Time to take on far-right terrorists

[Argus]

20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Taking well over 20000 Syrian refugees was a noble thing to do.  These people were suffering, caught in the crossfire of US backed rebels, Russian backed government forces, and of course ISIS,

In point of fact, and I'm sorry to have to be the bearer of unpleasant news, not a single one of them was caught in any sort of crossfire. They were, in fact, safe in Turkey. Which might explain why 70% of Canadians were opposed to bringing so many over here.

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

In point of fact, and I'm sorry to have to be the bearer of unpleasant news, not a single one of them was caught in any sort of crossfire. They were, in fact, safe in Turkey. Which might explain why 70% of Canadians were opposed to bringing so many over here.

 

Those poll results likely came late in the game in the context of the irregular border crossings.  They were temporarily safe in Turkey.  Many countries were temporary holding areas where immigration interviews took place.  

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

No, Trudeau is a hypocrite like all of us.  We are in bed with the US big time.  We’re no better.  Policy and rhetoric/narratives do matter though because they influence thought and actions.  The irregular border crossings are the result of new refugee/immigration policies in the US.  Canada does have to manage immigration more carefully, but not for the purpose of preventing immigration or discriminating against a religious group.  Safeguarding Canadian values and the economy is the issue.  

 

Then say it the first time, instead of doing the typical Canadian thing of hiding behind the United States.   The U.S. did not force Canada to bomb Syrians.

There were "irregular" border crossings from the U.S. into Canada long before Trump...by the thousands.    But apparently the narrative and politics back then did not suit the circumstances of today.    How noble !

Donald Trump is not responsible for nor should he give a damn about "Canadian values".

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Then say it the first time, instead of doing the typical Canadian thing of hiding behind the United States.   The U.S. did not force Canada to bomb Syrians.

There were "irregular" border crossings from the U.S. into Canada long before Trump...by the thousands.    But apparently the narrative and politics back then did not suit the circumstances of today.    How noble !

Donald Trump is not responsible for nor should he give a damn about "Canadian values".

 

No the crossings increased very substantially after the partial Muslim ban and an expiration on Haitian refugee status in the US. 

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No the crossings increased very substantially after the partial Muslim ban and an expiration on Haitian refugee status in the US. 

 

More nonsense....Trudeau canceled temporary protected status for Haitian refugees before Trump !

The Safe Third Country Agreement that denies admission was put in place in 2004....long before Trump.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Blaming America for the Islamic terrorists attacking the West, doesn't make any sense.

It isn't just America, other super-rogues are also involved.

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America bombed the shit out of Japan, Germany and Vietnam, yet I don't see that many Japanese, German or Vietnamese extremist groups lashing out and committing terror attacks on those who attacked them, and certainly not on the scale of Muslim extremists, it's not even close.  The Islamic terrorists aren't doing it because America attacked them, that's just an excuse they use to make their cause seem more righteous, but if it was the natural reaction to being attacked by a foreign power, as some posters here are suggesting, then the Vietnamese, Japanese and Germans would be committing most of the terrorist attacks against other western nations, yet they aren't, it's the Muslims.

 

It becomes more natural when a malevolent campaign against a people is as widespread and persistent as it has been in many Muslim countries, the conflicts you mentioned were very short in comparison and the massive rapid effort to rebuild the countries and economies of Germany and Japan clearly endeared them to their old enemies. Again, in very short order.

Vietnam is strongly influenced by Buddhist beliefs which are famously forgiving never mind the fact they won, and you're also discounting the influence of Muslim beliefs which are famously vengeful. In any case, every bully eventually pushes someone who shoves right back. 

 

Edited March 17, 2019 by eyeball

[Zeitgeist]

30 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

More nonsense....Trudeau canceled temporary protected status for Haitian refugees before Trump !

The Safe Third Country Agreement that denies admission was put in place in 2004....long before Trump.

Nevertheless, after the Muslim ban we saw a huge surge.  Same goes for after Trump canceled protected status:

“Refugee claimants who enter Canada at official crossings usually are sent back to the US. However if they cross at locations in between designated ports of entry, they would not be sent back and their claims will be heard. Many immigration experts consider this to be a loophole within the agreement.”

Before the Muslim ban this wasn’t a big issue.  More on the surge:

“Since the beginning of January 2017 and up until the end of March 2018, the RCMP have intercepted 25,645 people crossing the border into Canada irregularly. Public Safety Canada estimates another 2,500 came across in April 2018 for a total at just over 28,000.”^[22]

“the New Democratic Party called on the government to immediately suspend the Safe Third Country Agreement, citing that "Canada can no longer have confidence that the American refugee system is providing a safe haven for those who face persecution".^[14] The Official OppositionConservative Party of Canada stated that they would not oppose a suspension of the agreement,^[15] while the Green Party of Canadavoiced support for suspending the agreement.^{[16]”.  Wikipedia} 

Edited March 17, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It isn't just America, other super-rogues are also involved.

It becomes more natural when a malevolent campaign against a people is as widespread and persistent as it has been in many Muslim countries, the conflicts you mentioned were very short in comparison and the massive rapid effort to rebuild the countries and economies of Germany and Japan clearly endeared them to their old enemies. Again, in very short order.

Vietnamese society is strongly influenced by Buddhist beliefs which are famously forgiving never mind the fact they won, and you're also discounting the influence of Muslim beliefs which are famously vengeful. In any case, every bully eventually pushes someone who shoves right back. 

 

Retaliation is not a sufficient explanation for Islamic Terrorist attacks. It's a culture thing that is causing the Islamic extremists to lash out the way they do, not simply that they are being attacked and anyone else attacked in such a way would respond just as they do, that is obvious bullshit.

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Nevertheless, after the Muslim ban we saw a huge surge.  Same goes for after Trump canceled protected status:

“Refugee claimants who enter Canada at official crossings usually are sent back to the US. However if they cross at locations in between designated ports of entry, they would not be sent back and their claims will be heard. Many immigration experts consider this to be a loophole within the agreement.”

Before the Muslim ban this wasn’t a big issue.  

It's not a Muslim ban, it's a ban on people from certain countries, that happen to be majority Muslim. People overreacting to that, is not Trump's fault.

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

It's not a Muslim ban, it's a ban on people from certain countries, that happen to be majority Muslim. People overreacting to that, is not Trump's fault.

Stop. He targeted the 7 countries because that was all he could get away with.  He wanted a complete Muslim ban.  

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Stop. He targeted the 7 countries because that was all he could get away with.  He wanted a complete Muslim ban.  

Prove it. Your mind reading skills leave a lot to be desired.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Nevertheless, after the Muslim ban we saw a huge surge.  Same goes for after Trump canceled protected status:

 

Trump is not responsible for Canada's border admission policies...Canada put the STCA in place back in 2004. 

There were close to 40,000 asylum claims per year in Canada back then and "Canadian values" wanted to throttle that down because of an uneasy electorate....nothing to do with Trump a dozen years later.

Trump did not cause all of Canada's immigration and refugee problems that spawned more "hate" groups, and he sure as hell is not going to solve them for you.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Stop. He targeted the 7 countries because that was all he could get away with.  He wanted a complete Muslim ban.  

 

Absolutely false....the list of nations came from the Obama administration based on counter-terrorism.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Absolutely false....the list of nations came from the Obama administration based on counter-terrorism.

Indeed. It's only Islamophobic when Trump does it, not Obama. 

Lulz, what a clown show.

Edited March 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

 

NOT the same magnitude.

I said order of magnitude, and you added attempts, to gin your argument.  I think that's what gin means.

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump is not responsible for Canada's border admission policies...Canada put the STCA in place back in 2004. 

There were close to 40,000 asylum claims per year in Canada back then and "Canadian values" wanted to throttle that down because of an uneasy electorate....nothing to do with Trump a dozen years later.

Trump did not cause all of Canada's immigration and refugee problems that spawned more "hate" groups, and he sure as hell is not going to solve them for you.

 

Trump’s actions on immigration were dark.   Canada did feel the impact through increased irregular crossings.  We’ve always had asylum seekers.  This volume of irregular border crossings is recent and directly related to Trump’s immigration policies.  

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trump’s actions on immigration were dark. 

Trump's actions on immigration, aren't all that different from Obama's. Confusing tone and rhetoric with action, one guy blows sunshine up your ass,  while the other guy rubs you the wrong way, that's the biggest difference.

Edited March 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Saudi Monitor]

Husband of slain woman forgives New Zealand mosque gunman

 

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CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand: Farid Ahmad loved his wife — and he loves and forgives the terrorist who killed her.

“The best thing is forgiveness, generosity, loving and caring, positivity,” said Farid, 59, confined to a wheelchair since a car accident in 1998.

His wife Husna, 44, was one of 50 people killed in Friday’s terrorist attack at Al-Noor mosque and Linwood Islamic Center in Christchurch, New Zealand. Brenton Tarrant, 28, an Australian white supremacist, has been charged with murder.

Ahmad says that if he could speak to Tarrant: “I would tell him that inside him he has great potential to be a generous person, to be a kind person, to be a person who would save people rather than destroy them.

 

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1467871/world

 

Edited March 18, 2019 by Saudi Monitor

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Absolutely false....the list of nations came from the Obama administration based on counter-terrorism.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-35036567/outcry-as-donald-trump-calls-for-us-muslim-ban

[Yzermandius19]

There was no outcry when Democrat POTUS's did it, only when Republican POTUS's do it, then it's "dark" all of a sudden. Obvious double standard is obvious.

Edited March 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

There was no outcry when Democrat POTUS's did it, only when Republican POTUS's do it, then it's "dark" all of a sudden.

Democratic POTUS never called for a Muslim ban. That was presidential candidate Trump. 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Democratic POTUS never called for a Muslim ban. That was presidential candidate Trump. 

Democrat POTUS's enacted basically the same ban, yet no outcry of Islamophobia. The media is in the bag for the Democrats, over 80% of them are Democrats, and they only get outraged when a Republican does it.

You know nothing Zeitgeist, simmer down.

Edited March 18, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trump’s actions on immigration were dark.   Canada did feel the impact through increased irregular crossings.  We’ve always had asylum seekers.  This volume of irregular border crossings is recent and directly related to Trump’s immigration policies.  

 

But you told me that it is all about "Canadian values"....regardless of Trump.

So keep welcoming immigrants and refugees from around the world regardless of what many Canadians think about it, but don't be surprised when (gulp) hate breaks out somewhere with a high body count.   You can always blame Trump !

 

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Democratic POTUS never called for a Muslim ban. That was presidential candidate Trump. 

 

Wrong again...President Carter did the same thing for Iran.   Keep trying.....

[Zeitgeist]

17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Wrong again...President Carter did the same thing for Iran.   Keep trying.....

Not the same at all. Countries ban the nationals from countries for a variety of reasons.  Trump doesn’t get a pass for his deeply irresponsible remarks.