Ex-Doctor with a bunch of felonies refuses to get off plane and gets what he deserves

Wilber · April 15, 2017

Just now, betsy said:

Whatever. It's still United Airlines, along with City of Chicago, that's being petitioned. That's the fact.

Maybe later, more details will come out. But right now - it's UA that's on the hot seat. Not Republic.

Yup and a lot more details will come out as this thing proceeds.

betsy · April 15, 2017

5 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Yup and a lot more details will come out as this thing proceeds.

Yes. It's a petition of discovery - it could turn out to be Republic.

Argus · April 15, 2017

10 hours ago, betsy said:

Bottomline: this airline committed an assault on their customer, who has done nothing wrong. They shouldn't get away with it. Why should they? The same law that applies to us should apply to them too!

You understand the police were the ones that yanked him out of his seat, right? And that they don't work for the airline, but for the city of Chicago?

Argus · April 15, 2017

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

Mr. Dao was not engaging in unruly behavior. The reason they removed him by force was because they wanted his seat. The fact that he was removed with excessive force is what was illegal his lawyer says. He received serious injuries. That is what was illegal. Airlines do not have a right to do whatever they please with a passenger.

The moment he refused to get off he was being unruly and disrupting the operations of the aircraft and crew. And you're correct. Airlines do not have the right to do whatever they please. Police, however, do have the right to enforce the law, and to use whatever level of force is required to do so.

Argus · April 15, 2017

21 hours ago, blackbird said:

The police or whatever they were that did the job for United would still be under contract. I don't think United can escape some responsibility. Guess a judge will decide.

The airport police in Chicago work for the city of Chicago and are trained at its police academy. They have no contract with United.

betsy · April 16, 2017

13 hours ago, Argus said:

You understand the police were the ones that yanked him out of his seat, right? And that they don't work for the airline, but for the city of Chicago?

Who called them? For what?

Edited April 16, 2017 by betsy

betsy · April 16, 2017

13 hours ago, Argus said:

The airport police in Chicago work for the city of Chicago and are trained at its police academy. They have no contract with United.

Argus, the respondents for the Petition of Discovery filed by Dao's lawyer are the City of Chicago and United Airlines.

You can try to twist around over this, but that's the fact. We'll know more details as they investigate.

Edited April 16, 2017 by betsy

betsy · April 16, 2017

13 hours ago, Argus said:

The moment he refused to get off he was being unruly and disrupting the operations of the aircraft and crew. And you're correct. Airlines do not have the right to do whatever they please. Police, however, do have the right to enforce the law, and to use whatever level of force is required to do so.

What law?

The flight was not overbooked. All seats are filled by passengers who paid for their seats.

United Airlines is likely to be the one who broke the regulations over this.

betsy · April 16, 2017

The cops didn't exhaust other options either.

The cops used excessive force by the way they dragged Dao off his seat. There were three cops I see on the video. One cop could've gone behind him and helped pried his hands loose and lifted him off. The cop yanked him with such force, that his face smacked onto the arm rest across the aisle. I imagine that's how he lost his front teeth, broke his nose and had a concussion! I'm surprised he didn't dislocate his hips.

Look at the footage on the right side.

No wonder passengers closest to him (who'd actually seen what happened), sounded so terrorized!

Edited April 16, 2017 by betsy

Hal 9000 · April 16, 2017

On 2017-04-14 at 2:02 PM, Argus said:

Actually, it pretty much is. Just about any act of disruption about an airliner is a crime.

This list is by no means exhaustive. As a general rule of thumb, if the conduct is offensive or disruptive and distracts the crew, it may be considered actionable interference. The repercussions for passengers who engage in unruly behavior can be substantial, so if an attendant instructs you to do something, you'd best listen up. Otherwise, your next destination could potentially be a jail cell, a courtroom, or the office of an experienced criminal defense lawyer near you.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/11/what-happens-if-you-disobey-a-flight-attendant.html

I guess we'll find out who wins this battle soon enough. My bet is on the passenger.

The airline feels they have the right to legally act in that way - great, but it's cost them over a billion dollars so far in stocks. And that's before we start seeing customers turn away from them. I hope they relish in their "victory".

Hal 9000 · April 17, 2017

Whoever called the cops to forcefully remove the guy in front of a plane full of people should be fired. I'll be it was a woman who made that decision.

Goddess · April 17, 2017

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/here’s-one-thing-united-will-do-differently-after-the-infamous-dragging-incident/ar-BBzV02E

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United Airlines will no longer allow crew members to displace passengers who are already seated on a plane.

Under a new policy, which is meant to avoid future public relations disasters like the one the world witnessed earlier this week, airline crews are required to check in at least an hour before a flight leaves, the airline company said. The purpose is to avoid having to find a seat for a crew member after all passengers have already boarded.

In a statement issued Thursday, United said the company will no longer ask law enforcement officers to remove passengers from flights “unless it is a matter of safety and security,” and will review its training programs for employees.

This should solve half the problem, anyways.

Edited April 17, 2017 by Goddess

H10 · April 18, 2017

On 4/12/2017 at 9:17 PM, Wilber said:

I appreciate the airline had to get a crew to Nashville. I don't know why in this case but shit happens in the airline biz. Weather, other flight delays, you name it. You wouldn't believe how crews are often scheduled on domestic flights. Been there, done that and the passengers sitting there in Nashville waiting for that crew would not have been impressed if it didn't show up. This was not a case of overbooking and the airline was in a bind, but the way those on site chose to get out of that bind was moronic. Just because you have a power doesn't mean you should use it.

It's probably a good thing this happened in such a blatant way because I really think there has been a lesson learned here by all airlines and we won't see this kind of thing again regardless of what government does.

Explain to me how else you get an unruly passenger off the plane. If the guy didn;t act like a baby, he'd not have gotten hurt.

betsy · April 18, 2017

5 hours ago, hernanday said:

Explain to me how else you get an unruly passenger off the plane. If the guy didn;t act like a baby, he'd not have gotten hurt.

You're ignoring other options that could've been used.

Whoever made the decision to call the cops, was the one who acted like a baby. And a bully, too. The cops simply gave a good performance of unneccesary police brutality. Flaunting their power like state police.

Edited April 18, 2017 by betsy

Wilber · April 18, 2017

7 hours ago, hernanday said:

Explain to me how else you get an unruly passenger off the plane. If the guy didn;t act like a baby, he'd not have gotten hurt.

Why him, he wasn't unruly till they tried to throw him off. All they needed was one seat. Offer more money until someone takes it. If they had, this thread wouldn't exist.

sharkman · May 24, 2017

This story always made me roll my eyes. The media did not report the story, they did a hatchet job instead. The facts were not reported and this trend by the media reminds me of banana republics and that is where the MSM is headed. The doctor LEFT the plane. Then he snuck back on. Who the hell does that? He's an idiot that should be banned from ever flying again, but instead the media make him their poster child for the abused passenger. And waaaaay too many people simple lap it up instead of employing critical thinking and realize that many facts are missing from the story. People are so easy to manipulate these days.

I'm fed up enough with this nonsense to cut the cable once and for all.

Omni · May 24, 2017

41 minutes ago, sharkman said:

This story always made me roll my eyes. The media did not report the story, they did a hatchet job instead. The facts were not reported and this trend by the media reminds me of banana republics and that is where the MSM is headed. The doctor LEFT the plane. Then he snuck back on. Who the hell does that? He's an idiot that should be banned from ever flying again, but instead the media make him their poster child for the abused passenger. And waaaaay too many people simple lap it up instead of employing critical thinking and realize that many facts are missing from the story. People are so easy to manipulate these days.

I'm fed up enough with this nonsense to cut the cable once and for all.

So busting his nose and knocking out a few of his teeth while dragging him down the aisle simply because he didn't want to give up his seat is OK then? That imagery is going to follow that airline for some time.

May 24, 2017

8 minutes ago, Omni said:

So busting his nose and knocking out a few of his teeth while dragging him down the aisle simply because he didn't want to give up his seat is OK then? That imagery is going to follow that airline for some time.

They could do that to me if they gave me what they gave him.

Omni · May 24, 2017

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

They could do that to me if they gave me what they gave him.

Yeah I bet he got at least six figures per "dent"

sharkman · May 25, 2017

4 hours ago, Omni said:

So busting his nose and knocking out a few of his teeth while dragging him down the aisle simply because he didn't want to give up his seat is OK then? That imagery is going to follow that airline for some time.

Had he not resisted them and had a major hissy fit, he would not have sustained even a rash. Remember, HE LEFT THE PLANE. This after agreeing to a payout at home for not flying on that flight. He shouldn't have even driven to the airport. But he does, then gets on a plane he agreed not to. He leaves willingly, then sneaks back onto the plane. Again, who the hell even does that? Then he continues resisting them and holding up the flight. Everything that happened to him is on him in my book. On top of it all, he's some kind of drug dealer.

He's what, 69?, but claims he's got patients across the country he has to attend to. Like really. What gets me is the media repeat this as if it's a real thing. Like there's no doctors where he's flying to. Yeah I know that bumping people off flights shouldn't happen. But this is the nicest bumping I've ever heard of. Phoning the passenger at home and coming to an agreement that he willingly agrees to. Anyway, he's going to be rich now and he can buy his own plane. Poetic justice would see it crash.

Edited May 25, 2017 by sharkman

Chrissy1979 · May 25, 2017

13 hours ago, sharkman said:

Had he not resisted them and had a major hissy fit, he would not have sustained even a rash. Remember, HE LEFT THE PLANE. This after agreeing to a payout at home for not flying on that flight. He shouldn't have even driven to the airport. But he does, then gets on a plane he agreed not to. He leaves willingly, then sneaks back onto the plane. Again, who the hell even does that? Then he continues resisting them and holding up the flight. Everything that happened to him is on him in my book. On top of it all, he's some kind of drug dealer.

I think he was beat up before he went back on the plane and apparently he was disoriented from his head injury at that point. In any case, how do you know what actually happened if it was never reported in the press? Were you there?

sharkman · May 25, 2017

Please don't tell me that with a name like Chrissy Hynde, you blindly accept what the press feeds you? Come on, get some brass in pocket! He's a pill pusher that accepted 800 to not fly, and then showed up anyway. Call it what you want.

Chrissy1979 · May 25, 2017

7 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Please don't tell me that with a name like Chrissy Hynde, you blindly accept what the press feeds you? Come on, get some brass in pocket! He's a pill pusher that accepted 800 to not fly, and then showed up anyway. Call it what you want.

I had to google Chrissy Hynde. Before my time. But I'm not blindly accepting anything. I'm just wondering where you get your information from if you're not getting it from the media.

sharkman · May 25, 2017

No, it sounds like you are.

I heard update after update on this story in the news in the week after it happened. Every report I heard portrayed him as an innocent customer who was a doctor that needed to heal his patients across the country. No one said he'd agreed to being bumped, and then came on and was forced off, only to sneak on again. I heard those actual facts from alternative news sources. The Main Stream News sources all gave the same deeply flawed account.

Now, my question to you is, are you going to play your same move again, or are you willing to think critically about the situation? When did you hear that this doctor had agreed to be bumped for $800, and then drove to the airport anyway? When did you hear that he snuck back onto the plane after being removed?

Chrissy1979 · May 25, 2017

22 minutes ago, sharkman said:

No, it sounds like you are.

I'm perfectly willing to accept your version of the events but you can't expect me to just accept anonymous internet guy's word for it. I'm still interested in where you got your information. I've managed to get out of you that it's an "alternative" source but you don't seem to want to reveal much more. That's always suspicious to me when anonymous internet guys do that.