

I just keep an open mind, like a juror, I don't allow the media nor government to prejudice my view of things, I look at the evidence on the merits.

In terms of disliking the guy?  There's lots of people in Canada I dislike far more than this guy, but I wouldn't throw them out of Canada for it.

[Dougie93]

I also don't feel like I own Canada, like it's my prerogative to say what should be done to Canadians why, how and when.

I also think Canadian citizenship is basically worthless, Canada doesn't protect me, protect my property, protect my rights, I assume the government of Canada would throw me under a bus at the drop of a hat without a second thought.

I served Canada honorably, but I honestly feel like a chump now, I don't even like my own country anymore, the commies like it I guess, but to me Canada is shameful, an international embarrassment, and not really a free country by my classical liberal values.

So who am I to tell this guy to go away?  He's not as disgusting to me as the elites who run this country and claim they are the arbiters of all that is right and good, pretenders to the throne.

He does seem like a semi-retarded moron, but that's how most Canadians seem to me.  This land is full of people demanding a police state which is far more dangerous than terrorists.

In terms of being a jihadist, if so, I think there are many here already, the domestic terrorist jihadist threat seems to be more clear and present.  The guy who shot Nate Cirillo wasn't Daesh, he was the goofy son of some dingbat Canadian government employee.

Canada has open borders and people are flooding in from the ME, but I'm supposed to be concerned about this one guy?

Again;  Emmanuel Goldstein.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Dougie93

[taxme]

On 8/24/2019 at 4:14 PM, -TSS- said:

WTF? 

I was saying that we must accept our citizens back because they are our citizens even though almost none of them should be our citizens. 

If we refuse to allow our citizens back we have very little credibility complaining that Iraq or Afghanistan don't allow their deported citizens back. 

The main lesson is: Don't give citizenship to anyone outside Europe or North-America. 

Personally, if Canada just kept to taking in more people new immigrants Britain, Europe and Australia, and less from the 3rd world, Canada would not be in the multicultural mess that it finds itself into today. Thanks to massive non-western immigration and to multiculturalism they both are destroying this once great Canadian western nation. A nation cannot survive as a nation if it wants to become a country of many nations. There can only be one culture in a nation and all who immigrate to that nation must assimilate immediately. To promote other cultures is just a recipe for disaster. Canada is fast becoming a disaster. Just saying. 

[Dougie93]

Why would Australians, who are freer, more prosperous and better defended than Canada, want to come here so they could join in with America bashing and terrorist hugging, while being free loaders on everybody else?   That's not the Australian way.

I mean, good lord, Canada doesn't even contribute to the fight against the terrorists anymore.

The Liberals tried to put Mark Norman in jail just for trying to get a supply ship to go fight Jihadi Jacks.

Australia has aircraft carriers for crying out loud.

 

Canada,  which does not contribute anything of significance to the fight, is the country which should have the Jihadis dumped on it.

The British are right, Canada deserves Jihadi Jack.

Canada has earned the contempt of its allies, in every respect. 

Canada showed the way by being the country which stripped people of citizenship to avoid Canada taking responsibility.

Just like Canada avoids taking responsibility for everything.

Canada should rightly be run out of every alliance it is in and made to fend for itself,  to hell with Canada, bunch of free loaders, eh wot, Australia?

Of course Jihadi Jack wants to come to Canada, he knows its the safest place for Jihadists in the world.

The government is probably in fear of the Americans rightly accusing Canada of that, and then further hardening and thickening the border to defend America from America hating terrorist hugging free loader Canada.

There's only so far you can take the crazy America bashing terrorist hugging in Canada, before the allies start to notice that Canada looks more like an enemy than an ally and the consequences come crashing down therein.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Dougie93

[Nefarious Banana]

Trudeau spends my tax dollars to rehabilitate ISIS shit-heads back into the Canadian 'cultural fabric' . . . . the USA next door, ISIS shit-heads here.  Would there be a connection ?

It's quite enjoyable to watch the obvious contempt (words & actions) that Trump displays toward that pathetic clown in Ottawa.  

'Go to Jail' . . . go directly to jail. Do not pass 'GO' . . . . 

[Dougie93]

There's twelve more Canadians like this guy in custody in the ME as well, ones who actually traveled from Canada.

There has been other Canadians who joined AQ in Sahel, the gas plant attack in Algeria was three Canadians from London.

As if Jack Letts was somehow the poster child for Canadian Jihadis?

I don't think so, Canada has been producing more than its share of them, and Jihadi Jack is nowhere near the worst of them.