The road to 2020

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Reality TV President, as postmodern as it gets.

And yet, Mindhunter is timely, because the onset of the Serial Killers, it was like first wave Accelerationism, the Mass Shooters are next wave.

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

And yet, Mindhunter is timely, because the onset of the Serial Killers, it was like first wave Accelerationism, the Mass Shooters are next wave.

I bet the third wave will be a fusion of the two, mass shooter serial killer sets ambush, shoots a bunch of folks, escapes and vows to mass shoot again, instead of going out in one blaze of infamy, picks and chooses their spots better, hit and run and gets a couple mass shootings in. Media would lose their sh*t, thats how you one up these mass shooters and become even more infamous in the process.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

I bet the third wave will be a fusion of the two, mass shooter serial killer sets ambush, shoots a bunch of folks, escapes and vows to mass shoot again. Media would lose their sh*t.

It was the same, the Serial Killers danced with the mass media, it was onset of postmodern acceleration.

Serial Killers ain't no thang now, but back then people were as shocked and panicked by them as people are by Mass Shooters now.

The Serial Killers were the end of free rein, it was the origin of Helicopter Parenting.  

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It was the same, the Serial Killers danced with the mass media, it was onset of postmodern acceleration.

Serial Killers ain't no thang now, but back then people were as shocked and panicked by them as people are by Mass Shooters now.

The Serial Killers were the end of free rein, it was the origin of Helicopter Parenting.  

Mass Shooters will reach oversaturation at some point, and at that point, the only way to truly grab infamy will be to get multiple mass shootings in, instead of committing suicide by cop or committing suicide after by their own hand, or turning themselves in, they`ll hit and run and keep it going as long as possible, while trolling the media at every turn.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Mass Shooters will reach oversaturation at some point, and at that point, the only way to truly grab infamy will be to get multiple mass shootings in, instead of committing suicide by cop or committing suicide after.

Indeed, and also multiple mass shooters, teams of mass shooters, Manson Family, Weather Underground, Unabomber, Columbine, Oklahoma City, it's all converging.

[Dougie93]

Thus is the downfall of the Democrats, Bad Orange Man is not a cause, he's an effect, it's not an aberration, it's a revolution.

The Information Age Revolution. It's not the guns, it's the media.

 

[Dougie93]

4th Generation Warfare, that's the North Vietnamese, they won the war by way of the media, they lost on the battlefield but won on tv.

5th Generation Warfare; same effects, no NVA required, Mass Shooters can change the course of history, a Serial Killer army, Accelerationism FTW

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

4th Generation Warfare, that's the North Vietnamese, they won the war by way of the media, they lost on the battlefield but won on tv.

5th Generation Warfare; same effects, no NVA required, Mass Shooters can change the course of history, a Serial Killer army, Accelerationism FTW

In the face of a serial killer army, who is more likely to get elected, the party that is tough on crime, or the party that is soft on crime? Maybe we should ask George McGovern, perhaps he knows.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

In the face of a serial killer army, who is more likely to get elected, the party that is tough on crime, or the party that is soft on crime? Maybe we should ask George McGovern, perhaps he knows.

The Democrats can't avoid it.

Again, they are Jeffersonian, all about process.

Chaos incites the masses to turn to the fierce angel, Jacksonian ends justify the means.

Bad Orange Man FTW.

Return to Normalcy in the face of the onset of the Information Age Revolution, just as it was in the 1920's, when the Industrial Age storm hit the Agrarian.

Hawley-Smoot was to protect the farmers from the future, now it is for saving the factory workers.

It's not going to work, but the Buggy Whips will vote for it.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

The imperative for the Bad Orange Man will be to not make the deal with China until the last moment.

Make the deal too early and people will have a chance to evaluate its effects, which won't be much.

Make the deal right before the election, then nobody has time to evaluate it, it's a Jacksonian victory to run on, without data for Jeffersonian process to use to debunk it.

[Yzermandius19]

29 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The imperative for the Bad Orange Man will be to not make the deal with China until the last moment.

Make the deal too early and people will have a chance to evaluate its effects, which won't be much.

Make the deal right before the election, then nobody has time to evaluate it, it's a Jacksonian victory to run on, without data for Jeffersonian process to use to debunk it.

You think Trump is going to get that deal done in time or will the Chinese roll the dice and hope he doesn`t get reelected in 2020?

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You think Trump is going to get that deal done in time or will the Chinese roll the dice and hope he doesn`t get reelected in 2020?

I think the Chinese are just responding to him, soon as he knocks it off, they will knock it off,  I think they see him as an opportunist, but that is actually easier to deal with than an Ideologue, I think they see it as theater, going through the motions.

Bear in mind the Communist view of democracy and the time frame they are operating on. The Communists have no election cycle, they just wait democracies out.

This is Xi Jinping, this is Stalin, he's not worried about a trade war, he rules with an iron fist, he's not going feel any pressure whoever the American President is,  and phony wars do not scare him.

If they were facing JFK and a naval blockade, then the Chinese might get rattled, but they ain't getting rattled by the Bad Orange Man and his kabuki theater for domestic consumption.

With a Stalinist dictatorship Beijing can direct China to tighten their belts and hunker down, whereas democracies can't play that game, so I don't think the Chinese take this seriously, they are more concerned with preparing for the contingency of an ideologue and an actual war, a military confrontation.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

39 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I think the Chinese are just responding to him, soon as he knocks it off, they will knock it off,  I think they see him as an opportunist, but that is actually easier to deal with than an Ideologue, I think they see it as theater, going through the motions.

Bear in mind the Communist view of democracy and the time frame they are operating on. The Communists have no election cycle, they just wait democracies out.

This is Xi Jinping, this is Stalin, he's not worried about a trade war, he rules with an iron fist, he's not going feel any pressure whoever the American President is,  and phony wars do not scare him.

If they were facing JFK and a naval blockade, then the Chinese might get rattled, but they ain't getting rattled by the Bad Orange Man and his kabuki theater for domestic consumption.

With a Stalinist dictatorship Beijing can direct China to tighten their belts and hunker down, whereas democracies can't play that game, so I don't think the Chinese take this seriously, they are more concerned with preparing for the contingency of an ideologue and an actual war, a military confrontation.

Seems like the Democrats will have hard time pitching that they are tougher on China than Trump, given that kabuki theatre. Only Nixon can go to China though, so they probably realize they are better off under Trump, unless they have no intention of making a deal with America, and want to invite a military confrontation for some weird reason, that would be pretty stupid though, the Chinese aren`t that dumb, are they?

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Seems like the Democrats will have hard time pitching that they are tougher on China than Trump, given that kabuki theatre. Only Nixon can go to China though, so they probably realize they are better off under Trump, unless they have no intention of making a deal with America, and want to invite a military confrontation for some weird reason, that would be pretty stupid though, the Chinese aren`t that dumb, are they?

The Chinese position in the East and South China seas is already a military confrontation, I mean, they were buzzing a Canadian warship in there just the other day, they are confronting all the time, the Chinese are aggressive in the China Seas, so that could spiral at any moment really, they're already quite reckless about it.

I mean, this Xi Jinping is a totally different animal, he doesn't care about business, he's not a businessman, he is reordering things in China, for war.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Chinese position in the East and South China seas is already a military confrontation, I mean, they were buzzing a Canadian warship in there just the other day, they are confronting all the time, the Chinese are aggressive in the China Seas, so that could spiral at any moment really, they're already quite reckless about it.

So not reckless enough to go looking for a confrontation with America, but reckless enough that they might bumble into one anyway.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

So not reckless enough to go looking for a confrontation with America, but reckless enough that they might bumble into one anyway.

Yeah, like once you start playing like the Chinese are now, you're not fully in control of how people are going to react.

Look at Hong Kong, was inciting a revolt good for business?   Nope, but Xi Jinping is consolidating power, he doesn't care about Milton Friedman.

[Dougie93]

Xi Jinping is  a reaction against Chimerica as well, the Communists didn't like where things were going, too much freedom, too much Western Influence, Trump is a reaction to globalization, and so is Xi

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Yeah, like once you start playing like the Chinese are now, you're not fully in control of how people are going to react.

Look at Hong Kong, was inciting a revolt good for business?   Nope, but Xi Jinping is consolidating power, he doesn't care about Milton Friedman.

Xi Jinping better be careful what he wishes for though, because bumbling your way into a military confrontation with America is a pretty shitty way to consolidate power. If you are going to confront them, best wait until you're in a much stronger position than China is now.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Xi Jinping better be careful what he wishes for though, because bumbling your way into a military confrontation with America is a pretty shitty way to consolidate power.

Actually the opposite, with full on wartime powers, Xi is all powerful, he's a Communist, this is not the liberal reformer Chinese, this is old school.

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Actually the opposite, with full on wartime powers, Xi is all powerful, he's a Communist, this is not the liberal reformer Chinese, this is old school.

Why wouldn't he wait until he's in a stronger position? Confronting America now could end up with China getting f*cked up real bad, and how is that good for him consolidating power, when the power he'll be consolidating will be significantly reduced?

Edited August 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Why wouldn't he wait until he's in a stronger position? Confronting America now could end up with China getting f*cked up real bad, and how is that good for him consolidating power, not seeing how provoking a war with America helps China.

They can't wait when America has begun to build a comprehensive Ballistic Missile Defense, that is a first strike enabler, the Americans have abandoned MAD, this is Cold War Two, the Chinese are reacting like the Russians are, the Americans have re-initiated an arms race by sending the signal that they are preparing to fight and win a nuclear war.

[Dougie93]

This is what I mean about Escalation Dominance, if you can't match the Americans technologically,  the technological first strike enabler the Americans are building, you have to back them off by some other means.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

This is what I mean about Escalation Dominance, if you can't match the Americans technologically,  the technological first strike enabler the Americans are building, you have to back them off by some other means.

Oh so waiting too long will result in China being in an even weaker position, so it's better to fight soonish, to maximize their chances of victory, even if those chances are still really low?

Edited August 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Oh so waiting too long will result in China being in an even weaker position, so it's better to fight soonish, to maximize their chances of victory, even if those chances are still really low?

That's how the Russians and Chinese see it, hence why Crimea, hence why China Seas, that's Anti-Access Area Denial (A2AD)

They are reacting to the United States Missile Defense Agency and Ballistic Missile Defense.  It's not about where it's at now, it's about where it is going and how fast.

Bear in mind why the Soviets and Americans put the ABM treaty in place.  It was fear, fear of where things would go in an ABM arms race.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

The Chinese are particularly vulnerable to BMD, their nuclear deterrent is nowhere near as big and comprehensive as the Soviet one the Russians have.

The Chinese nuclear forces are rather modest compared to the Russians and Americans.

Chinese forces in general lack striking range, most of what they have couldn't even hit Guam never mind the CONUS.