bush_cheney2004 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Posted December 8, 2016 Just now, Omni said: The troops in Iraq were at their highest during the last year of Bush. Luckily Patreaeus convinced Bush they should get the hell out of there so he sent some home but then a bunch to another waste of time war in Afghanistan, and look at the mess that left. Lets hope your Trump reads a bit about history from time to time and takes a lesson from it. President Trump will do whatever he wants to execute policy. Canada left a "mess" in Afghanistan too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted December 8, 2016 Report Posted December 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: President Trump will do whatever he wants to execute policy. Canada left a "mess" in Afghanistan too. Then like I say, lets hope he has learned something from previous gross errors. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Posted December 8, 2016 Just now, Omni said: Then like I say, lets hope he has learned something from previous gross errors. Meh....Trump can do things his way..."history" be damned. Bring ALL the U.S. troops home and let the world fight it out ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted December 8, 2016 Report Posted December 8, 2016 23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Meh....Trump can do things his way..."history" be damned. Bring ALL the U.S. troops home and let the world fight it out ! That would probably be a better idea than going into a non war zone, stirring the pot until everyone is fighting, then completely misreading the politics, and then running away leaving millions of dollars of military equipment behind, and creating an outfit like, oh , say, ISIS. Quote
Argus Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 In keeping with Trump's efforts to show what a 'man of the people' he is, and how he's there for the little guy, Trump named another extremely wealthy man to his cabinet today, this time as labor secretary. Adam Puzder is the owner of fast food emporiums and opposes both minimum wage, and overtime pay. His attitude seems to be that private business ought to be able to pay whatever it feels like, give no benefits, and treat its employees however it wants to. Way to go man-of-the-people. I'm sure Puzder will be there for the blue collar workers who voted for you. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/us/politics/andrew-puzder-labor-secretary-trump.html?_r=0 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 Trump's attitude seems to be that the rich deserve more clout for their vote than the little guy, something Argus has often argued should be the case. Perhaps someone could ask Argus how else this clout should be realized? It seems to me that swamping up the Cabinet is probably the most effective and direct. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Rue Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 19 hours ago, eyeball said: the rich deserve more clout for their vote than the little guy, something Argus has often argued should be the case. Provide one post from Argus where he argued the above. Quote
eyeball Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 50 minutes ago, Rue said: Provide one post from Argus where he argued the above. Here you go. Quote Maybe we could even consider some kind of 'ranked ballot' which gives those who pay more taxes a somewhat higher degree of influence than those who pay none. Argus Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
marcus Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 Trump is surrounding himself with military men and wealthy people who donated to him. Paying back the money people is understandable, but I wonder why there are so many generals surrounding him. I still don't know where he is going to go with his foreign policy. He gave hints that he's an advocate of reducing the wars and not getting involved in conflicts during his campaign, but who knows. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
eyeball Posted December 9, 2016 Report Posted December 9, 2016 He'll probably need the generals to protect him from conflicts involving the little guy's who're not going to get anything. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted December 10, 2016 Report Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rue said: Provide one post from Argus where he argued the above. He's just desperate to gain my attention since his posts have been on my ignore list for a while now due to lack of readable content and weird conspiracy theories. I've complained about people who pay no taxes (30% of the population) having an undue impact on the types of promises politicians make and the kinds of p9oliticians who get elected, it's true. Such people are more likely to support a high tax and spend government since they have no skin in the game and benefit from movement largess so much. My commentary on Trump is more related to the rank hypocrisy of a guy who campaigned as the deeply concerned friend of blue collar America who was going to make Wall Street pay now appointing people to cabinet who are billionaires (including Wall Street people) who who absolutely don't give a damn about blue collar workers. Edited December 10, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 10, 2016 Report Posted December 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Argus said: My commentary on Trump is more related to the rank hypocrisy of a guy who campaigned as the deeply concerned friend of blue collar America who was going to make Wall sTreet pay now appointing people to cabinet who are billionaires (including Wall Street people) who who absolutely don't give a damn about blue collar workers. Argus' commentary on Trump often makes me wonder which one is channelling the other. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Rue Posted December 10, 2016 Report Posted December 10, 2016 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Here you go. He was being sarcastic...guess you are too.... Quote
eyeball Posted December 10, 2016 Report Posted December 10, 2016 Sarcastic? Where? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bob Macadoo Posted December 10, 2016 Report Posted December 10, 2016 17 hours ago, Rue said: He was being sarcastic...guess you are too.... .....just like Trump. Quote
kimmy Posted December 10, 2016 Report Posted December 10, 2016 Rudy Giuliani has pulled himself out of contention for a cabinet post. Kellyanne Conway apparently also doesn't want a full-time job with the administration. She wants to spend time with her children, and working for the administration can be a 24/7 responsibility. And, as I mentioned earlier, working at a government salary would be a huge pay-cut for her. She made millions in just a few months working for Trump, and with the reputation she has built, she can rake in more millions as a consultant over the next couple of years and then really cash in working for some Republican senator in the 2018 elections. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
sharkman Posted December 10, 2016 Report Posted December 10, 2016 Too bad about Conway, she knows how to get things done, but one can certainly understand her reluctance. But Trump seems to be hiring people that are pretty successful in their fields. I'm somewhat puzzled by his treatment of Giuliani, however, I don't think he would have been the best Secretary of State. Quote
segnosaur Posted December 12, 2016 Report Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Here's a partial list of Trump's cabinet picks and other appointees: VP Pence: Once advocated using government funds for gay conversion therapy (a.k.a. "Pray away the gay") http://web.archive.org/web/20010519165033fw_/http://cybertext.net/pence/issues.html Chief of staff Priebus: Ok, fairly reasonable... probably a bone thrown to establishment republicans Chief Strategist Bannon: Involved with Brietbart, a news source well known for racism and anti-semitism National Security Advisor Flynn: Former military officer who has a habit of passing on conspiracy theory non-sense. (He has a son who is even worse, and he was working for his dad.). You would hope that a national security advisor would be better suited at weeding out nonsense from fact, but there you go. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michael-flynn-conspiracy-pizzeria-trump-232227 Secretary of State Tillerson: An oil company executive with no political experience .But, he has ties to Russia. (Some republicans may even have reservations about him) http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/donald-trump-rex-tillerson-secretary-of-state/ Secretary of the Treasury Mnuchin: Former Goldman Sachs executive. (Hopefully he didn't hear any of the speeches Hillary gave, otherwise he may be tainted!) So much for Trump standing up for the little guy. Attorney General Sessions: Once joked he thought the KKK was alright until he learned they smoked pot. Has fought against activists trying to register black voters. http://www.salon.com/2016/11/19/two-peas-in-a-racist-pod-jeff-sessions-alarming-history-of-opposing-civil-rights_partner/ Secretary of Defense Mattis: another former military officer. He may need a waiver because there is a rule against former generals serving as secretary of defense if they haven't been retired long enough (something that the republicans have started using dirty tricks to streamline the process.) Mattis has other problems, the biggest of which is the fact that he serves on the board of directors of a company called Theranos, a company that is in trouble with both the government and investors (some of whom are suing them.). Mattis was also pushing for the government to use Theranos while he was a general. Bit of a conflict of interest there. http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/02/technology/james-mattis-trump-theranos/ Head of the EPA Pruitt: A climate change denier. He's also spent a lot of time during his career fighting the EPA. Housing and Urban Development Carson: He initially turned down one appointment because he "didn't think he was qualified". (So, why exactly did he run for president?) Small Business Admin Linda McMahon: Wife of WWE owner Vince McMahon. Something seems really wrong, given that she seems to be the best of his cabinet picks. Edited December 12, 2016 by segnosaur fixed a link Quote
Hudson Jones Posted December 12, 2016 Report Posted December 12, 2016 ^ Sad looking list. I thought Trump was going to "drain the sewage". He's got establishment and special interest all over his cabinet. Oh, and.... HE'S BAAACCCK! Noted Iraq War Hawk John Bolton Is Trump’s Pick for Deputy Secretary of State Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky) has noted his opposition to John Bolton on many occasions and it would be interesting to see how Paul will react to Trump going for Bolton as the Deputy Secretary of State instead of the Secretary of State. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Posted December 12, 2016 John Bolton...great pick ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
segnosaur Posted December 12, 2016 Report Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said: ^ Sad looking list. I thought Trump was going to "drain the sewage". He's got establishment and special interest all over his cabinet. Actually he said he was going to "drain the swamp"... he just didn't say where he was going to drain it. I guess he figures into his cabinet is about the best place. Quote Noted Iraq War Hawk John Bolton Is Trump’s Pick for Deputy Secretary of State But... but... Trump is non-interventionalist! He was against the Libyan and Iraq wars! (Well, he was for the wars first, but when did that little fact get in the way of a Trump supporter?) Edited December 12, 2016 by segnosaur Quote
Argus Posted December 13, 2016 Report Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, segnosaur said: Secretary of State Tillerson: An oil company executive with no political experience .But, he has ties to Russia. (Some republicans may even have reservations about him) Some of the US news shows are saying Tillerson is non-confirmable. The Democrats will oppose him, and there are enough Republicans with strong feelings about Russia, like McCain and Rubio that they'll never get 51 votes in the Senate. With the doubts growing about Trump's friendly attitude towards Russia, even among Republicans, he might find it necessary to appoint someone like Romney - no friend of Russia - as his Secretary of State. Edited December 13, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted December 13, 2016 Report Posted December 13, 2016 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/12/donald-trump-interviewed-mitt-romney-to-torture-him-roger-stone-says.html Quote Donald Trump’s long-time but informal adviser Roger Stone says the Secretary of State job was dangled in front of Mitt Romney in order to “torture” him for previously opposing the president-elect. During a Sunday appearance on InfoWars with Alex Jones, a conspiratorial media outlet that has become a mouthpiece of the next president, Stone called Romney a “choker” and said that Trump was simply toying with him. Well, well. I really don't believe anything on InfoWars but if this is true it doesn't bode well for someone whose whole success will be built on building allegiances. I guess Trump never had to do that much in the past did he ? Or did he ? In any case he will be in a position where there are a lot of people he can't "fire": The GOP establishment, congress, China, the American people, the world... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted December 13, 2016 Report Posted December 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/12/donald-trump-interviewed-mitt-romney-to-torture-him-roger-stone-says.html Well, well. I really don't believe anything on InfoWars but if this is true it doesn't bode well for someone whose whole success will be built on building allegiances. I guess Trump never had to do that much in the past did he ? Or did he ? In any case he will be in a position where there are a lot of people he can't "fire": The GOP establishment, congress, China, the American people, the world... Even if he can't "fire" those people, eg. China and the others, he can certainly demonstrate for all of us to see how visceral they are. You can't even make a phone call, and they start showing their nuclear war craft. We in the west should pay close heed to this, and sanction China ourselves... with our wallets. All I need our illustrious leaders to do is make sure I know where products come from. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 13, 2016 Report Posted December 13, 2016 Nuclear war isn't really the most likely danger here. A simple man who thinks he can control the forces of economics is what scares me more. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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