Centerpiece Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 15 hours ago, Argus said: So in front of congress today, Wilber Ross admitted that not only does the US have a trade surplus of steel with Canada, but that the tariffs wasn't for national security reasons at all but to get Canada to crack down on the Chinese using Canada as a transshipment point for steel to the US. Except Canada had already announced a crackdown before the tariffs were imposed.... Seems our "announcement" came a little late: Quote But, added Ross, Canadian steel was a problem along with other countries in the aggregate, while we allowed Chinese steel to pass through our country on the way to the United States........ Essentially, some companies try to pass off Chinese steel as duty-free Canadian steel. Or Mexican steel, or European steel. The Americans say this has happened from many countries as China sells at below-market rates to keep its steel plants going......... Except now China uses us as a go-between. The Americans asked us to stop in April 2017 and we didn’t “The only way we’re going to solve the global steel overproduction and overcapacity is by getting all the other countries to play ball with us,” Ross said on Wednesday. “And while they’re complaining bitterly about the tariffs, the fact is they’re starting to take the kind of action, which, if they had taken sooner, would have prevented this crisis.” Link: http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-feds-could-have-avoided-u-s-tariffs-on-steel-aluminum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) On 6/10/2018 at 11:30 AM, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....Trump likes to be a jerk, but he matters a lot more than Trudeau. To Trump, Trudeau is just a putz. Trump is a pathological liar. Trudeau isn't. To the world Trump is a Putz. Edited June 21, 2018 by Jimwd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimwd said: Trump is a pathological liar. Trudeau isn't. To the world Trump is a Putz. Trudeau IS a putz. And Trump has no respect for anyone, anywhere. He's pretty clearly a sociopath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 22 hours ago, Boges said: It's good to see Sheer and DoFo back JT. I'm not JT fan, but this is not a time to take partisan sides on ideology. Trump is being completely irrational right now. Trump is only protecting America from ridiculous Canadian tariffs like the one that puts a 270% tariff on dairy products that are being exported to Canada from America. That is beyond belief. Trump is just being pro American something that seems to bother people like you. Doug Ford has to back Trudeau because of the auto sector of Ontario that could take a big hit. There is only one way to solve our dispute over tariffs. Dump them all together and let the private sector and the markets do their thing without government interference. The government always screws things up and are more of a problem rather than a solution. Maybe it is you who is being irrational here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Argus said: Trudeau IS a putz. And Trump has no respect for anyone, anywhere. He's pretty clearly a sociopath. Now Trudeau could be considered a real putz and a sociopath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Jimwd said: Trump is a pathological liar. Trudeau isn't. To the world Trump is a Putz. Liberals/democrats are the biggest and the greatest of them all when it comes to being pathological liars. Trump isn't. To the world Trudeau is seen as a putz and a total feminist idiot. The world does not listen or care about what Trudeau has to say but the world listens to and cares as to what Trump has to say. And they know that what he says does not contain any bull chit at all. All those liberal/socialists/communist political leaders and dictators out there have been put on notice by Trump. Your days of screwing with your people and my people are over. It's payback time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Argus said: Trudeau IS a putz. And Trump has no respect for anyone, anywhere. He's pretty clearly a sociopath. JT might be a bit putzy, sadly I have to agree somewhat with that assessment a couple of years into his term. However, I still would rather have him than a sinkhole like Trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Canada has far less trade leverage than the USA, and weak PM leading the way. Let's review the basics...again: Quote Geopolitical Futures recently conducted a Deep Dive exploration of the U.S.-Mexico trade relationship. Now, we will examine the U.S.-Canada economic relationship. First, we will take an in-depth look at one commodity upon which Canada is highly dependent: oil. Next, we will look at relative dependence in the U.S.-Canada trade relationship and explore the North American Free Trade Agreement’s efficacy from Canada’s point of view. The report reaches two conclusions. First, Canada’s economy is dependent on the U.S. economy, but despite NAFTA, Canada’s manufacturing industries cannot compete with the lower production costs available in Mexico and China. Consequently, Canada has lost its competitive advantage in the production of goods such as motor vehicles and machinery. Second, renegotiating NAFTA and a selectively more protectionist environment in the U.S. are just as much in Canada’s interest as they are in the United States’. Canada’s economy is extremely dependent on the U.S. economy. Canada has lost market share of U.S. imports, to China, Mexico and others. Canada has an interest in a more protectionist environment in the U.S. that preserves Canada’s preferential trade status with the U.S. Canada’s Economic Dependence on the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinkinoutsidethebox Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Why doesn't Trudeau start to use the thousands of people that are sitting around coming up with useless statistics and information (pollsters for instance) and figure out what Canada's trade situation is with the US and the rest of the world, find out numbers of what we're exporting and importing then go from there. Then he could have a round table meeting with the provinces, figure out what and why we are squabbling over trade and setting barriers with each other all the time and work on fixing that. He claims he's Canada's prime minister it's time he shows some leadership instead of being the worlds poodle and running behind the rest. The fact that Alberta has to invest huge money into exporting crude at reduced prices so we can subsidize Ontario importing refined petroleum at world prices just blows me away. Ontario exports automobiles, why not supply for the Canadian market first then export excess? The same goes for every other industry in Canada. We have a dairy industry that's vibrant and taking care of itself, why not leave it alone. The US isn't the only country that we have trade issues with, there is always some country that's banning Canadian exports for whatever reasons, beef, chickpeas, canola, wheat are a few that come to mind recently, countries go to war, go broke, don't like the way we do business, steal our technology etc., I say we take care of our own first instead of trying to turn the whole population into truck drivers and paper pushers. Trump is the biggest idiot on the planet at this time no question but he is 100% correct about bringing industry back home. It's ironic that he will be doing more for the environment then anybody else just by reducing worldwide freight movement, look at this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travel-truths/lost-container-ships-bizarre-world-of-global-shipping/ (if he succeeds...). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 12:00 PM, Jimwd said: Trump is a pathological liar. Trudeau isn't. To the world Trump is a Putz. I'm just wondering how many of Justin's campaign promises has he kept..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I'm just wondering how many of Justin's campaign promises has he kept..... Wonder away. That isn’t relevant to my comment about trump being a pathological liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 where I come from breaking or not keeping promises makes you a lair or a politician which is both........and in your quote you said Justin is not a lair....making it a false statement.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Just now, Army Guy said: where I come from breaking or not keeping promises makes you a lair or a politician which is both........and in your quote you said Justin is not a lair....making it a false statement.... Where I come from a pathological liar is someone who lies constantly and often even about things he doesn’t have to lie about like crowd sizes..voter fraud , Muslims on roof tops, hawaiin investigators, birth certificates etc. nothing to do with campaign promises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 24, 2018 Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 So your saying a politician can say anything on the campaign, promise the moon and not be held accountable because they are expected to lie....and here I thought a lair was a lair was a lair....I don't disagree with you Trump does not have a filter....he makes shit up on the fly....and you want the rest of us to think Justin is no different ….reminds me of people kind incident.. where our PM just made a word up took it out of his ass, and made it an actual thing....WHY ? when he said to that soldier on that tour, They are asking more than we can provide....then short time later Buys a 500 k pipe line for 4.5 bil.....I mean wow....Justin may not have as many as trump....but once a lair always a lair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 25, 2018 Report Share Posted June 25, 2018 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: I'm just wondering how many of Justin's campaign promises has he kept..... Politicians never keep all their promises, either because they change their minds once in power or because they discover they can't do what they said they would do. Or simply because they never really intended to do so. That is a given. Trump's constant, blatant, in-your-face lies are something new to politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centerpiece Posted June 25, 2018 Report Share Posted June 25, 2018 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: So your saying a politician can say anything on the campaign, promise the moon and not be held accountable because they are expected to lie....and here I thought a lair was a lair was a lair....I don't disagree with you Trump does not have a filter....he makes shit up on the fly....and you want the rest of us to think Justin is no different ….reminds me of people kind incident.. where our PM just made a word up took it out of his ass, and made it an actual thing....WHY ? when he said to that soldier on that tour, They are asking more than we can provide....then short time later Buys a 500 k pipe line for 4.5 bil.....I mean wow....Justin may not have as many as trump....but once a lair always a lair... There's a bit of a difference here......Trump actually lies all by himself. Trudeau on the other hand is told to lie by his handlers. He's not smart enough to know whether he's lying or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted June 25, 2018 Report Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Centerpiece said: There's a bit of a difference here......Trump actually lies all by himself. Trudeau on the other hand is told to lie by his handlers. He's not smart enough to know whether he's lying or not. This made me laugh. I am pretty sure JT knows when he's lying, and I think Trump doesn't know when he's lying because he's spent his life telling people what he thinks they want to hear and doesn't really care if it's true or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 25, 2018 Report Share Posted June 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Argus said: Politicians never keep all their promises, either because they change their minds once in power or because they discover they can't do what they said they would do. Or simply because they never really intended to do so. That is a given. Trump's constant, blatant, in-your-face lies are something new to politics. I get it Argus, the campaign is all bullshit......what gets me is we all know that, and we fall for it every 4 years.....hoping that there is a honest person out there, ""this person is different"" we hope....but Justin has yet to keep just one.....Campaign promises to get your vote...…....not even after all the were back speeches at the UN, promising Canadians new peacekeeping efforts.. well you get the point , there is a lot of bullshit to wade through....Is Justin at the same level , screw that Justin is a rookie....but he is still a blatant lair.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 8 hours ago, Argus said: Trump's constant, blatant, in-your-face lies are something new to politics. Trump innovates again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 Justin will skip Canada Day on the Hill this year. Instead, he will visit 3 cities all on July 1. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-to-visit-three-cities-on-canada-day-skip-parliament-hill-festivities-1.3988242 Couple this with speculation about a snap election continues to swirl. https://ipolitics.ca/2018/06/25/process-nerd-could-the-prime-minister-really-trigger-a-snap-summer-election/ With Trudeau's popularity seemingly riding high over his exchanges with Trump, will the election timing ever be better for the Liberals? Better an election now than after the negative economic impact of US tariffs. There's also the fact that NAFTA negotiations have stalled and there appears to be no move on Canada's part to go back to the table. Then there are Justin's travels; that looks a lot like campaigning to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centerpiece Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, capricorn said: Justin will skip Canada Day on the Hill this year. Instead, he will visit 3 cities all on July 1. He'll be celebrating Canada's 151st birthday. This, from a PM who told India that Canada was only 100 years old..........no, really, he did. Edited June 26, 2018 by Centerpiece 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted June 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Last night, Trump uses Trudeau for laughs. Trudeau becomes a Trump rally staple! Timer: 38:28 Edited June 26, 2018 by betsy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted June 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) What are the chances Trudeau - and EU - will be forced to capitulate once Trump starts going for the autos? Tarrifs on autos will be the next target. It's going to happen. Our negotiators are comforted by the fact that Trump is against the world. "There's strength in numbers," they say. But Craig Oliver is right: countries don't care about Canada. They all care about their own. They're likely to make deal for the best interest of their own countries. WE should think of Canada! Trudeau should make a deal with Trump before he slaps on the tarriffs on autmobiles. Edited June 26, 2018 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted June 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Looks like Trump won't limit the spat to trade issues. Quote Trump sends letter to Trudeau calling for increase in NATO defence spending Global military contributions 'do not excuse' Canada from NATO commitments, says Trump https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-letter-trudeau-nato-1.4719198 Edited June 27, 2018 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 If looks could kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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