Yzermandius19 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Boges said: Keep the government shutdown or we'll release the Pee Tapes. The longer the shutdown goes on, the more the Democrats get the blame instead of Trump, it is their sacred cows on the chopping block after all, if they don't cave. The Democrats spend $5 billion or more on complete nonsense all the time, the American people aren't going to take lightly to losing their gibs the Dems claim to love so much, just so the Democrats can play chicken with Donald Trump, especially when Trump is willing to negotiate and Democrats clearly aren't. Edited January 16, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The longer the shutdown goes on, the more the Democrats get the blame instead of Trump, it is their sacred cows on the chopping block after all, if they don't cave. The Democrats spend $5 billion or more on complete nonsense all the time, the American people aren't going to take lightly to losing their gibs the Dems claim to love so much, just so the Democrats can play chicken with Donald Trump, especially when Trump is willing to negotiate and Democrats clearly aren't. Indeed, what does the Red Nation care if civil servants are out of work? They hate public service employees, except for the military, which is getting paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) And even if the military runs out of pay, they have to show up to work anyways, and Red Nation would just say "suck it up, do your duty" Red Nation is hugely ex-military, so being crybabies doesn't work on them, they have no pity for non hackers. Edited January 16, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: The longer the shutdown goes on, the more the Democrats get the blame instead of Trump, it is their sacred cows on the chopping block after all, if they don't cave. The Democrats spend $5 billion or more on complete nonsense all the time, the American people aren't going to take lightly to losing their gibs the Dems claim to love so much, just so the Democrats can play chicken with Donald Trump, especially when Trump is willing to negotiate and Democrats clearly aren't. Polling shows that Trump is owning this Shutdown. Trump is actually the one that's rejected any compromise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 8:01 PM, Iznogoud said: Two more nails in the Trump coffin. Which one? Wasn't he supposed to drop out from the presidential race too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Boges said: Polling shows that Trump is owning this Shutdown. Trump is actually the one that's rejected any compromise. Trump isn't rejecting compromise, he's willing to take less than $5 billion, the Democrats so far won't even give him a penny. As time goes on those polls will shift, people will blame the Democrats soon enough. Trump would be a fool to cave, if he caves now, the Democrats will never give him a penny for the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Boges said: Polling shows that Trump is owning this Shutdown. Trump is actually the one that's rejected any compromise. LOL The polls. Yes. Credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Trump isn't rejecting compromise, he's willing to take less than $5 billion, the Democrats so far won't even give him a penny. As time goes on those polls will shift, people will blame the Democrats soon enough. Trump would be a fool to cave, if he caves now, the Democrats will never give him a penny for the wall. Well the issue isn't the wall, it's funding the rest of the government. Trump is holding the rest of the government hostage to get the wall. And in doing so, he's making the border less safe. If this was such a crisis he'd have had Wall Funding tabled earlier in his mandate. Oh and wasn't Mexico supposed to pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Boges said: Well the issue isn't the wall, it's funding the rest of the government. Trump is holding the rest of the government hostage to get the wall. And in doing so, he's making the border less safe. If this was such a crisis he'd have had Wall Funding tabled earlier in his mandate. Oh and wasn't Mexico supposed to pay? The issue is Democrats don't care about funding the rest of the government, just obstructing Trump, those are not good optics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: The issue is Democrats don't care about funding the rest of the government, just obstructing Trump, those are not good optics. They've passed several bills trying to open the government the Senate won't even allow a vote unless Trump pre-approves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Boges said: They've passed several bills trying to open the government the Senate won't even allow a vote unless Trump pre-approves. None of which includes even a penny for the wall, that's not showing a willingness to negotiate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: None of which includes even a penny for the wall, that's not showing a willingness to negotiate. Again if Trump really wanted to build a wall, he would have forced the hand of the GOP on Tax Cut measures last year, or even earlier in his mandate. Instead he di it the night before the Democrats took control of the House. He only does it now because he can blame someone, when they were in control they could only blame themselves. The Democrats won back the House in stark opposition to Trump's Xenophobia, they have a mandate not to negotiate on Wall funding, especially as used to leverage funding the whole government. I actually found this whole drama interesting for a week or two, now it's just sad. Trump is a pathetic excuse for the leader. Edited January 16, 2019 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Boges said: Again if Trump really wanted to build a wall, he would have forced the hand of the GOP on Tax Cut measures last year, or even earlier in his mandate. Instead he di it the night before the Democrats took control of the House. He only does it now because he can blame someone, when they were in control they could only blame themselves. The Democrats won back the House in stark opposition to Trump's Xenophobia, they have a mandate not to negotiate on Wall funding, especially as used to leverage funding the whole government. I actually found this whole drama interesting for a week or two, now it's just sad. Trump is a pathetic excuse for the leader. Yeah Trump picked when the Dems took control of the house so he could blame them, and it's going to work more and more the longer the shutdown drags on. Winning back the house is not a mandate to not properly fund border security just to obstruct Trump. The Republicans control the Presidency and the Senate and have a bigger mandate than Democrats, the Dems don't have a mandate to keep the government shutdown over not willing to let Trump fulfill his most famous campaign promise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Yeah Trump picked when the Dems took control of the house so he could blame them, and it's going to work more and more the longer the shutdown drags on. Winning back the house is not a mandate to not properly fund border security just to obstruct Trump. The Republicans control the Presidency and the Senate and have a bigger mandate than Democrats, the Dems don't have a mandate to keep the government shutdown over not willing to let Trump fulfill his most famous campaign promise. Exactly, they should have sandbagged and lain in wait, but TDS incited them to charge the Red cape, and now they are going wear everything going into 2020, they just stepped back into the kill zone so Trump has something to run against again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Just don’t forget that you’re following a script intended to destabilize the US and NATO, Five Eyes, etc. It was written by Russian intelligence. Master stroke, Vlad! Just doing our part, like NATO deadbeats such as Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Just doing our part, like NATO deadbeats such as Canada. To be fair, that one is on the Hegemon, because said Hegemon, in order to maintain full sovereign control, particularly the Joint Strategic Deterrent, wrote the Washington Treaty so that it didn't actually bind any members to contribute anything specific, most importantly America deciding whether it wanted to blow the world up and no one else, and so all it says is "all for one and one for all", but in the event of an Article V declaration, leaves it wide open as to what the actual response is, from global thermonuclear war at the high end, to a strongly worded letter of protest at the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: To be fair, that one is on the Hegemon, because said Hegemon, in order to maintain full sovereign control, particularly the Joint Strategic Deterrent, wrote the Washington Treaty Not any more...the "hegemon" is broke...tapped out. If these deadbeats are so concerned about Putin, then they better start paying the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not any more...the "hegemon" is broke...tapped out. If these deadbeats are so concerned about Putin, then they better start paying the bill. Nonsense, easily carrying a $20 trillion mortgage from a market which needs you more than you need us, while you make $20 trillion a year. You're covered. What is simply tapped out is your appetite for military adventure at this juncture in the wake of the sad and failed Iraq War. Which is rational and entirely your prerogative. Altho, I'm still holding LockMart, so keep on buying those F-35's, would you? Edited January 16, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Nonsense, easily carrying a $20 trillion mortgage from a market which needs you more than you need us, while you make $20 trillion a year. You're covered. What is simply tapped out is your appetite for military adventure at this juncture in the wake of the sad and failed Iraq War. Which it rational and entirely your prerogative. If it was that easy, then NATO/NORAD deadbeat Canada would be spending more on defense. Go find a new hegemon...maybe China. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If it was that easy, then NATO/NORAD deadbeat Canada would be spending more on defense. Go find a new hegemon...maybe China. Almost all the defence contractors lead to foreign arms manufacturers, so the government would very much prefer to pork barell with domestic interests rather than funneling money offshore to BAE Systems, LockMart and the like. Canada's economy is not interdependent from your economy, it's the nanny socialist welfare gulag special economic zone you are propping up so the Indians don't go Taliban on them and then you have to come up there and sort it out. Edited January 16, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Almost all the defence contractors lead to foreign arms manufacturers, so the government would rather pork barell with domestic interests rather than funneling money offshore to BAE Systems, LockMart and the like. Canada's economy is not interdependent from your economy, That's why Canada is a NATO/NORAD deadbeat, why Trump and previous presidents have criticized NATO laggards for depending more and more on U.S. blood and treasure. Trump has nothing to lose by continuing the squeeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: That's why Canada is a NATO/NORAD deadbeat, why Trump and previous presidents have criticized NATO laggards for depending more and more on U.S. blood and treasure. Trump has nothing to lose by continuing the squeeze. I've given up hectoring the laggards long time ago, when I realized it was all inclusive to failed state asymmetry which creates a de facto dictatorship by Ontario in the name of bribing Quebec with Alberta's money, and none of that requires any conventional military forces at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 There was a time when Canada played the ideal Robin to the USA's Batman. Now Canada thinks everybody has the right to be Batman... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I've given up hectoring the laggards long time ago, when I realized it was all inclusive to failed state asymmetry which creates a de facto dictatorship by Ontario in the name of bribing Quebec with Alberta's money, and none of that requires any conventional military forces at all. Fine...then let the socialists worry about Putin. They can be afraid...very afraid...while saving money ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: There was a time when Canada played the ideal Robin to the USA's Batman. Now Canada thinks everybody has the right to be Batman... Because inside the nanny bubble of Canada the howling winds of realpolitik don't blow, so they never feel them, so they don't know that being Batman is a burden requiring blood and treasure down range, so it never occurred to them that they might not want to dance out onto the ice in the big leagues, lest they get rocked into the boards resulting career ending concussion. Edited January 17, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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