The road to 2020

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On 7/26/2019 at 7:22 PM, Shady said:

This, and promising to eliminate all private health insurance.

Bernie and others don't understand the difference between US health care system and Canada health care system. Just look at ICBC, you know it will never fly in US. 

 

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Trump is such a controversial person that if the Democrats had a level-headed candidate Trump could be beaten. If Mondale or Dukakis were today's politicians they could beat Trump but not the bunch the Dems have on offer at the moment. 

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23 minutes ago, egghead said:

Bernie and others don't understand the difference between US health care system and Canada health care system. Just look at ICBC, you know it will never fly in US. 

 

Americans would never tolerate health care rationing and years long wait lists.

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28 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Americans would never tolerate health care rationing and years long wait lists.

It would be some would prefer a long list compared to no list at all (meaning they cannot pay for healthcare).

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44 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Trump is such a controversial person that if the Democrats had a level-headed candidate Trump could be beaten. If Mondale or Dukakis were today's politicians they could beat Trump but not the bunch the Dems have on offer at the moment. 

US must be brutally honest with themselves. What do they want? They want another nice guy and let US be eaten alive by foreign country or an america first foul mouth  loonette.

Dems have Biden, and he has a chance 

Edited August 1, 2019 by egghead

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12 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

It would be some would prefer a long list compared to no list at all (meaning they cannot pay for healthcare).

There will be no long waiting lists. Just a bankrupt US gov't.

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14 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

It would be some would prefer a long list compared to no list at all (meaning they cannot pay for healthcare).

Not much different than dying while on a wait or list or in a hospital hallway waiting. 

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11 minutes ago, egghead said:

 

There will be no long waiting lists. Just a bankrupt US gov't.

Trillions for war and war machines. But nothing for health care. Maybe if the middle man of the insurance companies were removed, the people could have direct access to health care instead of depending on gatekeepers.  Those insurance companies are bilking the people AND the government at the same time.  Get rid of that, a good deal of those problems will go away.

 

 

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2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Trillions for war and war machines. But nothing for health care. Maybe if the middle man of the insurance companies were removed, the people could have direct access to health care instead of depending on gatekeepers.  Those insurance companies are bilking the people AND the government at the same time.  Get rid of that, a good deal of those problems will go away.

 

 

You don't understand US healthcare system. The problem is not the insurance companies. The US healthcare system is a private sector 

Edited August 1, 2019 by egghead

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17 hours ago, egghead said:

You don't understand US healthcare system. The problem is not the insurance companies. The US healthcare system is a private sector 

Can I get healthcare directly from the government in the USA?

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7 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Can I get healthcare directly from the government in the USA?

good question, don't know, I think it depends on where you live. Don't think there is a public or NGO's hospital in every city. 

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2 hours ago, egghead said:

good question, don't know, I think it depends on where you live. Don't think there is a public or NGO's hospital in every city. 

That means I need to go through some insurance company that will sell me access to health care.

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22 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Can I get healthcare directly from the government in the USA?

Medicare and medicaid are primarily funded by the gov't...  so there's that.   Gradually expanding those programs makes sense to me. 

https://caregiverconnection.org/medicare-vs-medicaid-everything-need-know/

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11 hours ago, scribblet said:

Medicare and medicaid are primarily funded by the gov't...  so there's that.   Gradually expanding those programs makes sense to me. 

https://caregiverconnection.org/medicare-vs-medicaid-everything-need-know/

The problem is the costs

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2 minutes ago, egghead said:

The problem is the costs

True, but they could expand gradually to include up to a certain income level then let others pay for insurance.

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18 hours ago, egghead said:

The problem is the costs

The problem is priorities of the government. Last Trump budget gives a 33 B increase in military spending and a 85B decrease for healthcare. Military spending seems to be 2 to 3x more than healthcare.  The priority is the war machine.

 

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An hour with Bernie Sanders on Joe Rogan's show.

I sure hope Sanders gets POTUS.

 

 

[Yzermandius19]

On 8/1/2019 at 10:24 AM, GostHacked said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/07/31/gabbard_vs_harris_you_kept_prisoners_locked_up_for_labor_blocked_evidence_that_would_free_man_on_death_row.html

I am not happy Gabbard side stepped the actual question, (maybe she saw it as a trap, not sure), but she made some great points regarding Harri's record.

 

Shady,  we also heard Trump saying he would drain the swamp. Which did not happen. A lot of them are corrupt.

You aren't happy that Gabbard didn't answer a stupid disingenuous gotcha question and torched Kamala? Odd.

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3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You aren't happy that Gabbard didn't answer a stupid disingenuous gotcha question and torched Kamala? Odd.

Part of listening to others is answering the question proposed. As terrible as those questions are.  I am happy she end up ripping Harris instead.

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44 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Part of listening to others is answering the question proposed. As terrible as those questions are.  I am happy she end up ripping Harris instead.

Why should she listen to CNN when they are trying to railroad her with ridiculously framed questions, while propping up her competition with soft balls? She shouldn't.

Ignore them and hammer home the message you want to talk about, only dumb politicians go out of their way to answer questions that can't possibly be answered in a way that helps them.

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[WestCanMan]

On 8/1/2019 at 11:05 AM, egghead said:

US must be brutally honest with themselves. What do they want? They want another nice guy and let US be eaten alive by foreign country or an america first foul mouth  loonette.

Dems have Biden, and he has a chance 

Biden doesn't have a chance at all imo. 

He doesn't have the jam to go on the campaign trail. He's prone to gaffes. He looks weak compared to Trump. He has no policy aside from "Obama....". He's a sidekick at best. 

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Manipulation of elections - Not by Russians, but by American technological companies.  Google.  Google and Facebook will always have more of an impact on the elections in the USA than anything else. Including the Russians.

 

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/07/25/tulsi-gabbard-sues-google-democratic-debate/

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MOUNTAIN VIEW (CNN) — Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s presidential campaign sued Google on Thursday after the company suspended the candidate’s Google Ads account following last month’s Democratic presidential debate. The campaign alleges the corporation “used its control over online political speech to silence” the candidate.

The campaign said its inability to run Google Ads meant it lost out on campaign donations it could have received if users were directed to the candidate’s website.

After the first Democratic debate last month, Google released data that showed the Hawaii representative was the most searched candidate during the first debate.

To take advantage of that momentum, the suit outlines, the campaign sought to buy Google Ads as a way of directly reaching people who were searching for information about Gabbard.

On June 28, two days after the debate, “Google suspended Tulsi’s Google Ads account without warning,” the suit alleges.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/technology/tulsi-gabbard-sues-google.html

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“Google’s discriminatory actions against my campaign are reflective of how dangerous their complete dominance over internet search is, and how the increasing dominance of big tech companies over our public discourse threatens our core American values,” Ms. Gabbard said in a statement. “This is a threat to free speech, fair elections, and to our democracy, and I intend to fight back on behalf of all Americans.”

Knowing how Google can customize searches for you. And depending where you are  (physical location like the USA or Canada) the results will be different. It's interesting that with this much power Google has, people will still think the Russians are the reason Tulsi is gaining traction.

This means that there is some collusion in place from tech giants and certain entities in government that will work to get the one they want into the White House.

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Moving on to the smears on Sanders.

Interesting that the media treats him as 'hes going on the same thing as he was 20 years ago'.  And yes ,, yes he is.  I am wondering why people cannot appreciate consistency in speech and rhetoric.

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On 8/10/2019 at 2:17 PM, WestCanMan said:

Biden doesn't have a chance at all imo. 

He doesn't have the jam to go on the campaign trail. He's prone to gaffes. He looks weak compared to Trump. He has no policy aside from "Obama....". He's a sidekick at best. 

You are not wrong. He has no energy, but he represents, on paper at least, calmness. The main reason he still has 20 points lead after so many godawful missteps. So, I believe he has a chance.

[Shady]

On 8/4/2019 at 3:00 PM, GostHacked said:

The problem is priorities of the government. Last Trump budget gives a 33 B increase in military spending and a 85B decrease for healthcare. Military spending seems to be 2 to 3x more than healthcare.  The priority is the war machine.

 

That's incorrect.  Nothing in the budget receives less money than it did the year before.  Perhaps a cut in the rate of growth is what you mean.  Regardless, 33B and 85B are chump change when you're talking about an 500-800 billion dollar deficit and 20 trillion dollar debt.  Bernie's plans do nothing except make all of it much much worse.

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5 hours ago, egghead said:

You are not wrong. He has no energy, but he represents, on paper at least, calmness. The main reason he still has 20 points lead after so many godawful missteps. So, I believe he has a chance.

I think it's awesome that in a party that's so full of far-left nutjobs that seem to get the majority of press for their horrible ideas and comments, one of the more rational people is the frontrunner in the election process. 

Thing is that Americans will go to the polls with a stronger America and a healthier economy than they had 4 years ago, and that's even after they finally stood up for themselves against China on trade. Even Chuck "I hate Trump" Schumer admitted that China needed to face the music. 

Also, a lot of people who voted for the Dems in the last mid-terms, while the spectre of Russian collusion was still front and center on the news every day, will now fee jilted/lied to by the left and their MSM cohorts. The petty levels of obstruction, which didn't amount to any hampering of the investigation at all as per the opinions of Mueller himself and Barr, are no substitute for actual proof of collusion. Intelligent Americans want something to show for that investigation to prove that it wasn't just a smear campaign/witch hunt. So far they have zilch.

Ricketty old Biden can't beat a strong President who has benefitted the country in a big way.