Poll: Wynne at 14%. Will she have to step down to save the party?

[taxme]

On 11/8/2016 at 5:14 AM, Rue said:

The friggin province is bankrupt. The friggin country is bankrupt. Given the preference of Ontarians to keep the feds and prov government different the pattern probably will see a PC government come back in and be faced with collosal debts. What can they do? Even if they slash government departments  and go the way of Mike Harris, etc., the interest on the debts now accruing from the McGuinty-Wynne years can't magically be erased. The new government will be tempted to  sell off things like the LCBO which I think would be a mistake but will be too tempting to resist as a quick fix.

Its bleak. When governments like the ones we have now fed and prov run huge deficits, instant cures from the next gov. aren't possible.

Ontario is in for some tough fiscal times dealing with the impact of this crazed deficit spending.

Canada will follow. Trudeau is another feel good Wynne spending like some maniac not giving a thought to the future. In his world like Wynne's they are divine and anointed by God. Their visions are not to  be questioned. St. Justin of Trudeau and St. Catherine of Wynne will lead us off the cliffs. I never was a fan of the Saints. Joan of Arc for example, a tad deluded. I like St. Francis though. I mean he liked animals. 

If Ontarions, including Canadians want to save this country from a debt that may one day explode we need to stop with the leftists marxist agendas and programs that have gotten this country in debt. Alone I could save Canada hundreds of billions of tax dollars being blown every year by eliminating bilingualism, multiculturalism, massive immigration, foreign-aid, down size the military, refusing to take in refugees, the promoting of the gay lifestyle, and there must be so much more that I am not aware of that would put money back in taxpayer's pockets, which should help to get this huge amount of debt of the taxpayer's backs. Government is so big in Canada that it is wrecking havoc on our social and medical services and our infrastructure. We need to start implementing common sense and logic and get away from this emotionalism and political correctness that is destroying this great country of ours. It is time to bite the bullet, and start this country back on track and force our politicians to give to what Canadians what they need and want, not what our phony politicians think that we need. Politicians are there to look after our tax dollars, not blow them just to look good and politically correct and try to get elected the next time around. If politicians did their job right, they would get elected the next time around. Until Canadians start to pay attention to what their fake leaders are doing to them and their tax dollars nothing will change. The Trudeaus, the Wynnes, and the Notleys, and many more like them will still continue to carry us all on the road to ruin. They do not appear to care about Canada or Canadians all that much but appear to show concern for themselves and what they can get out of the rest of us. Just my humble opinion, of course. 

 

[betsy]

Obviously, there's lack of confidence in her.  Can Wynn not be forced to step down?

Edited November 19, 2016 by betsy

[Argus]

On 10/23/2016 at 9:51 PM, Ash74 said:

So a nineteen year old bible thumper is running in hudaks old riding. 

This is the social conservative crap that the keeps people like Wynne in power. 

The flip side is if the Liberals lose both bi-elections it might very well be the point she gets pushed out. 

Shouldn't social conservatives be allowed to vote? Shouldn't they have representation?

[Argus]

On 10/25/2016 at 5:49 PM, Ash74 said:

Yeah. That is what the PCs need to stay away from. The bible thumping Crack pots that give the Liberals the ammunition  to stay in power.  

If you prefer a corrupt and incompetent government running the province into the ground than a government which has some social conservatives, I suppose...

Harper's government had social conservatives. Abortion still legal? Gay rights threatened? Death penalty back?

[August1991]

Wynne at 14%? Almost like Marois. Wait for Notley.

Leftist women are unelectable. (Like any man with a beard.) 

[Ash74]

6 hours ago, Argus said:

If you prefer a corrupt and incompetent government running the province into the ground than a government which has some social conservatives, I suppose...

Harper's government had social conservatives. Abortion still legal? Gay rights threatened? Death penalty back?

I couldn't care less about the Bible thumping crowd except when their preaching their dogma it scares the swing voter.

Sure most people shake their heads when protesters flip out because somebody assumed a cats gender but when leaders are accused of being against abortion or same sex marriages the professional protesters come up with great zeal.

I loathe the ontario liberals . I have stated given the choice between Wynne or Trump I would defend my vote for Trump even as the nukes flew overhead.

 

[betsy]

On 11/19/2016 at 11:15 PM, Ash74 said:

I couldn't care less about the Bible thumping crowd except when their preaching their dogma it scares the swing voter.

Sure most people shake their heads when protesters flip out because somebody assumed a cats gender but when leaders are accused of being against abortion or same sex marriages the professional protesters come up with great zeal.

I loathe the ontario liberals . I have stated given the choice between Wynne or Trump I would defend my vote for Trump even as the nukes flew overhead.

 

One thing I couldn't help notice during election campaigns:  conservatives seems to be more likely to say the most inappropriate things.  I agree with Ash74. 

When you're trying to win voters who don't share your religious belief, you've got to be practical on how you go about it.   

Edited November 21, 2016 by betsy

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

When you're trying to win voters who don't share your religious belief, you've got to be practical on how you go about it.   

Its when Christians support a leader whose faking his religious belief that practicality smells like something else. 

[Boges]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Its when Christians support a leader whose faking his religious belief that practicality smells like something else. 

As opposed to the Liberal candidate who fakes everything. 

[eyeball]

It's being faked out that's at issue.

[Ash74]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

As opposed to the Liberal candidate who fakes everything. 

I love the concern that Wynne is now showing the people of ontario of hydro bills. People have only been screaming for a few years now. But lose a safe seat and all of a sudden she sees it is an issue. 

Nothing is more fake than wynnes concern for anything except what might get her reelected. 

[taxme]

On 11/19/2016 at 2:36 AM, betsy said:

Obviously, there's lack of confidence in her.  Can Wynn not be forced to step down?

Wynne wants to get rid of the words mom and dad now. Ever more reason to have her forced out of office. These lieberal/socialists are crazy in the head. Why is everything so traditionally Canadian being changed to appear non-family? What next? Children will be called units, and not son or daughter anymore? Ontario has to have the most sickest of politically correct fake and phony politicians on earth. They really do come up with silly azz things that nobody is asking for nor wants. They just keep on blowing taxpayer's tax dollars on stupid and useless Marxist programs and agendas. 

 

[Ash74]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Wynne wants to get rid of the words mom and dad now. Ever more reason to have her forced out of office. These lieberal/socialists are crazy in the head. Why is everything so traditionally Canadian being changed to appear non-family? What next? Children will be called units, and not son or daughter anymore? Ontario has to have the most sickest of politically correct fake and phony politicians on earth. They really do come up with silly azz things that nobody is asking for nor wants. They just keep on blowing taxpayer's tax dollars on stupid and useless Marxist programs and agendas. 

 

The way things are going the only thing it will be safe to call anybody is comrade or citizen. 

[betsy]

11 hours ago, taxme said:

Wynne wants to get rid of the words mom and dad now. Ever more reason to have her forced out of office. These lieberal/socialists are crazy in the head. Why is everything so traditionally Canadian being changed to appear non-family? What next? Children will be called units, and not son or daughter anymore? Ontario has to have the most sickest of politically correct fake and phony politicians on earth. They really do come up with silly azz things that nobody is asking for nor wants. They just keep on blowing taxpayer's tax dollars on stupid and useless Marxist programs and agendas. 

 

 Her priorities are so out to lunch!   All she's focused on is her own gender agenda.  That's what we get for voting in someone like her.  

You don't vote in someone for simply being a lesbian just to make a statement!  So we got the first lesbian PM in Ontario - whoooopie.   And she's proved to be a dud.  Liberals who voted her in must've done their crazy dance too when she won.

 

Liberalism is a mental disorder.  What more proof do we need?

Edited November 25, 2016 by betsy

[taxme]

On 11/25/2016 at 2:55 AM, betsy said:

 Her priorities are so out to lunch!   All she's focused on is her own gender agenda.  That's what we get for voting in someone like her.  

You don't vote in someone for simply being a lesbian just to make a statement!  So we got the first lesbian PM in Ontario - whoooopie.   And she's proved to be a dud.  Liberals who voted her in must've done their crazy dance too when she won.

 

Liberalism is a mental disorder.  What more proof do we need?

The sad part about it all is that liberalism is running rampant in this country. Hey, the sheeple put the federal liberal party in power, like they did in Ontario, and that says it all about the mental condition of most of the politically correct brainwashed Canadians. And these sheeple are allowed to vote. 

[taxme]

On 11/24/2016 at 5:53 PM, Ash74 said:

The way things are going the only thing it will be safe to call anybody is comrade or citizen. 

The way things are going in Canada we will all end up like those zombie liberal sheeple. Get up, go to work, come home after work have dinner, watch TV, and keep your mouth shut, and go back to bed, and do it all over again tomorrow.  

[Bob Macadoo]

On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Ash74 said:

The way things are going the only thing it will be safe to call anybody is comrade or citizen. 

Thought you were just fiscally opposed to gov't.....hitching your wagon to any passing populist Crazy Train now?  Good model down south........be careful what you wish for.....

[Ash74]

51 minutes ago, Bob Macadoo said:

Thought you were just fiscally opposed to gov't.....hitching your wagon to any passing populist Crazy Train now?  Good model down south........be careful what you wish for.....

My issue is with the witch burning going on in Universities

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/11/05/when-beliefs-about-gender-identity-and-views-on-freedom-of-speech-clash.html

I am all for health care and quality education but I am against a "thought police".

I think a person has the right to be a man or women because3 it is not any of my business. I also think a person has the right to disagree with me.

[H10]

The problem is the pc party is so bad, they aren't worthy of a vote.  I wish there was a 3rd party who was realistic to vote for.

Wynne will win because ONtario is so heavily dependent on government employers, teachers, police, city workers, courts, etc. And they all have fmailies who vote.

[cybercoma]

On 11/19/2016 at 6:36 AM, betsy said:

Obviously, there's lack of confidence in her.  Can Wynn not be forced to step down?

You do realize that someone else from the Ontario Liberals takes her place if she steps down, right?

[H10]

On 11/9/2016 at 7:02 PM, taxme said:

If Ontarions, including Canadians want to save this country from a debt that may one day explode we need to stop with the leftists marxist agendas and programs that have gotten this country in debt. Alone I could save Canada hundreds of billions of tax dollars being blown every year by eliminating bilingualism, multiculturalism, massive immigration, foreign-aid, down size the military, refusing to take in refugees, the promoting of the gay lifestyle, and there must be so much more that I am not aware of that would put money back in taxpayer's pockets, which should help to get this huge amount of debt of the taxpayer's backs.+

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Government is so big in Canada that it is wrecking havoc on our social and medical services and our infrastructure. We need to start implementing common sense and logic and get away from this emotionalism and political correctness that is destroying this great country of ours. It is time to bite the bullet, and start this country back on track and force our politicians to give to what Canadians what they need and want, not what our phony politicians think that we need. Politicians are there to look after our tax dollars, not blow them just to look good and politically correct and try to get elected the next time around. If politicians did their job right, they would get elected the next time around. Until Canadians start to pay attention to what their fake leaders are doing to them and their tax dollars nothing will change. The Trudeaus, the Wynnes, and the Notleys, and many more like them will still continue to carry us all on the road to ruin. They do not appear to care about Canada or Canadians all that much but appear to show concern for themselves and what they can get out of the rest of us. Just my humble opinion, of course. 

 

 

I'm falling over dying, at first it started out ok, then you went out on a senile rant.  How does multiculturalism and immigration or gay lifestyle cost the country billions?  Do you not realize that most the tourist are coming here for the multiculturalism, the entire real estate and legal market is dependent on immigration and that the immigrant cities are carrying the economy of the rest of the country?  Immigrants are bringing in foreign money where Canada has no worthwhile exports to finance their caviar and 4 wheel drive lifestyle.  And how do gays cost billions?

The people taking up all the services with no jobs in rural and small town Canada are the burden, the average gdp per capita in toronto is over 100k per person, the average home price is over 1 million, and it is 50% immigrants, do you really think immigrants need kenora Ontario or moose lips saskatchewan to succeed in Canada?  Canadians are low iq on a whole, they waste so much money on bilingualism I just roll on the floor in laughter.  You have provinces with virtually no french people blowing a gasket on french immersion that is useless.  Why would Trudeau, Wynne and Notley be any different than the rest of the country, just me, me me, screw everyone else. This is how Canadians think.  You want to blame immigrants go ahead.  But whose fault is it that white people, native indian people, african canadian people who were living in vancouver and BC since the 1800s are selling their houses they paid nothing or $50,000 for in the 1950s for $1-$5 million.  I don't know a single person who turned down the money and said, I don't want your money, I have strong Canadian values.  Nope it was all gimme gimme gimme and take the money to go buy drugs to use at the injection site in Vancouver.

 

Can't blame immigrants for our own stupidity, and Canada is a nation largely made up of immigrants.

 

[PIK]

On 11/7/2016 at 10:10 AM, Boges said:

Thats not a forgone conclusion. 

"OMG Patrick Brown tried to placate Social Conservatives!!! He's unfit to lead!!!". There is a faction of the PC Party that want Patrick Brown to step down because he back-tracked on scrapping the Sex Ed Curriculum. 

Public Sector Unions will rally around Wynne and ads on the radio will say that if Patrick Brown is elected the electricity grid will collapse and children will not be educated. Fear Mongering seems to work well in Ontario. 

I just hope the PCs can come out with a reasonable platform and realize that you don't have to be 100% honest like Hudak tried to be. It seems Ontarians don't mind being lied to. They want to be told everything will be alright, even if you will have to scale back spending to even approach a balanced budget. 

Trudeau just gave the PS  5.5% raise, what is wynne planning to keep these people in line?

[H10]

Ontario is a leftist province, is Liberals lose, and there is no guarantee they do, but if they do, Id expect to see an ndp government or coaliton. I would not mind patrick brown, he seems better than wynne.

[Ash74]

2 minutes ago, hernanday said:

Ontario is a leftist province, is Liberals lose, and there is no guarantee they do, but if they do, Id expect to see an ndp government or coaliton. I would not mind patrick brown, he seems better than wynne.

If Wynne wins a majority or even a minority again it will be the ultimate humiliation of the other two parties and prove how foolish the people of this province are. 

Wynne and her cronies have fleeced and lied to the people of this province for 13 years and the fact there is still 16 percent of the population believing the Liberals are doing a good job are either in the party or benefiting from the government directly. 

The latest tax grab called cap and trade has not even started yet and the Liberals are misrepresenting and lying about the costs that will continue to hurt the economy and the people of all classes in this once great province. 

[H10]

3 hours ago, Ash74 said:

If Wynne wins a majority or even a minority again it will be the ultimate humiliation of the other two parties and prove how foolish the people of this province are. 

Wynne and her cronies have fleeced and lied to the people of this province for 13 years and the fact there is still 16 percent of the population believing the Liberals are doing a good job are either in the party or benefiting from the government directly. 

The latest tax grab called cap and trade has not even started yet and the Liberals are misrepresenting and lying about the costs that will continue to hurt the economy and the people of all classes in this once great province. 

 

You don't understand Ontario, the voters are not voting liberal because of a candidate but due to an allegiance to the liberal ideology, liberalism and leftist ideology. 

 

Ontario is the province that believes government can and should work for you to reduce your problems.  Hence that whole tea party, right wing, get government out of the way will not succeed here.  They can keep losing elections trying it or get with the program.  The NDP have a better chance of forming a government than the conservatives do in Ontario.

 

Wynne was not selected in the typical process, and it wasn't all bad during the 13 years, but they have done alot of bad. The conservative party has only been able to field 1 potential candidate who had any pull in Ontario and it was Rob Ford who was dogged by criminal scandals from drug dealing, beatings, crack smoking, ethics violations and racist language and using sex slurs on tv.

 

I don't see Wynne or her gov't as doing a good job, but I do believe the conservative party will be a much bigger failure as it was under ernie eves, and mike harris.  And most Ontarians think this way.  This is where conservative candidates lose, they try to attack Wynne on her record, and then wynne brings up Harris, and the conservative will lose.  Because the Harris government was easily the worse government in Ontarian history (although the Wynne is the most incompetent and 2nd most corrupt).

 

As far as global adjustment charge, alot of those rural residents and businesses have been getting away with murder, they pay little tax compared to the cities and they were getting free and subsidized electricity charges.  I am glad they have to pay their fair share now.

Isn't cap and trade a national thing?  I believe it is stupid and another tax where money will be wasted.  Toronto has a corrupt mayor, a corrupt premier and the money is mismanaged to the point where even if they had 100% tax, they'd still run out of money, because you can never run out, of someone else's money.