The road to 2020

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

That's how the Russians and Chinese see it, hence why Crimea, hence why China Seas, that's Anti-Access Area Denial (A2AD)

They are reacting to the United States Missile Defense Agency and Ballistic Missile Defense.  It's not about where it's at now, it's about where it is going and how fast.

Bear in mind why the Soviets and Americans put the ABiM treaty in place.  It was fear, fear of where things would go is an ABM arms race.

It's a game of chicken. The only way America loses is if they back down, even in a collision, they'll get the better of the collision by a country mile. China is completely screwed unless America goes pansy and simply lets them win as to not rock the boat.

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[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

It's a game of chicken. The only way America loses is if they back down, even in a collision, they'll get the better of the collision by a country mile. China is completely screwed unless America goes pansy and simply lets them win as to not rock the boat.

Well, the Americans say and do things for domestic consumption, talking tough for the American public to get elected, Jacksonian ends justify the means, but the things politicians say in America strike fear in the hearts of Russia and China.

Not that Congress wouldn't probably block it, but when Trump says he might use the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977, that is a big stick.

That would be an embargo for all intents and purposes, and embargoes are acts of war.

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[Dougie93]

The whole bourgeois Neoliberal model in the West of using economic war instead of brandishing the nukes, is misguided.

Economic war is war, that is the stuff shooting wars are made of, the economic war is the thing which pushes people backs against the wall forcing them to come out swinging.

Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 embargo, would cause the Chinese economy to go into a spiral overnight, that breaks Chimerica and when it does, everybody would flee out of China in expectation of the brink of war coming next.

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[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The whole bourgeois Neoliberal model in the West of using economic war instead of brandishing the nukes, is misguided.

Economic war is war, that is the stuff shooting wars are made of, the economic war is the thing which pushes people backs against the wall forcing them to come out swinging.

If they come out swinging, knock them the f*ck out, that'll teach em'. China ain't nobody.

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[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

If they come out swinging, knock them the f*ck out. China ain't nobody.

It would be a conventional stalemate, the Chinese can A2AD close to their shores, but they can't strike back, the Americans could strike, but not wipe them out conventionally, and that is when things escalate to a nuclear confrontation, Escalation Dominance incites Brinkmanship.

Then the Chinese have to decide if they are going to back down like the Soviets in 1962, or take it further than we've ever gone before.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It would be a conventional stalemate, the Chinese can A2AD close to their shores, but they can't strike back, the Americans could strike, but not wipe them out conventionally, and that is when things escalate to a nuclear confrontation, Escalation Dominance incites Brinkmanship.

Then the Chinese have to decide if they are going to back down like the Soviets in 1962, or take it further than we've ever gone before.

Just nuke their nukes right out the gate, don't even give them the option to commit suicide by going to the nukes first. Out escalate the escalators, that'll teach em'.

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[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Just nuke their nukes right out the gate, don't even give them the option to commit suicide by going to the nukes first. Out escalate the escalators, that'll teach em'.

The Americans aren't there yet, the Supercounterforce is being built, but its not finished, although they haven't ramped up to full speed at this juncture, in order to get to Supercounterforce, you need a Reagan Administration rapid build up, but the Americans are distracted by domestic politics, Cold War Two is in the background, but Trump Derangement Syndrome blocks out the sky.

 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Americans aren't there yet, the Supercounterforce is being built, but its not finished, although they haven't ramped up to full speed at this juncture, in order to get to Supercounterforce, you need a Reagan Administration rapid build up, but the Americans are distracted by domestic politics, Cold War Two is in the background, but Trump Derangement Syndrome blocks out the sky.

 

Trump needs to use the TDS to bring Cold War Two into the foreground, and force the Democrats to defend China by getting tougher on them, and then once they take the bait, keep hammering that home with the tweets.

Give the Dems that Pro-Chicom rope so they can hang themselves.

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[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump needs to use the TDS to bring Cold War Two into the foreground, and force the Democrats to defend China by getting tough on them, and then once they take the bait, keep hammering that home with the tweets.

The thing about Reagan Administration Rapid Build up; sho would jump start the economy out of deflation.

The MICC is the one part of the economy the government actually controls, and instead of being deflationary stimulus, it would be inflationary.

Also, an increase in tensions will incite the Flight to Quality into overdrive as money flees the war zone.

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

The thing about Reagan Administration Rapid Build up; sho would jump start the economy out of deflation.

The MICC is the one part of the economy the government actually controls, and instead of being deflationary stimulus, it would be inflationary.

Also, an increase in tensions will incite the Flight to Quality into overdrive as money flees the war zone.

Donald Trump, New Cold Warrior, embrace it.

[Dougie93]

 

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Donald Trump, New Cold Warrior, embrace it.

Hawley-Smoot caused the Depression, but it wasn't the New Deal that got them out, it was a rapid military build up inciting inflation and associated investment.

[Dougie93]

What they are doing right now, Return to Normalcy, this is what caused the Second World War.

2008 was the Crash,  Policy Stimulus is the deflationary New Deal, Hawley-Smoot will make it worse, next comes war.

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She gets around, looks like she's flipping the Islam allows 4 wives  rule   LOL

[Yzermandius19]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

What they are doing right now, Return to Normalcy, this is what caused the Second World War.

2008 was the Crash,  Policy Stimulus is the deflationary New Deal, Hawley-Smoot will make it worse, next comes war.

But Smoot-Hawley came before the New Deal, Smoot-Hawley was Hoover, New Deal was FDR. Not that Hoover didn't go the policy stimulus as well, just saying.

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Skipped over the last two pages of garbage... time to get this thread back on track....

Sanders is up in the poles now too!

Here is how the media is treating Tulsi.

 

[Yzermandius19]

Bernie's national polling has held steady since mid-May. There was that one poll that had him up in NH though.

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[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

But Smoot-Hawley came before the New Deal, Smoot-Hawley was Hoover, New Deal was FDR. Not that Hoover didn't go the policy stimulus as well, just saying.

Doesn't really matter what order they do it in, it all goes to the same place.

This is why there is so much fear in the markets, doesn't matter what they say at Jackson Hole, people can see that they've pretty much blown their wad already.

When the correction comes, they can't do 2008 again, they're already doing it, the spigot is pretty much wide open already.

The policy stimulus is not real growth, it's causing the opposite of real growth, real growth requires inflation, policy stimulus is inciting deflation.

Once you get to zero, or below, which is where most of the world is now, there's nothing left in the quiver, and yet the real economy is still moribund.

If they throw Hawley-Smoot in on top, now you're on the brink of deflationary spiral with no way to get yourself out, and that is called a Depression.

At which point, Hegemons try to break out, like the Nazis and Japanese, they go to war to break out.

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[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Doesn't really matter what order they do it in, it all goes to the same place.

This is why there is so much fear in the markets, doesn't matter what they say at Jackson Hole, people can see that they've pretty much blown their wad already.

When the correction comes, they can't do 2008 again, they're already doing it, the spigot is pretty much wide open already.

The policy stimulus is not real growth, it's causing the opposite of real growth, real growth requires inflation, policy stimulus is inciting deflation.

Once you get to zero, or below, which is where most of the world is now, there's nothing left in the quiver, and yet the real economy is still moribund.

If they throw Hawley-Smoot in on top, now you're on the brink of deflation spiral with no way to get yourself out, and that is called a Depression.

The New Deal deepened the depression, a Reagan like build up would shorten it. MIC Stimulus is the effective stimulus, inflationary over deflationary ftw.

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[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

The New Deal deepened the depression, a Reagan like build up would shorten it.

The New Deal and Hawley-Smoot are simply deflationary.

The New Deal is desperation to try to get out the ditch by policy stimulus, which doesn't work

Because without inflation you get the so called Strike of Capital, without inflation there is no returns on investment, so people just sit on the sidelines.  

Hawley-Smoot blocks the other way out, which would be to stimulate by trade liberalization, but protected entrenched interests which control the agenda won't allow it.

Then you're in a trap, it spreads by contagion, then other Hegemons start to do desperate things to break out, so they don't get overthrown by their own people.

They scapegoat somebody else and direct the rage of the masses towards that, in a war, which is also a smash and grab to steal things to fund yourself.

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The New Deal and Hawley-Smoot are simply deflationary.

The New Deal is desperation to try to get out the ditch by policy stimulus, which doesn't work

Because without inflation you get the so called Strike of Capital, without inflation there is no returns on investment, so people just sit on the sidelines.  

Hawley-Smoot blocks the other way out, which would be to stimulate by trade liberalization, but protected entrenched interests which control the agenda won't allow it.

Then you're in a trap, it spreads by contagion, then other Hegemons start to do desperate things to break out, so they don't get overthrown by their own people.

They scapegoat somebody else and direct the rage of the masses towards that, in a war, which is also a smash and grab to steal things to fund yourself.

Printing the cash, inflating the moneys,
Calling up China, yo we straight outta twenties.

All up in the club we be loudin' out,
While in the market, yeah we be crowding out.

On the beach getting tan and sipping Corona,
I got a monetary plan, and it involves a lot of toner.

 

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[Dougie93]

Right now the Americans are staving off the Strike of Capital by driving everybody into the equity markets, inflation of stock prices.

Trump is bashing on his own Fed for even slightly backing off of that, and so the Fed is not backing off.

Anytime the central banks try to wind the policy stimulus down, the politicians freak out, and since the politicians can hire and fire the bank chairmen, they are not really that much at arms length.

All the politicians can think about is the next election, the fake economy crashing is going to bring them down, so they keep punting the Depression into the future, where they hope it will be somebody else's problem by then.

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[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Right now the Americans are staving off the Strike of Capital by driving everybody into the equity markets, inflation of stock prices.

Trump is bashing on his own Fed for even slightly backing off of that, and so the Fed is not backing off.

Anytime the central banks try to wind the policy stimulus down, the politicians freak out, and since the politicians can hire and fire the bank chairmen, they are not really that much at arms length.

All the politicians can think about is the next election, the fake economy crashing is going to bring them down, so they keep punting the Depression into the future, where they hope it will be somebody else's problem by then.

Oh man, you should see some of the dolts on the MHF claiming that an economic downturn won't hurt Trump, because the public will realize it's all a vast left wing conspiracy to hurt Trump and everybody knows it , so they'll just give him a pass and blame the media, deep state and democrats instead.

Absolutely hilarious.

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[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Oh man, you should see some of the dolts on the MHF claiming that an economic downturn won't hurt Trump, because the public will realize it's all vast left wing conspiracy to hurt Trump and everybody knows it.

Absolutely hilarious.

I don't know how much it would actually hurt him,  is the base going to abandon him?  Where can they go?

The hatred of the opposition could indeed prop him up, the Democrats are not offering much of an alternative, and they are the trannies and the homos and the neckbeards and the radical feminists, speech banning, gun grabbing, freedom haters all.

In the face of the commies, Red Team is backs against the wall,

Like Trump is not purely economic angst, Return to Normalcy is not just economics, Normalcy is rallying around the Nostalgia for the America That Never Was.

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[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't know how much it would actually hurt him,  is the base going to abandon him?  Where can they go?

The hatred of the opposition could indeed prop him up, the Democrats are not offering much of an alternative, and they are the trannies and the homos and the neckbeards and radical feminists.

In the face of the commies, Red Team is backs against the wall,

Like Trump is not purely economic angst, Return to Normalcy is not just economics, Normalcy is rallying around the Nostalgia for the America That Never Was.

Trump could still win if the economy goes in the crapper, it might not hurt him as much as it would hurt most in his position, but an economic downturn certainly won't help him, and I don't see how it doesn't at least hurt a little. I mean if Trump is teflon even in the face of a bad economy on election day, he's a political genius. That's FDR territory, and even in that case, the bad economy still hurt FDR, just not enough to lose. If Trump is unphased by it, that's next level right there.

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[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump could still win if the economy goes in the crapper, it might not hurt him as much as it would hurt most in his position, but an economic downturn certainly won't help him, and I don't see how it doesn't at least hurt a little. I mean if Trump is teflon even in the face of bad economy, he's a political genius, that's FDR territory, and even in that case, it still hurt FDR, just not enough to lose.

If the deflationary spiral comes with the correction, that could incite more people to the radical right.

What actually happens in an economic catastrophe is that people recoil from the future,  Wiemar Republic snaps back hard into National Socialism.

Contrary to popular myth, the Romanov's were not overthrown because of an economic crash, Russia's economy wasn't in crisis, in fact the war had it firing on all cylinders with the peasants being brought into the cities to work in the factories, because there was a surplus of work not a shortage.

When the Depression came, the right actually took over in the Soviet Union too; enter Stalin.