Saudi Arabia expells Canadian ambassador

[Wilber]

1 minute ago, scribblet said:

Apparently we sell them private Healthcare while we wait for beds 

Well, it's actually the provinces that administer health care in this country.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

A normal civilized country wouldn't  make demands on a country via tweeter.  Instead, they'd use their ambassador in Saudi Arabia to do the diplomatic thing. 

 

Yep.....Freeland tried to go rogue like Trump... but it blew up right in her face.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Let's REALLY virtue signal by sending EVERY Saudi funded mosque a-packing.

But that wouldn't be right! You'd be interfering with freedom of religion by even questioning why Saudi money is funding religious organizations in Canada! 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

18 minutes ago, betsy said:

It's one thing to want to do something for this family - or even if it's all about human rights, whther by LGBT or females -  but the government handled it improperly.  By making demands such as the way it was worded, would a country like Saudi Arabia cower in fear, and promptly comply?

I blame our government for this.   

If I had to allot blame it would be 90% for the Saudis. They are behaving hysterically with a completely disproportionate response. If the West stood together such extortion would not even be tried by these tyrannies. 

[Wilber]

13 minutes ago, betsy said:

A normal civilized country wouldn't  make demands on a country via tweeter.  Instead, they'd use their ambassador in Saudi Arabia to do the diplomatic thing.  

 

What is the recourse for Saudi Arabia when they make that very public rebuke and demand?   Capitulate? 

It's interesting that Trump can tweet whatever crap he wants about anyone, anything or any country and that's just great with his apologists, but when a Canadian official makes a valid comment about human rights abuses, it's another story completely. Hypocrisy  personified.

Edited August 8, 2018 by Wilber

[taxme]

5 minutes ago, scribblet said:

So, the Saudis are pulling patients from private health care...isn't that against Canada health act.  From Ontario doctors on Facebook

 

PRIVATE HEALTHCARE IN CANADA TO TRUDEAU’S CHOSEN NON-CANADIANS WHILE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL FOR CANADIANS 

Even Canadian doctors were not aware of this. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor, please explain to us and Canadian taxpayers how your government granted itself the authority to selectively violate the Canada Health Act and give Saudia Arabia citizens priority to our hospitals and public Canadian healthcare system? Who else is jumping the queue ahead of Canadian patients forced to wait months to years for essential medical care as you continue to ration the healthcare of Canadians? And yet Trudeau’s government continues to deny the simple use of closed operating rooms overnight by Canadian provinces for elective surgeries via medical tourism for all foreign patients to help directly fund our public healthcare system - something which would dramatically shorten wait times for Canadian patients without queue jumping.

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Canadians will have to accept the fact that they now come in second over foreigners. There will be plenty of Canadians who will be put back on the list for surgeries for all the many criminal foreigners that may need emergency surgery first that are being allowed to keep coming to Canada and entering Canada illegally. Canadians are losing their country to the rest of the world and to the millions of poor people that are out there and waiting for Canada to take them in thanks to our dear prime mistake of yours who could care less about Canada or Canadians. While Canada burns, our prime mistake revels it up with homosexuals in the gay pride parade in Vancouver.

The way the Trudeau's keep getting elected in this country I would predict right now that when one of Trudeau's kids becomes of age and can get to vote one of them may just get voted in for PM of Canada one day by another bunch of dumb downed Canadian fools again. Our political leaders have gone bonkers on Canadians and all just seem to sit back and enjoy what they have and are still creating to keep Canada from ever becoming great. A bloody dam mess these fools have given us and all with our tax dollars. They should just all be ashamed for what they have done to Canada and Canadians for numerous decades now. They all need to be "FIRED". 

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, look at the bright side...at least Freeland didn't kill an old lady in Maryland with her SUV like Canada's GG.  

That would have really pissed off the Saudis !

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Well, look at the bright side...at least Freeland didn't kill an old lady in Maryland with her SUV like Canada's GG.  

That would have really pissed off the Saudis !

 

 

 

Still early in the day.

[betsy]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

If I had to allot blame it would be 90% for the Saudis. They are behaving hysterically with a completely disproportionate response. If the West stood together such extortion would not even be tried by these tyrannies. 

Well.....for every action there's a consequence.  Whether the Saudis over-reacted or not, is not the point.  There wouldn't be something to react like this about if Freeland had said things diplomatically.  Why do we even spend money having an ambassador if everyone can just go about tweeting what they want to say?

[betsy]

32 minutes ago, Wilber said:

It's interesting that Trump can tweet whatever crap he wants about anyone, anything or any country and that's just great with his apologists, 

Well.....Trump can handle the repercussions!   And,  he's getting his way (in most cases).   And, when he meddles in other countries, he has LEVERAGE to back him up.

What leverage does Freeland have over Saudi Arabia?  By the looks of it, when push comes to shove.....it's Saudi Arabia that has the leverage!  Look what they're doing now!

Freeland, is not Trump.     That's the big difference.

 

 

 

 

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but when a Canadian official makes a valid comment about human rights abuses, it's another story completely. Hypocrisy  personified.

The Trudeau government  doesn't have that high ground and doesn't have the credibility.

 

 

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Justin Trudeau,  then running for the leadership of his party in 2013, was given a lob-ball question from a supporter at a “Ladies Night” meet-and-greet in Toronto: “Which nation, besides Canada, which nation’s administration do you most admire, and why?”

The future prime minister’s odd answer: “You know, there’s a level of admiration I actually have for China ….”

China? Why China?

“Because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green  fastest…we need to start investing in solar.'”

 

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https://globalnews.ca/news/3899392/trudeau-admires-most-not-china/

 

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Chrystia Freeland decries plight of four Canadians jailed in China

 

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau takes "very, very personally to heart" the plight of Canadians imprisoned in China and she doesn't know why Beijing won't heed Ottawa's pleas to free them.

 

Ms. Freeland acknowledged that China's one-party dictatorship and record of human-rights abuse trouble many Canadians, but she said Canada nevertheless needs to expand trade with the world's fastest-growing economy.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/chrystia-freeland-decries-plight-of-canadians-jailed-in-china/article37170212/

 

There's the hypocrisy, personified.

Edited August 8, 2018 by betsy

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

If I had to allot blame it would be 90% for the Saudis. They are behaving hysterically with a completely disproportionate response. If the West stood together such extortion would not even be tried by these tyrannies. 

Yet the West does not exactly appear to be "standing together" on this, do they. Perhaps their values are on a different paradigm. As in, there is no way that publicly embarrassing the Saudi's will accomplish anything useful. Perhaps they know something that inexperienced, naive Liberals do not know. IE when it's time to talk, and when to STFU. No reason to believe anyone's going to come to Canada's rescue, by putting their own foot in it.

[Wilber]

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Well.....Trump can handle the repercussions!   And,  he's getting his way (in most cases).   And, when he meddles in other countries, he has LEVERAGE to back him up.

What leverage does Freeland have over Saudi Arabia?  By the looks of it, when push comes to shove.....it's Saudi Arabia that has the leverage!  Look what they're doing now!

Freeland, is not Trump.     That's the big difference.

 

As I said, he can spout whatever bullshit and lies he wants about anyone he wants and you will stick with him.

Thanks for backing me up.

[Wilber]

42 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Yet the West does not exactly appear to be "standing together" on this, do they. Perhaps their values are on a different paradigm. As in, there is no way that publicly embarrassing the Saudi's will accomplish anything useful. Perhaps they know something that inexperienced, naive Liberals do not know. IE when it's time to talk, and when to STFU. No reason to believe anyone's going to come to Canada's rescue, by putting their own foot in it.

Why do we need anyone to come to our rescue?

[OftenWrong]

21 minutes ago, Wilber said:

As I said, he can spout whatever bullshit and lies he wants about anyone he wants and you will stick with him.

Thanks for backing me up.

It's probably not because of Trump at all, but more like "Money talks". What we see now is a demonstration that money takes precedent over morality. Or something like that.
There's an expression I'm looking for here that captures the sentiment, like "Money is more important than being good", or something...

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Why do we need anyone to come to our rescue?

I dunno, maybe because Saudi's are carving up our economy like it's so much halal? 

[OftenWrong]

11 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Why do we need anyone to come to our rescue?

Ask Justin why...

Canada plans to seek help from the United Arab Emirates and Britain to defuse an escalating dispute with Saudi Arabia, sources said on Tuesday, but close ally the United States made clear it would not get involved.

Canada to ask allies to help cool Saudi dispute; U.S. offers no aid

[Wilber]

54 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I dunno, maybe because Saudi's are carving up our economy like it's so much halal? 

We trade more with the US in two days than we do with the Saudis in a whole year. 

[Wilber]

47 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Ask Justin why...

Canada plans to seek help from the United Arab Emirates and Britain to defuse an escalating dispute with Saudi Arabia, sources said on Tuesday, but close ally the United States made clear it would not get involved.

Canada to ask allies to help cool Saudi dispute; U.S. offers no aid

Of course we want to cool the dispute but they can forget an apology.

[Zeitgeist]

You still don't get the game here.  Saudi action has little to do with what Freeland and Co. tweeted, which was not a new kind of messaging out of Canada.  Canada was on point given the recent Saudi mistreatment of activists.  This is about a newly emboldened Saudi Arabia (given the green light by the Trump anti-Iran shift) testing the waters to see what it can get away with.  Trump is enjoying this public dressing down of Trudeau, which he started due to ideological differences and jealousy.  The mention of a trade freeze supports Trump's harsh treatment of Canada in NAFTA negotiations.  Russia likes it too because Canada took a firm stance against Russia's interference and invasion of Ukraine, under Harper, not to mention Canada's stance on its suppression of dissidents.  These are sleezy dealings.  Get out of bed with the Saudis and Russians.  On Trump's end, it's sad that he and his cadre are willing to throw close allies under the bus for pride and pettiness, but there will be a price, because mistrust of Trump is growing fast and thick, inside and beyond U.S. borders.

[bush_cheney2004]

Here is some help for Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland...free of charge:

 

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Often the best way to end a fight is to admit you were wrong and apologize. If apologizing in English doesn’t work, or if you’re abroad, try saying “I’m sorry” in one of these languages. It could make a world of difference.

1. Spanish: Lo siento
2. French: Je suis désolé
3. German: Es tut mir leid
4. Italian: Mi dispiace
5. Portuguese: Sinto muito
6. Russian: мне жаль (Mne zhal)
7. Indonesian: Maaf
8. Swedish: Förlåt
9. Mandarin Chinese: 对不起 (duì bu qǐ)
10. Arabic: أنا آسِف (anā āsif)

 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Get out of bed with the Saudis and Russians. 

 

...but stay in bed with the Americans, right ?    Because they can do a lot more damage to Canada's economy than the Saudis.

[Wilber]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

Well.....for every action there's a consequence.  Whether the Saudis over-reacted or not, is not the point.  There wouldn't be something to react like this about if Freeland had said things diplomatically.  Why do we even spend money having an ambassador if everyone can just go about tweeting what they want to say?

Saudis crucify man

Badawi, one of the protestors Freeland referred to was sentenced to 1000 lashes and has already received 50.

As a good Christian you are obviously fine with all that. 

 

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

...but stay in bed with the Americans, right ?    Because they can do a lot more damage to Canada's economy than the Saudis.

Are you saying that America is the moral equivalent of Russia, perhaps even Saudi Arabia?  You really don't see how un-American your comments are.

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Are you saying that America is the moral equivalent of Russia, perhaps even Saudi Arabia?  You really don't see how un-American your comments are.

 

Saudi Arabia is an ally of the United States....will not sacrifice that relationship because Chrystia Freeland and her global affairs flunkies screwed up big time.   What a stupid move given what happened previously with Germany and Sweden.    Dumb and dumber...the gift that keeps on giving.

I don't care about your morals.....keep them at home.

Edited August 9, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[cannuck]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

An Allie? Against the terrorism they themselves spawn?

Yes, the GOVERNMENT of the Kingdom, and a significant part of the population consider themselves an ally of the West (now excluding Canada, of course).   There are definitely Wahhabist fundamentalists who support terrorism in many forms and ways, but that is NOT the position of the Kingdom as an entity.