marcus Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: As I said, this isn't political and it's not even revenge, it's religious. Have you ever looked at Osama Bin Laden, the poster child of today's terrorist has said for his reasons for wanting to attack the West? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Why are there so many terrorist attacks on countries and people that have never waged war or forcibly taken oil from mid east countries? You people always argue that the terrorists kill more muslims than anyone else, maybe someone could explain why that is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 The day a deranged man in London went on a rampage killing four people and injuring many more before he was killed, thirty three Syrians seeking refugee in a school were bombed and killed by the US led coalition forces. US-led coalition air strike in Syria kills more than 30 people in school near Isis-held Raqqa Where is your outrage? Go ahead, lie to yourself and tell yourself and anyone who would listen that this is about religion. Go on with telling yourself that this isn't political and it's not an act of revenge. Let's blow one incident however horrid so out of proportion in London but disregard a much worse incident in Syria. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, marcus said: The day a deranged man in London went on a rampage killing four people and injuring many more before he was killed, thirty three Syrians seeking refugee in a school were bombed and killed by the US led coalition forces. US-led coalition air strike in Syria kills more than 30 people in school near Isis-held Raqqa Where is your outrage? Go ahead, lie to yourself and tell yourself and anyone who would listen that this is about religion. Go on with telling yourself that this isn't political and it's not an act of revenge. Let's blow one incident however horrid so out of proportion in London but disregard a much worse incident in Syria. They died by accident, while terrorist attacks on women and children is very intentional. And done in the name of their cause- Islam. Also note ISIS has killed many thousands of people in the Middle East, any of those who are not considered hardcore fundamentalist Muslims are infidels- they must be slain. US and western aligned military are there to try and stop the spread of ISIS. If they do accidentally kill people they try and make appropriate corrections. Sadly, the Islamic Terrorist leadership are cowards who like to hide themselves among the women and children, knowing full well the outrage it creates when they are killed off accidentally along with the co lateral. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I'm all for leaving them alone and letting them work it all out themselves. Like rats in a bucket, they'll destroy each other, unfortunately, we've welcomed the situation to pour into the west, now we have to deal with it. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Just now, OftenWrong said: They died by accident Pressing a button and dropping a missile, knowing innocent people could die, is not an accident. End result: Innocent people are dead. End result: People have lost family members. End result: Someone will be blamed for it. End result: Someone will want revenge for the deaths. 41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the ground Go ahead. Tell yourself it's just an accident. Tell yourself that these incidents in Europe are not 'blowback' for our policies. Keep trying to convince yourself that this is all about religion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, marcus said: Go ahead. Tell yourself it's just an accident. Tell yourself that these incidents in Europe are not 'blowback' for our policies. Keep trying to convince yourself that this is all about religion. This is about stopping the spread of the Islamicists, who seek to bring the Islamic State to Europe. These people butcher their own kind daily right in the streets, right in front of their families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: I'm all for leaving them alone and letting them work it all out themselves. Like rats in a bucket, they'll destroy each other, unfortunately, we've welcomed the situation to pour into the west, now we have to deal with it. Me too but not if they don't mind their own business. They want to purge the whole world of infidels- that's us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 minute ago, OftenWrong said: This is about stopping the spread of the Islamicists Going into Iraq, destroying Libya and a number of other West's actions have created the perfect vacuum which has created the opposite of stopping the spreading of these fundamentalists, who gain more and more power with every action we take in the Middle East. I am spoon feeding you with information and facts about our actions and trying to help you understand cause and effect. Yet, all you are able to do is respond with superficial slogans. At least blink before you repeat the same baseless comments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, marcus said: Going into Iraq, destroying Libya and a number of other West's actions have created the perfect vacuum which has created the opposite of stopping the spreading of these fundamentalists, who gain more and more power with every action we take in the Middle East. I am spoon feeding you with information and facts about our actions and trying to help you understand cause and effect. Yet, all you are able to do is respond with superficial slogans. At least blink before you repeat the same baseless comments. Oh OK, I wasn't aware that Islamic terrorism began in 2003 - now it all makes sense. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Oh OK, I wasn't aware that Islamic terrorism began in 2003 - now it all makes sense. ISIS and the dozen attacks in Europe started since around then, no? But not to worry, colonialism, military intervention, installing of puppets, destroying democracies started over a century ago by the innocent West. But yeah, I get you. This is all about Islam! *wink*wink* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 2 hours ago, hernanday said: It doesn't really matter. It was obvious his intent was to attack a government military institution. The intent was to both attack a government military institution and kill civilians. They went out of their way to kill civilians by driving on a sidewalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: ISIS and the dozen attacks in Europe started since around then, no? But not to worry, colonialism, military intervention, installing of puppets, destroying democracies started over a century ago by the innocent West. But yeah, I get you. This is all about Islam! *wink*wink* How do you explain away this to yourself? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdist_War How come there were ISIS-like groups in the 1800s? Hmmmmm....tough one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, -1=e^ipi said: The intent was to both attack a government military institution and kill civilians. They went out of their way to kill civilians by driving on a sidewalk. I don't think the idiot in England planned things out. He probably finally went over the edge and acted upon his fantasies probably nurtured by repeated military acts by the West on Arabs and Muslims and online motivation by terrorist groups who have online armies who motivate these typically unstable people into committing crimes. He simply went mad. Kind of like the attacker at the parliament hill in Canada. I would say there was actual planning involved in the incident where the French guy in Quebec who walked into the mosque and mowed people down. Or the Orlando shooter who did the same at the gay bar. There was also the South Carolina church shooting by the nationalist which could be considered planned out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Just now, marcus said: I don't think the idiot in England planned things out. He probably finally went over the edge and acted upon his fantasies probably nurtured by repeated military acts by the West on Arabs and Muslims and online motivation by terrorist groups who have online armies who motivate these typically unstable people into committing crimes. He simply went mad. Kind of like the attacker at the parliament hill in Canada. I would say there was actual planning involved in the incident where the French guy in Quebec who walked into the mosque and mowed people down. Or the Orlando shooter who did the same at the gay bar. There was also the South Carolina church shooting by the nationalist which could be considered planned out. Poor, poor Jihadi.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 13 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Poor, poor Jihadi.... Ad hominem.... These one liners are getting pretty boring with no value to the discussion. It is confirmed that it was actions of a deluded self grown terrorism. Move on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Just now, kactus said: Ad hominem.... These one liners are getting pretty boring with no value to the discussion. It is confirmed that it was actions of a deluded self grown terrorism. Move on.... Poor, poor kactus. So can you explain away your Mahdi to us infidels? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 18 minutes ago, marcus said: I don't think the idiot in England planned things out. He probably finally went over the edge and acted upon his fantasies probably nurtured by repeated military acts by the West on Arabs and Muslims and online motivation by terrorist groups who have online armies who motivate these typically unstable people into committing crimes. He simply went mad. Kind of like the attacker at the parliament hill in Canada. I would say there was actual planning involved in the incident where the French guy in Quebec who walked into the mosque and mowed people down. Or the Orlando shooter who did the same at the gay bar. There was also the South Carolina church shooting by the nationalist which could be considered planned out. Ever noticed that most of these killings of arabs by eachother is done in the very same countries where the west has been involved in it way or another? Ironically, you never hear enough criticism why western coutries are fueling the fundamentalists like the saudis with financial and arms supports... UK is no exception with Theresa May government vowing support for the despicable regime in Saudi Arabia arming the ISIS... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arms-sales-saudi-arabia-theresa-may-staunch-defence-keep-people-streets-britain-safe-a7230836.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/saudi-arabia-arms-sales-us-uk-theresa-may-angus-robertson-snp-a7474206.html 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 minute ago, kactus said: Ever noticed that most of these killings of arabs by eachother is done in the very same countries where the west has been involved in it way or another? Ironically, you never hear enough criticism why western coutries are fueling the fundamentalists like the saudis with financial and arms supports... UK is no exception with Theresa May government vowing support for the despicable regime in Saudi Arabia arming the ISIS... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arms-sales-saudi-arabia-theresa-may-staunch-defence-keep-people-streets-britain-safe-a7230836.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/saudi-arabia-arms-sales-us-uk-theresa-may-angus-robertson-snp-a7474206.html It's because Muslims are always victims. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: No worries. We'll meet on the battlefield, then. Wtf are you on about? What 'battlefield'? It sounds more like someone hiding behind a keyboard rambling filth and hate. An 'incoherent keyboard warrior' more like... Edited March 24, 2017 by kactus 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, kactus said: Wtf are you on about? What 'battlefield'? It sounds more like someone hiding behind a keyboard rambling filth and hate. An 'incoherent keyboard warrior' more like... You're the one denying the Quran....not I.... Edited March 24, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) These extreme views by some people on this forum is an insight into how extremist nationalists can become trigger people. Take the Quebec mosque shooter for example, or the guy in the States who shot at two Indians at a bar, thinking they were Iranian, or the brother and sister who were killed by a guy who didn't like Muslims. I think it's important for the government to monitor not only Muslim extremists, but also other people with extremist views. You never know if/when they will go over the edge and get their hands on a gun. Edited March 24, 2017 by marcus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 12 hours ago, OftenWrong said: This is about stopping the spread of the Islamicists, who seek to bring the Islamic State to Europe. These people butcher their own kind daily right in the streets, right in front of their families. We can take a look back over the last 15 years and see what caused much of the turmoil in the M.E. Several invasions taking out leaders deemed unfit to lead while saying they are a threat to global peace. Why are things getting worse? Is it because those Muslims can't get their shit together after their nations were bombed back to the stone age? Due to the reasons mentioned before? But here we have a UK citizen born and raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 13 hours ago, marcus said: Going into Iraq, destroying Libya and a number of other West's actions have created the perfect vacuum which has created the opposite of stopping the spreading of these fundamentalists, who gain more and more power with every action we take in the Middle East. I am spoon feeding you with information and facts about our actions and trying to help you understand cause and effect. Yet, all you are able to do is respond with superficial slogans. At least blink before you repeat the same baseless comments. You aint spoon feeding, you are selectively isolating and choosing incidents to justify your own bias against the West. You don't come on this forum ever to point out what Iran, Syria, Russia, Isil, Hamas, Hezbollah, do. You select only that which suits your biases. This is why you have zero credibility-your moral outrage is selective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, GostHacked said: We can take a look back over the last 15 years and see what caused much of the turmoil in the M.E. Several invasions taking out leaders deemed unfit to lead while saying they are a threat to global peace. Why are things getting worse? Is it because those Muslims can't get their shit together after their nations were bombed back to the stone age? Due to the reasons mentioned before? But here we have a UK citizen born and raised. Born in Welling, UK. Islam is a religion, remember. Not a location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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