bush_cheney2004 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Argus said: Trump imposes 10% tariff in order to please Russia. Actually, he imposed the tariff to please some voters in Ohio and other swing states. If pleasing Russia also drives Canada nuts, then that is just a side benefit. I hope Freeland doesn't cry again.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Actually, he imposed the tariff to please some voters in Ohio and other swing states. Are you as ignorant of the basic realities of economics as he is? He announced, in effect, higher aluminum prices at the factory which will have to pay those higher prices. For every job in aluminum the US will likely lose 5 in manufacturing. 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If pleasing Russia also drives Canada nuts, then that is just a side benefit. There was a time when Republicans hated Russia. Now they want nothing more than for Russia to take over their country. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Argus said: Are you as ignorant of the basic realities of economics as he is? He announced, in effect, higher aluminum prices at the factory which will have to pay those higher prices. For every job in aluminum the US will likely lose 5 in manufacturing. So what ? The US has lost millions of jobs due to the pandemic already. Do you really think Americans go to retail outlets worried about the impact of aluminum tariffs on Canada ? Get real.... Quote There was a time when Republicans hated Russia. Now they want nothing more than for Russia to take over their country. Trump is not a true Republican, and I have never been a Republican. Canadians use Russia as a bogeyman to try and influence U.S. policy...even before Trump. ...that's what NATO deadbeats do. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So what ? The US has lost millions of jobs due to the pandemic already. Do you really think Americans go to retail outlets worried about the impact of aluminum tariffs on Canada ? Get real.... Who said anything about Canada? Your own chamber of commerce says this will cost American jobs. There is no industry in the US which supports these tariffs. Including the aluminum industry. Because it's bad for America. Evidently that's not something that's important to you just so long as Trump pisses off Canada. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/trump-canada-aluminum-tariffs-392386 Quote Trump is not a true Republican, and I have never been a Republican. Canadians use Russia as a bogeyman to try and influence U.S. policy...even before Trump. ...that's what NATO deadbeats do. Another Putin worshiper, I see. Edited August 7, 2020 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Argus said: Who said anything about Canada? Your own chamber of commerce says this will cost American jobs. There is no industry in the US which supports these tariffs. Including the aluminum industry. Because it's bad for America. Evidently that's not something that's important to you just so long as Trump pisses off Canada. Trump's original steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada were net positive for U.S. production capacity, the stated goal back then. Since when does Canada care about what is good or bad for America...more like Canadian self interest. Quote Another Putin worshiper, I see. Oh, so scary. Putin is coming ! The U.S. import and export economy is far more diversified than Canada's....there's your trouble...long before Trump. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
OftenWrong Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 It should be noted carefully by all you Trump haters that the more Canada push itself away from doing business with America, the more we go in with China. They are our new socio-economic task masters. Let's just say it's not the kind of culture we want to embrace for our future, imo. Totally the wrong move. Meantime you financial big wheeler-dealers would do well to brush up on Cantonese. Quote
Argus Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 57 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's original steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada were net positive for U.S. production capacity, the stated goal back then. Not for manufacturing. It cost manufacturing jobs because their input costs rose. And now he's slapping a tariff on Canadian aluminum for 'national security' while increasing Russian imports! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Argus said: Not for manufacturing. It cost manufacturing jobs because their input costs rose. And now he's slapping a tariff on Canadian aluminum for 'national security' while increasing Russian imports! Why are you so obsessed with Russia, even as Canada is a NATO deadbeat...a Trump refrain. What is so special about Canada in this regard ? Trump's policies did increase manufacturing jobs.... https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fchuckdevore%2Ffiles%2F2019%2F07%2FManufacturing-Job-State-Level-1200x675.jpg Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted August 7, 2020 Report Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Why are you so obsessed with Russia, even as Canada is a NATO deadbeat...a Trump refrain. Why are you obsessed with Canada? 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's policies did increase manufacturing jobs.... Massive tax cuts will spur industrial growth. I never denied that. But when you have to borrow every penny of the money given away in those tax cuts you're simply creating a huge weight on future growth. And my point was that his earlier steel and aluminum tariffs were stupid and cost manufacturing jobs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 8, 2020 Report Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Argus said: Why are you obsessed with Canada? Because Canada is obsessed with the United States. Quote Massive tax cuts will spur industrial growth. I never denied that. But when you have to borrow every penny of the money given away in those tax cuts you're simply creating a huge weight on future growth. And my point was that his earlier steel and aluminum tariffs were stupid and cost manufacturing jobs. And yet U.S. manufacturing jobs increased...so stupid ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted August 8, 2020 Report Posted August 8, 2020 15 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Because Canada is obsessed with the United States. Not nearly as much as you live your live by ranting about Canada.\ 15 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: And yet U.S. manufacturing jobs increased...so stupid ! US manufacturing jobs were lost due to the tariffs. You are trying to conflate overall job gains over the last four years through massive tax cuts with the impact of aluminum and steel tarifs. Which is incredibly dishonest, but about what I'd expect of a Trump supporter. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 8, 2020 Report Posted August 8, 2020 Quote US manufacturing jobs were lost due to the tariffs. You are trying to conflate overall job gains over the last four years through massive tax cuts with the impact of aluminum and steel tarifs. Which is incredibly dishonest, but about what I'd expect of a Trump supporter. US manufacturing jobs are gained and lost for many reasons. And there was nothing special about the aluminum and steel tariffs among many other trade measures that Trump invoked except that Canada got so butt hurt because of the way he did it (Section 232). Trump also went after Canada to stop the dumping, transshipments, IP theft, and existing protectionist tarrifs on American products (e.g. dairy). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Thinkinoutsidethebox Posted August 9, 2020 Report Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) This is beyond stupid... https://imgflip.com/i/4axs49 Edited August 9, 2020 by Thinkinoutsidethebox Quote
eyeball Posted August 9, 2020 Report Posted August 9, 2020 Stupider is as stupider does. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Moonlight Graham Posted August 9, 2020 Report Posted August 9, 2020 The Canadian government did 100% the right thing by retaliating tit-for-tat. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: The Canadian government did 100% the right thing by retaliating tit-for-tat. I think we would have earned honorable mention from governments around the world if Freeland had said 'okay' while twirling her finger around her temple. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: The Canadian government did 100% the right thing by retaliating tit-for-tat. That's great...because the United States government did 100% the right thing in response to new Canadian dumping...errr..."storage" across the border. Quote Canadian aluminum-makers have said they switched production during the COVID-19 pandemic as demand for higher-end products crashed, and the resulting aluminum has been sent to the United States primarily for storage. https://www.vicnews.com/news/trump-slaps-tariffs-on-canadian-raw-aluminum/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCanMan Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 This topic is just the Liberals trying to draw attention away from their laundry list of scandals. “WE’RE THE MOUSE THAT ROARED!!!!” Yeah ok, put a tariff on aluminum but don’t bother to stop our PM from treating the Bank of Canada like his personal chequing account, and don’t bother to stop terrorists from coming here to commit attacks, recruit, and retire with a pension. Chrystia Freeland can go to hell. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Thinkinoutsidethebox Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: The Canadian government did 100% the right thing by retaliating tit-for-tat. You are being sarcastic correct? Quote
Boges Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 This just hurts Americans. Like with steel, the US doesn't make nearly enough domestically to meet demand. So tariffs just raise the price on American consumers that will continue to buy from the likes of Canada. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said: You are being sarcastic correct? No. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Boges Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 The irony is that there's zero reason for a Canadian company to import raw Aluminum from the US. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, Boges said: The irony is that there's zero reason for a Canadian company to import raw Aluminum from the US. Then surely Canada would not mind if U.S. dairy producers "stored" thousands of tonnes in Canada, right ? Quote 7. Canada is the largest source of United States imports of non-alloyed unwrought aluminum, accounting for nearly two-thirds of total imports of these articles from all countries in 2019 and approximately 75 percent of total imports in the first five months of 2020. The surge in imports of these articles from Canada coincides with a decrease in imports of these articles from other countries and threatens to harm domestic aluminum production and capacity utilization. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-adjusting-imports-aluminum-united-states-080620/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Then surely Canada would not mind if U.S. dairy producers "stored" thousands of tonnes in Canada, right ? It would probably spoil. Dairy is a perishable item, I'm not sure if you were aware of that. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boges said: It would probably spoil. Dairy is a perishable item, I'm not sure if you were aware of that. The Americans can afford refrigeration. Cheese and dry milk store more easily. ...other products could be sent over for "storage" too. It would just be for "storage"...wink...wink. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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