hot enough Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Certainly it can't match US war crimes or US terrorism, or US voodoo economics, or US racism, or US murder of children or US slaughter of innocents or even the US's history of being at war for 90+% of its years as a "country". No country can ever match that kind of record because no country could ever become so conceited and arrogant, no country could develop a propaganda system like the US's, which feeds this vicious cycle of arrogance, greed, conceit, ... . That's why Canada, no country should support the US's evil military deeds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 22 minutes ago, hot enough said: ...That's why Canada, no country should support the US's evil military deeds. But Canada does support the USA's evil deeds...because it is so very very dependent on the U.S. economy. Canada's present prime minister told Americans this on national television...."because it matters so much". 50% of Canada's production is foreign owned...majority is American owned. No other nation in NATO is so utterly dependent on the United States. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted April 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Not only another defensive pact, but also opening the door to military sales.....Yup, good thing the liberals are in charge..... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-canada-weapons-1.4055626 Edited April 5, 2017 by Army Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Yes, buying weapons from Canadians is like buying weapons from Hobbits. They're more wholesome and come with a nice moral shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Weapon sales = economic righteousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 5 hours ago, eyeball said: Weapon sales = economic righteousness. weapon sales = keeping you from being garrotted by some mad foreigner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 We're the mad foreigners as often as not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 On 4/5/2017 at 1:45 PM, eyeball said: Weapon sales = economic righteousness. Correct...economics trumps virtue, even for righteous Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenOps Posted April 9, 2017 Report Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) USA has a $724 Billion per year trade imbalance in raw and finished goods. Mexico afterall produces things like 14 million tons of Avocado each year mostly for export. Since the US does not really export finished products and consume to keep the economy alive, they must export the only thing they can - services. Primarily military "protection" services. Now, they can try to sell a few bombers for a couple billion apiece every few years - or they can simply bill other countries like South Korea to fly bombers over their air to "protect them" from the evil North. Thing is - South Korea is starting to figure out that the US sees both South and North Korea as just another bunch of Mexicans. Therefore: Billed military services will not be paid, just like Trump doesn't pay others when he is dissatisfied with services rendered - its only fair. And lets not forget, its Trump that is heavily pushing for the dismantling of NATO, not anyone else. He just seems to need an excuse to do it, and he seems to want to blame nations that are putting in 1% of GDP instead of 2%. Edited April 9, 2017 by ZenOps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Has the Liberals turned our top military Generals into wanna be liberals, touting the liberal line regardless of the promised loyality ,and honor to the dept they serve.....and they preach ever that same loyalty and honor every day.......WTF.......talk about stabbing someone in the back.... Leaving our nations senators to take up the torch for DND.....Sad really ... http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/national/senators+urge+generals+stop+being+98cheerleaders+government+that/13300753/story.html Edited April 19, 2017 by Army Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Quote Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan will use an Ottawa speech Wednesday to paint a stark picture of the financial crunch facing the military Quote That new policy was meant to look ahead at the kind of threats Canada’s military needs to be ready to cope with in the future. But the review will also confront a less well-known challenge facing the military — “the hollow state of affairs that are not about tomorrow’s threats,” a government official told the Star. Quote Sajjan’s event on Wednesday will serve as a reality check and could set the stage for a national debate on funding for the military — and how much more the armed forces should get. “We’re starting from a hole that is not commonly understood,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The evidence of that is the list of “core, bread and butter” capabilities within the Canadian Armed Forces that need to be upgraded or replaced and yet have no funding set aside. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/05/02/canadian-armed-forces-suffering-from-underfunding.html WoW it has taken the liberals how long to figure that DND is in trouble when it comes to equipment.....unnamed sources confirming we are starting from a hole position....enough so that the minister is saying it might lead to a national debate on HOW we fund our military..... For the liberals to even bring it up must mean it is serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Now the liberals are saying, we acknowledge DND is in a poor condition, but don't get your hopes up for any purchases.....well at least they are admitting the problem....But that leaves a couple of questions now, like how are they going to handle the NATO expectations, and the 2% of GDP mark we are suppose to be at...... Quote Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan, under pressure to deliver a new purchasing plan for big-ticket military goods, is preparing to lower expectations for the amount of cash available by blaming the former Conservative government for leaving the Canadian Armed Forces with a multibillion-dollar budget shortfall. This as always been the liberal fall back plan, when in doubt blame someone...but don't man up and fix it, because that would take leadership..... Quote “We need to get more hard facts into the public domain about the real state of affairs and where we’re starting from. It has made the challenge deeper than it was widely understood to be going in,” said a senior defence official, speaking ahead of the speech on condition of anonymity. Again DND is admitting it is in the hurt locker..... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/sajjan-to-lower-expectations-for-future-military-purchases/article34882029/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted May 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Now even the liberals have come out and said, the armed forces is in a sad shape of affairs.... Quote Some of the $12 billion that has been "reprofiled," as the government calls the delayed spending, will start to flow again in 2021-22, but the bulk isn't expected to materialize until after 2036. Quote The problem Sajjan was addressing, the officials said, is that National Defence doesn't have enough money over the long term to buy everything it needs, including 18 projects deemed critical to the military's future. http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2017/05/05/flow-of-defence-funding-constricted-even-when-there-s-money-dnd-figures.html What a great opportunity the liberals have to set the record straight , they are the saviors of DND, not the Cons.....but will they take it, because it does not seem so... Just another note in this sad state of affairs, if DND is in this state, and it is the prefered son in regards to all the other security depts, what do the rest of them look like.....when is it that this nation is going to wake the F**** up and do something.....or are we as a nation going to be the first to fold it's DND because it was to expensive to operate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 21 hours ago, Army Guy said: Now even the liberals have come out and said, the armed forces is in a sad shape of affairs.... http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2017/05/05/flow-of-defence-funding-constricted-even-when-there-s-money-dnd-figures.html What a great opportunity the liberals have to set the record straight , they are the saviors of DND, not the Cons.....but will they take it, because it does not seem so... Just another note in this sad state of affairs, if DND is in this state, and it is the prefered son in regards to all the other security depts, what do the rest of them look like.....when is it that this nation is going to wake the F**** up and do something.....or are we as a nation going to be the first to fold it's DND because it was to expensive to operate... For comparison purposes, Australia has roughly the same size regular military (although Canada has 50% larger population) but they spend about $30 billion on it to our $20 billion). The result is Australia has a very modern, well-equipped military with far greater capability than Canada's. It has more of just about everything, from fighters, to transport aircraft to, warships, to armored vehicles. And they tend to be far more modern. I'd like someone to explain to me how a country with 23 million people can spend 50% more than we do, and yet also retain a robust social safety net, first rate health care system, and lower taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 By carrying a bigger debt perhaps? http://www.australiandebtclock.com.au/ = $69,588 per person in Australia http://www.debtclock.ca/ = $17,599.43 per person in Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 Canada debt to GDP 91.5% Australia debt to GDP 36.8% http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/government-debt-to-gdp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 Well, something doesn't make sense here. I guess the only conclusion one can draw is that defenders of the right figure Canadians suck at everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Well, something doesn't make sense here. I guess the only conclusion one can draw is that defenders of the right figure Canadians suck at everything. At this point, even the Canadian defenders of the left admit that Canada really sucks at military procurement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, eyeball said: Well, something doesn't make sense here. I guess the only conclusion one can draw is that defenders of the right figure Canadians suck at everything. It does if you read your links properly. First, that $69,588 you quoted for Australia is GDP per person, not debt. Second, the Australian clock gives total debt, the Canadian clock shows federal debt only. Edited May 8, 2017 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) The Australian debt clock puts total government dept at 715 billion or about $28,000 per person. Canada's total government debt is to hit 1.3 trillion this year or about $37,000 per person. That's in CAD and AUS dollars which are pretty much equal depending on the day. In 2015 Australia's per capita GDP was quite a bit higher than Canada's Per Capita GDP by country Don't feel too bad, Americans owe over $61,000 USD each in total government debt. Edited May 7, 2017 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 I have no doubt that the Liberals, who are, of course, interested in making Canada a serious player in the world, will immediately agree to the Senate's recommendation that we purchase 12 submarines at a cost of $50 billion. Good job, senate. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/report-calls-for-12-new-subs-for-canada-50-billion-price-tag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 It appears that the liberals have a new plan , to spend more on DND, it appears that our military is in a sorry state and even the liberals agree something needs to get done. Bravo zulu liberals, for taking your first steps to governance and making decisions that may not be the popular ones....If you carry out the plan you'll being more than the cons did.....i guess we will have to wait and see, after all they did not answer where all the new funding is coming from..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: It appears that the liberals have a new plan , to spend more on DND, it appears that our military is in a sorry state and even the liberals agree something needs to get done. Bravo zulu liberals, for taking your first steps to governance and making decisions that may not be the popular ones....If you carry out the plan you'll being more than the cons did.....i guess we will have to wait and see, after all they did not answer where all the new funding is coming from..... Their 'plan' to spend more on DND, isn't really going to get into gear until after the next election - presuming they actually ever carry it out. It's noteworthy that Trump will need to be elected before then, too. I think this is just Trudeau's way of buying time, and will be abandoned if Trump loses the next election. Edited June 8, 2017 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) Awful decision by our government to waste more money on military for no good reason other than to appease Donald Trump. Sad that all 3 major parties 'agree'. This is what is awful about the first past the post system, it results in very little political diversity on parliament hill. I say, have a referendum on if the Canadian people really want to waste 2% of our GDP on military. Edited June 8, 2017 by -1=e^ipi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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