The road to 2020

[Infidel Dog]

Here ya go though Argus. I read you attaching credibility to some little known Fox News contributor's tweet. Did you know that strange, Proggy looking infiltrator broad you were glorying to was just talking up some unknown source and is actually an outlier at Fox?

Here's a better known broadcaster from Fox taking up the story. You may not like him because some of his evidence is based on what he saw with his own eyes on the ground, but he also uses some anonymous sources. You seem to put more credence in those so enjoy:

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[DogOnPorch]

Fun Fact: John Roberts = J.D. Roberts of Much Music fame.

[Infidel Dog]

On 9/4/2020 at 1:06 PM, Argus said:

Oddly, the only evidence of an organized voter fraud of this type happened in North Carolina. Guess who did it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47323556

I'd agree with you that mail-in voter fraud happens. I'd disagree with your claim it only happened that one time.

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Abundant, current, and terrifying proof of vote fraud is staggeringly simple to find online. The Heritage Foundation’s priceless database details 1,113 criminal convictions for vote fraud, including 192 for “Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots” since January 1, 2000. These include just two such convictions in 2004, a peak of 23 in 2010, and 14 as recently as 2017.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/vote-fraud-trump-deroy-murdock

Edited September 6, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[DogOnPorch]

Like a cornered wounded beast, the Democrats will lash-out with anything in hopes of the Valkyries arriving and saving the Reich...I mean: in hopes saving their election

Edited September 6, 2020 by DogOnPorch

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Fun Fact: John Roberts = J.D. Roberts of Much Music fame.

JD interviewed the president. He's come a long way from those late-night stints on City-TV, 2 am, with red eyes.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

JD interviewed the president. He's come a long way from those late-night stints on City-TV, 2 am, with red eyes.

His former job was more respectable.

[DogOnPorch]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

His former job was more respectable.

 

Perhaps try to get him canceled for his lack of respectability...towards you.

[OftenWrong]

41 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

His former job was more respectable.

I think JD has become very respectable, from what I saw of the interview clips. That was a couple months ago, I believe.

Just wondering, did you see them at all? Because I don't recall any partisan sniping or questions that open the door for controversy. JD seemed more of an old-school, polite reporter, not journalist. We should give credit where it's due.

[Argus]

10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Here ya go though Argus. I read you attaching credibility to some little known Fox News contributor's tweet. Did you know that strange, Proggy looking infiltrator broad you were glorying to was just talking up some unknown source and is actually an outlier at Fox?

If you're referring to Jennifer Griffen she is FOX news's pentagon/national security correspondent. As such I would expect she has a lot more contact with military people. Wouldn't you? But let's see what other FOX News correspondents say.

“Jennifer @JenGriffinFNC is a great reporter and a total class act,” chief political anchor Bret Baier wrote.

“Jennifer Griffin is the kind of reporter we all strive to be like,” said national correspondent Bryan Llenas. “She’s courageous, smart, ethical, fair and a class act. She’s earned the trust of viewers throughout a distinguished career and is credible.”

“@JenGriffinFNC is a terrific reporter and a wonderful colleague,” State Department correspondent Rich Edson wrote.

“I’ll forever stand by @JenGriffinFNC,” said senior news producer Rocco Aloe.

“Jennifer Griffin is all you want in a journalist and a friend,” wrote senior field producer Yonat Friling. “She’s smart, courageous, she strives for professionalism and the truth. I am so proud to be her colleague.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/jennifer-griffin-defended-by-fox-news-colleagues-after-trump-twitter-attack-over-her-confirmation-of-atlantic-reporting/

10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Here's a better known broadcaster from Fox taking up the story. You may not like him because some of his evidence is based on what he saw with his own eyes on the ground, but he also uses some anonymous sources. You seem to put more credence in those so enjoy:

He's their White House guy. So the people who would have spoken to would likely have been political people at the White House. You realize how laughable it is for you to accuse me of preferring one reporter over the other while you're doing the exact same thing, don't you?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/515274-fox-news-reporter-defends-confirming-atlantic-piece-i-feel-very-confident

[Argus]

9 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I'd agree with you that mail-in voter fraud happens. I'd disagree with your claim it only happened that one time.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/vote-fraud-trump-deroy-murdock

Wow! Fourteen whole cases in 2017! Shocking. 

[Infidel Dog]

Fourteen times the one time you suggested was the only time it ever happened. 192 times that if you go back 20 years. And much more than that if you go global.

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In 2006 the Council of Europe opened an investigation into allegations of “widespread absent vote fraud,” particularly on the back of a Birmingham (UK) judge declaring that he had heard evidence of fraud that “would disgrace a banana republic.”

Later that year, politicians from the Liberal Democrat Party were found guilty of postal vote rigging, while fraudulent activity had been reported in London, Coventry, Bradford, Northern Ireland, and beyond.

In one instance, 30,000 names were removed from the ballot in just one British city after major fraud was alleged.

A leading UK charity published a report authored by Dr. Stuart Wilks-Heeg of the University of Liverpool in 2008. It said: “Greater use of postal voting has made UK elections far more vulnerable to fraud and resulted in several instances of large-scale fraud.”

The Council of Europe’s own report found, that same year:

“It does not take an experienced election observer, or election fraudster, to see that the combination of the household registration system without personal identifiers and the postal vote on demand arrangements make the election system in Great Britain very vulnerable to electoral fraud.”

https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/mail-in-ballot-fraud-is-real/

[Infidel Dog]

Also those are just the times they got caught and don't include the problems created from simple flaws in the system. Ask New York about those.

"Mail-out" voting (as opposed to "Mail-in") is a dumb idea, so of course the Democrats want it. What about you Argus? Are you for it?

[Infidel Dog]

As far as Jennifer Griffin goes, I'd never heard of her before. I had heard of John Roberts. 

I just looked her up though. Apparently she's married to a guy from National Public Radio.

I stand by my assessment that she looks "proggy."

She's not a big fan of Trump's this isn't the first time she's attacked him with gossip from an unknown source.

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It’s not the first time Griffin’s reporting has been perceived as unfriendly to the Trump Administration.

Politico wrote an article in which Griffin was described as “the Fox reporter who is bedeviling Trump on Syria.” The article was based on a tweet Griffin sent, which described a statement Trump made as “untrue.”

https://heavy.com/news/2020/09/jennifer-griffin/

Let's say that one more time so it sinks in. It was a tweet. It was what amounts to gossip. And it originated from an unknown source.

That's becoming her MO and this is who you want to put forward as the final word on the matter. Good luck with that.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

1. I think JD has become very respectable, from what I saw of the interview clips. That was a couple months ago, I believe.

2. Just wondering, did you see them at all? Because I don't recall any partisan sniping or questions that open the door for controversy. JD seemed more of an old-school, polite reporter, not journalist. We should give credit where it's due.

1. He's been in the job for years.  Respectable ?  Old whores and old buildings, etc...
2. You mean he asks softball questions and ignores contradictions from the interview subject ?  Good for him, in that he can make a lot of money doing that.  Lots of other jobs pay well too, many of them dishonourable.

[WestCanMan]

On 9/5/2020 at 12:07 PM, Argus said:

It hasn't been debunked AT ALL. You're just making shit up.  Even a FOX news reporter says they can confirm key parts of the story. And she isn't the only one AP has also confirmed it with sources.

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-reporter-confirmed-atlantics-story-about-trump-insulting-fallen-troops-fox-hosts

 

It was publicly debunked by the actual parties to the conversation, there's video of Bolton saying that it didn't happen, and it's now officially debunked until someone who actually heard it first hand steps up.

You're comparing "she said he said" to first-hand accounts of the story. That's pathetic.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. It was publicly debunked by the actual parties to the conversation, there's video of Bolton saying that it didn't happen, and it's now officially debunked until someone who actually heard it first hand steps up.

2. You're comparing "she said he said" to first-hand accounts of the story. That's pathetic.

1. There were multiple conversations and it was confirmed by FOX, CNN and others by sources in the inner circle.  NOT officially debunked, but rather confirmed.
2. It's 'they said' as in multiple people have reported this.

Trump is on record as disparaging John McCain because he was captured - this from a man who avoided the draft and has shown himself to have low character.

It's shameful that so many have been duped by him.
 

[Infidel Dog]

10 Witnesses Go On Record: Atlantic 'Troops' Report is an Anti-Trump Hoax

Would you like to know who those 10 witnesses are and exactly what they said as opposed to your 4 unknown possible sources who possibly gossiped opinions they possibly had.

The link has a few of them.

There's also this concerning the gossip mongers over at the Atlantic who suddenly turned up with a years old anti-Trump rumor 2 months before the election:

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The Daily Caller News Foundation also reported late this week that the owner of The Atlantic is a Biden megadonor who is in frequent contact with the person who authored the report.

Get off the Progressive information teat man. Start by deleting your Google link. There's a whole new world of information out there.

For example did you know the American economy is recovering hard...again? So how are you guys with your fingers in your ears (figuratively) going to explain that one when it becomes so evident it can't be denied, just like the last Trump orchestrated recovery did?

What about the peace he's been negotiating between previous foes like Israel and the UAE or Kosovo and Serbia? Are you allowed to hear about stuff like that over in the land of the TDS?

Edited September 6, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Wow! Fourteen whole cases in 2017! Shocking. 

What's shocking is how pathetic your reply to that post was.

Included in those 'fourteen' items were people making hundreds of fraudulent ballots, someone fraudulently requesting 1,800 ballots for people without their consent, and a group scamming 700 seniors of their votes.

Your '14' includes thousands of votes, and that's just the people who got caught.

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 Deisy Cabrera pleaded guilty in 2013 to being a boletera or absentee-ballot broker. Police observed her mailing 19 absentee ballots and caught her with 12 more. Her notebook, dubbed “Deisy’s Voters,” included names and addresses of some 500 voters, largely Hispanic seniors in Hialeah, Fla. Cabrera labeled them as illiterate, deaf, blind, or plagued by Alzheimer’s.

 What you are pretending to be unable to grasp is that fact that the mass mailing of ballots opens up a whole new world of fraud, where election cheaters don't need to go through an exhaustive and risky process of creating a bunch of fake IDs and driving to different polling booths to vote (where they could also be busted for multiple other felonies including impersonation, creating fake IDs, etc).

I find it really hard to believe that anyone is that stupid.

You're also pretending to know that because 14 people got caught, that constitutes proof that no one ever got away cheating on elections. That's idiotic. There's not a 100% arrest rate on any crime known to man. Not even on murder, and there's usually lots of evidence of a murder and the exact place timeline is also usually known. Election fraud takes place at any time over the course of several weeks, in unknown locations spread out over ten million square kilometers, and the evidence isn't as obvious as a head with a sword in it or a missing person. 

So which one is it Argus, are you lying or are you just not able to comprehend the things that the rest of us find simple, and straightforward?

All that, and I still haven't even mentioned the grand-daddy of all reason why mail-in ballots might be extremely susceptible to voting fraud: IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT DEMS AND THEIR MINIONS ALREADY HAVE A MAIL-IN VOTING SCAM THAT THEY HAVE SUCCESSFULLY RUN IN THE PAST. In fact, given the fact that so many people have tried election scams on mail-in voting in the past, it's entirely likely that someone has gotten away with it on a large scale before, and so they know how to get away with it again.

I've watched US elections on TV before where they say things like "X candidate is up by 700 votes, but polling has yet to come in from Y county, which is likely going to swing the vote in favour of candidate Q." What if postal workers know what counties they should 'lose' hundreds of ballots from? Thousands? 

 

Mail-in is being pimped by the Dems because they are the slimiest bunch of humans on earth and they intend to scam this election, period. 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

56 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. There were multiple conversations and it was confirmed by FOX, CNN and others by sources in the inner circle.  NOT officially debunked, but rather confirmed.
2. It's 'they said' as in multiple people have reported this.

It wasn't 'confirmed by Fox' at all, that's a lie. One member of Fox news cited anonymous sources. 

"Confirmed by CNN" is like the official seal of "didn't happen". 

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Trump is on record as disparaging John McCain because he was captured - this from a man who avoided the draft and has shown himself to have low character.

Trump is on record as saying that 'being captured doesn't make McCain a war hero' and he is 100% correct. Performing acts of valour or incredible service are the only actual ways to be a war 'hero'. McCain merely served, and sacrificed greatly. FYI, sometimes the people who survive the longest in POW camps are the actual traitors.

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It's shameful that so many have been duped by him.

LMAO, you just said 'confirmed by CNN', and it's 2020.

Unless you're around 16 years old you've got literally no excuse whatsoever. 

[ironstone]

But doesn't Nancy Pelosi's hair look wonderful?

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Also those are just the times they got caught and don't include the problems created from simple flaws in the system. Ask New York about those.

"Mail-out" voting (as opposed to "Mail-in") is a dumb idea, so of course the Democrats want it. What about you Argus? Are you for it?

Look. I couldn't care less what you Trumpers have to say on the subject. The absolutely undeniable, rock-solid proof that it's not easy to successfully cheat with mail-in ballots is that Trump is opposing their use. Because no one involved in politics in the United States has fewer morals or less integrity than Donald J Trump. It if it was easy to cheat with them he'd be encouraging mail-in ballots because that bastard will cheat any way he can. Cheating at things is the story of his life. He's cheated at everything from business to school to marriage. He has less integrity than a pimp.

Edited September 6, 2020 by Argus

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. He's been in the job for years.  Respectable ?  Old whores and old buildings, etc...
2. You mean he asks softball questions and ignores contradictions from the interview subject ?  Good for him, in that he can make a lot of money doing that.  Lots of other jobs pay well too, many of them dishonourable.

 

Answer question, please.

 

[Shady]

34 minutes ago, Argus said:

Look. I couldn't care less what you Trumpers have to say on the subject. The absolutely undeniable, rock-solid proof that it's not easy to successfully cheat with mail-in ballots

It is the way the Democrats want to do it.  What’s wrong with the current absentee ballot system.  Where somebody requests a ballot, provides ID etc?  Why do Democrats want to move away from that system?

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Answer question, please.

Did I see interview clips from Roberts and Trump from a few months ago ?  I don't recall seeing them.  I saw Chris Wallace and he was a fair amount tougher, following up questions to a point and so on.

[OftenWrong]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Did I see interview clips from Roberts and Trump from a few months ago ?  I don't recall seeing them.  I saw Chris Wallace and he was a fair amount tougher, following up questions to a point and so on.

He was tougher than that which you didn't see? Make sense, man or go away. I have told you before.