Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, Michael Hardner said: Stay on topic please. It's difficult when other posters are using previous Western Conflicts as justification for current Islamic Terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Is this topic dead then ? Should I start a new thread on imperialism vs. terrorism ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Boges said: I'm not defending the US foreign policy. But I'll also not let claims of war crimes go without sufficient citation. You are not taking US foreign policy into consideration when trying to figure why these attacks are happening. This is one of the biggest flaws when approaching this conversation. Edited March 23, 2017 by marcus 3 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, marcus said: Throwing not one, but two nuclear bombs on cities, where human beings live, cannot be justified by someone who is not a psychopath. But firebombing Tokyo was just dandy? That killed more people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, Boges said: It's difficult when other posters are using previous Western Conflicts as justification for current Islamic Terrorism. They have made their point but going into detail on that side topic is drift... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, marcus said: You are not taking US foreign policy into consideration when trying to figure why these attacks are happening. This is one of the biggest flaws when approaching this conversation. You're acting like you know why this recent terrorist attack happened. Many of these terrorist were born and raised in the nations they are now attacking. It's more insidious than a conventional conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Boges said: You're acting like you know why this recent terrorist attack happened. Many of these terrorist were born and raised in the nations they are now attacking. It's more insidious than a conventional conflict. I am generalizing. I don't know what or how each of these individuals can justify killing innocent people. Much like I am unable to understand how a Western soldier can drop a bomb from an airplane, or press the red button on the drone joystick, knowing many innocent people will die. I suspect many use revenge and anger and the whole 'us vs them' mentality to justify their actions. 3 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, marcus said: I am generalizing. I don't know what or how each of these individuals can justify killing innocent people. Much like I am unable to understand how a Western soldier can drop a bomb from an airplane, or press the red button on the drone joystick, knowing many innocent people will die. I suspect many use revenge and anger and the whole 'us vs them' mentality to justify their actions. The Quran orders Muslims to fight the Unbeliever until all religion is for Allah. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, marcus said: You are not taking US foreign policy into consideration when trying to figure why these attacks are happening. This is one of the biggest flaws when approaching this conversation. What part of the world do you live? Are you trying to say jihad terrorism is caused by the west? Hundreds of people, including Muslims, are killed by jihad attacks every week. You think they are doing it because of US foreign policy? Come on! Did you read the link? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx Edited March 23, 2017 by blackbird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I opened this thread in the good faith that there will be some thought provoking discussions and support for the victims of this tragedy. Instead it turns into another debacle for certain people venting anger against a whole religion. Whilst the UK government is still investigating this case all the western governments have the responsibility in understanding the root cause of these home grown terrorists and put a stop to it. Whether it is committed by a white christian supremacist or a fanatical Muslim.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, blackbird said: What part of the world do you live? Are you trying to justify jihad terrorism? Hundreds of people, including Muslims, are killed by jihad attacks every week. You think they are doing it because of US foreign policy? Come on! Did you read the link? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx Of course it is a justification for Islam's abhorrent behavior towards everybody not a Muslim. That's the game: Islam is innocent...and peaceful. It is YOU that are the problem...for noticing. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kactus said: I opened this thread in the good faith that there will be some thought provoking discussions and support for the victims of this tragedy. Instead it turns into another debacle for certain people venting anger against a whole religion. Whilst the UK government is still investigating this case all the western governments have the responsibility in understanding the root cause of these home grown terrorists and put a stop to it. Whether it is committed by a white christian supremacist or a fanatical Muslim.... #nothingtodowithIslam The above quote is known as 'special pleading'...used when one loses a debate. Edited March 23, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) . Edited March 23, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, kactus said: I opened this thread in the good faith that there will be some thought provoking discussions and support for the victims of this tragedy. Instead it turns into another debacle for certain people venting anger against a whole religion. Whilst the UK government is still investigating this case all the western governments have the responsibility in understanding the root cause of these home grown terrorists and put a stop to it. Whether it is committed by a white christian supremacist or a fanatical Muslim.... First, the number of terrorist attacks against Muslims is infinitely small compared with the number of jihad terrorist attacks in the world. Second, people who commit a terrorist act are not "christian" by biblical definition. I see you are a denier that jihad terrorism is connected with Islam. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, blackbird said: First, the number of terrorist attacks against Muslims is infinitely small compared with the number of jihad terrorist attacks in the world. Second, people who commit a terrorist act are not "christian" by biblical definition. I see you are a denier that jihad terrorism is connected with Islam. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx First off I really don't appreciate being called names when you don't even know me. Second of al If you want to discuss the merits of "jihad terrorism" as you put it open anorher thread and let's discuss. However, it has no context here as the suspect in UK is believed to have been a 'home grown' terrorist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, kactus said: First off I really don't appreciate being called names when you don't even know me. Second of al If you want to discuss the merits of "jihad terrorism" as you put it open anorher thread and let's discuss. However, it has no context here as the suspect in UK is believed to have been a 'home grown' terrorist. What does "home grown" have to do with anything? He is still a jihad terrorist, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, kactus said: First off I really don't appreciate being called names when you don't even know me. Second of al If you want to discuss the merits of "jihad terrorism" as you put it open anorher thread and let's discuss. However, it has no context here as the suspect in UK is believed to have been a 'home grown' terrorist. The subject is the terrorist attack in London. Everything we are talking about is directly related. Why do we need another thread? Sorry for calling you a denier. Didn't mean to offend. Edited March 23, 2017 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 44 minutes ago, marcus said: Throwing not one, but two nuclear bombs on cities, where human beings live, cannot be justified by someone who is not a psychopath. Had Japan not come to its senses and surrendered, a third nuclear bomb would probably have been dropped on another one of its cities. War is hell. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, blackbird said: What does "home grown" have to do with anything? He is still a jihad terrorist, correct? Technically speaking no. Motivated by their cause but still a home grown terrorist. And this is just hypothetical as it is still being debated in UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, blackbird said: The subject is the terrorist attack in London. Everything we are talking about is directly related. Why do we need another thread? Sorry for calling you a denier. Didn't mean to offend. This is a long hard battle against terrorism and the root cause for it. It is not gonna disappear over night. It requires the government to educate and work with relevant secret intelligence agencies. The thing that really gets to me is the recent contracts that were sealed by May's government with the Saudi's the main sponsors and ISIS and terror groups. It just leaves room for lots of questions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, kactus said: This is a long hard battle against terrorism and the root cause for it. It is not gonna disappear over night. It requires the government to educate and work with relevant secret intelligence agencies. The thing that really gets to me is the recent contracts that were sealed by May's government with the Saudi's the main sponsors and ISIS and terror groups. It just leaves room for lots of questions... Again: the Quran orders Muslims to fight the Unbeliever until all religion is for Allah. Ignore this factor at your peril...and mine. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Ignore this factor at your peril...and mine. I choose to ignore you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, kactus said: I choose to ignore you No worries. We'll meet on the battlefield, then. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, blackbird said: First, the number of terrorist attacks against Muslims is infinitely small compared with the number of jihad terrorist attacks in the world. First, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Indonesia, ... are not small. Millions were slaughtered at the hand of the USA/UK/... . Quote For the past 55 years it has been running a terrorist training camp, whose victims massively outnumber the people killed by the attack on New York, the embassy bombings and the other atrocities laid, rightly or wrongly, at al-Qaida's door. The camp is called the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, or Whisc. It is based in Fort Benning, Georgia, and it is funded by Mr Bush's government. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/30/afghanistan.terrorism19 Quote Second, people who commit a terrorist act are not "christian" by biblical definition. As the USA is the leading terrorist in the world, that doesn't say much about all the "christians" there and all the "christians" from other western countries that support this terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 47 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Again: the Quran orders Muslims to fight the Unbeliever until all religion is for Allah. Ignore this factor at your peril...and mine. Ignore this silly canard or you will die laughing. There are about 4.3 million Muslims in the USA. That means, if we follow this "the commies are coming" bit of Trumpian demagoguery, 4.3 million infidel Americans should be killed each day. How does a human brain believe such drivel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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