capricorn Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: It's not about us Some posters here have articulated opinions more interesting and plausible than the opinion of the CBC link you provide. I did not learn anything new by reading that opinion piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, capricorn said: Some posters here have articulated opinions more interesting and plausible than the opinion of the CBC link you provide. I did not learn anything new by reading that opinion piece. Guess you wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Wilber said: Why? You don't agree with her? Yes, I do agree with her political opinion. What's there not to agree with? Canada is alone on this. Quote Here’s why Canadian allies are keeping their mouths shut in dispute with Saudi Arabia https://globalnews.ca/news/4376037/canada-saudi-arabia-dispute-united-states-silent/ Quote U.S. refuses to back Canada in Saudi Arabia dispute https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-us-sidesteps-getting-involved-in-escalating-saudi-canada-dispute/ Edited August 10, 2018 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, betsy said: Yes, I do agree with her political opinion. So you weren't just Quote simply repeating what that lady on tv said. I'm fine with Canada being alone in this, if that is how it has to be. Edited August 10, 2018 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Wilber said: So you weren't just I was repeating what she said - and that seemed to have triggered you off. Don't tell me - you're one of the progressive exploding heads? All anyone has to do is mention Trump - and, boom! I was surprised that Carole Mcneil didn't challenge when she said, "without the protection of the USA.....blah-blah-blah....." That doesn't mean just Trump! But, things seems to be different now. Why, you think nations had already forgotten that Trump and Trudeau aren't exactly friends? They didn't hear about the G7 summit fall-out? Edited August 10, 2018 by betsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Why is Trudeau and his sunshine band looking for support from a Trump government that they have also publicly expressed disdain for ? That's just doubling down on stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Why is Trudeau and his sunshine band looking for support from a Trump government that they have also publicly expressed disdain for ? That's just doubling down on stupid. ....and, they're surprised too, that they're not getting his support! Edited August 10, 2018 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, betsy said: ....and, they're surprised too, that they're not getting his support! We should be getting support from the US but Trump has made it clear he doesn't support anyone, particularly his western allies. No real surprise there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 But it is not just the Trump government refusing to support Freeland's brain fart....it is nothing but crickets around the world. Canada didn't make this mistake....Trudeau and Freeland did.....grandstanding to their political base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Wilber said: We should be getting support from the US but Trump has made it clear he doesn't support anyone, particularly his western allies. No real surprise there. The U.S. is even more ethically compromised where Saudi Arabia is concerned than is Canada. The KSA autocracy warranted Trump's first foreign visit following his inauguration and reportedly about $300 billion in U.S. arms sales to the kingdom provide a massive disincentive to prompt any, well, principled U.S. response. And the KSA is a prime American ally against Iran in the region, so geopolitical issues come into play. American policy is seldom based on actual principles unless monetary gain counts as a principle. The main issue for America is shoring up its interests. Canada, on the other hand, has few real interests where the KSA and/or the broader region are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Wilber said: It's not about us The celebrities who met him would be forgiven for embracing him back then, when he still seemed somewhat credible. My bullshit alert is tingling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 17 hours ago, cannuck said: When I walk through the terminal in Riyadh and see the big sign: "the penalty for dealing drugs is death" I get a case of the warm fuzzies. It is also a sharp reminder that 'Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.' What our dear leaders in Canada and America should be doing to combat this drug epidemic that both countries are having today and the atrocities that are being committed in the name of drugs our dear leaders should make the death penalty apply to those who sell drugs like they do in Saudi Arabia and Singapore. Anyone caught with a certain amount of illegal drugs gets the death penalty. Sadly Toto, we are all living in Kansas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 The rest of the world has turned its back on this, not supporting Canada in its position. Gee, I wonder why... mere words that do nothing vs. billions in trade agreements and business contracts? Only a moron would take that ideological position. UK official statement-Earlier this week, the British Foreign Office issued just a three-line statement that read in part: "Canada and Saudi Arabia are both close partners … and we urge restraint." Diplomat says Canada may need to get used to being alone on world stage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 8/8/2018 at 8:42 PM, Wilber said: We trade more with the US in two days than we do with the Saudis in a whole year. This can hurt in more ways than one. Saudi's pulling their students out of Canadian universities is forecast to cost upwards of $400M dollars.Link That does not consider the impact of the loss of medical students who are working as residents. This will affect some areas more acutely than others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, turningrite said: The U.S. is even more ethically compromised where Saudi Arabia is concerned than is Canada. The KSA autocracy warranted Trump's first foreign visit following his inauguration and reportedly about $300 billion in U.S. arms sales to the kingdom provide a massive disincentive to prompt any, well, principled U.S. response. And the KSA is a prime American ally against Iran in the region, so geopolitical issues come into play. American policy is seldom based on actual principles unless monetary gain counts as a principle. The main issue for America is shoring up its interests. Canada, on the other hand, has few real interests where the KSA and/or the broader region are concerned. Ethically compromised. Exactly. Some here think it is a virtue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: This can hurt in more ways than one. Saudi's pulling their students out of Canadian universities is forecast to cost upwards of $400M dollars.Link That does not consider the impact of the loss of medical students who are working as residents. This will affect some areas more acutely than others. Lots of people want to study here. Locals don't call UBC the University of a Billion Chinese for nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Where is it written that we can't have trade and mock Justin Trudeau's sunshine band at the same time ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Where is it written that we can't have trade and mock Justin Trudeau's sunshine band at the same time ? It's in the Liberal Playbook. You can't have a proper screw-up unless the WHOLE country suffers from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 14 hours ago, betsy said: Canada is standing alone. I don't think there's any country that officially speaks in support of Canada over this. God knows you certainly won't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 hours ago, turningrite said: The U.S. is even more ethically compromised where Saudi Arabia is concerned than is Canada. US election donation laws are so limited that foreign governments, be they the Saudis or the Russians, can funnel millions into the campaign chests of politicians to buy their favour. I'm quite certain the Saudis have bought control of any number of US senators and congressmen, in addition to their fat, pasty faced president, who went there to grovel before the Saudi king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Argus said: US election donation laws are so limited that foreign governments, be they the Saudis or the Russians, ...or the Canadians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: But it is not just the Trump government refusing to support Freeland's brain fart....it is nothing but crickets around the world. Lickspittles you mean - disgusting little shits compared to mere farts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Freeland is a bright and strong politician who has taken a principled stance on a number of issues. I say that as a conservative. People are taking a lot of unfair cheap shots at both her and Trudeau. I think it's mostly about Trudeau calling himself a feminist, showing solidarity with the LGBTQ community, welcoming refugees, and generally being a progressive. Millennials are a lot more receptive to Trudeau than older generations. I find him to be ridiculously politically correct at times and a showboat. He's pulled some stunts for sure. His governments is too interventionist. What's more, he won't let members of his caucus vote with their conscience on certain issues. The honeymoon certainly ended between the Canadian people and his government. Having said all of that, there has been an unfair pile-on recently with Trudeau as he reacted to events like the steel and aluminum tariff or the human rights violations in Saudi Arabia the way that just about any PM would. On those matters I think Canadians should rally around the PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Freeland is a bright and strong politician who has taken a principled stance on a number of issues. I say that as a conservative. People are taking a lot of unfair cheap shots at both her and Trudeau. I think it's mostly about Trudeau calling himself a feminist, showing solidarity with the LGBTQ community, welcoming refugees, and generally being a progressive. Millennials are a lot more receptive to Trudeau than older generations. I find him to be ridiculously politically correct at times and a showboat. He's pulled some stunts for sure. His governments is too interventionist. What's more, he won't let members of his caucus vote with their conscience on certain issues. The honeymoon certainly ended between the Canadian people and his government. Having said all of that, there has been an unfair pile-on recently with Trudeau as he reacted to events like the steel and aluminum tariff or the human rights violations in Saudi Arabia the way that just about any PM would. On those matters I think Canadians should rally around the PM. It's really about their hypocrisy. Trudeau talks about violations of human rights - and infringement on free speech - which, he's guilty of, himself! In this country, you cannot voice your own negative criticism of a particular religion (Islam), nor can you adhere openly to your views as a pro-lifer without being punished! Quote Anti-abortion activities, projects ineligible for Canada’s revamped youth service program https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/anti-abortion-activities-projects-ineligible-for-canadas-revamped-youth-service-program/article37630131/ Pro-choice? For MPs, Trudeau’s edict is no-choice https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/pro-choice-its-no-choice/article18623038/ He's a dictator! The democratic Canada that I know, doesn't pick and choose on people - everyone is treated equally before the law! Yeah, unlike other dictators, he doesn't behead, but he sure knows how to hurt them! Same thing. He's trampling on people's right to religion and free expression. How can he stand before the world and talk about his stance against human rights violators? He's a violator himself! He thinks everyone is daft - with very short memory? Edited August 11, 2018 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Quote Trudeau under fire from U.S. right over stance on abortion https://ipolitics.ca/2018/01/15/trudeau-fire-u-s-right-stance-abortion/ They should come and protest on Parliament Hill. Let's see how it feels to have Americans meddling in our internal affairs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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