America under President Trump

Infidel Dog · July 27, 2020

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're the one who's mixed up. The mistake/lie you see is a figment of your imagination. What I did was inform WCM that the inspiration he claimed came from CNN actually came from Trump thru Twitter. As I said I made no claim. I asked a question.

I'm sorry but that's a lie. You clearly wanted us to believe that Trump wanted what WCM called "the liberation of 3 entire states via civil war."

That BTW is also a lie or an inability on your part to understand context in Trump's tweet. Who you heard it from is just you thinking you're being clever. It doesn't change what you're claiming. I'm scratching my head why you would lie so openly when what you're saying is so easily disproved with the quote.

On 7/26/2020 at 10:17 AM, WestCanMan said:

Are you 100% certain that their motive for rallying was the liberation of 3 entire states via civil war or did you just hear that CNN or one of their toady outlets?

You gotta admit, that sounds like 100.6% bullshit.

To which you replied:

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I heard it from Trump

Infidel Dog · July 27, 2020

32 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/local/gov-baker-to-provide-update-on-coronavirus-in-mass-8/2166481/%3famp

He said the two clusters stem from a house party on Cape Cod and a hospital in western Massachusetts

So? The numbers are climbing again.....

Apparently. Up and down. Just like the daily positives in Texas and Florida.

So maybe it's not such a wise thing to make wide-sweeping claims based on a steadily fluctuating, current stat. Right Boges?

However it's worth noting that the decrease in positive rate went like this:

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As of Monday, the seven-day weighted average of positive COVID-19 tests stood at 1.7 percent, and it has been below 2 percent for all of July. When the earliest steps of the Baker administration’s reopening plan began on May 18, that figure was 9.6 percent.

Where the rise was in a weekend and went like this:

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two clusters stem from a house party on Cape Cod and a hospital in western Massachusetts

Edited July 27, 2020 by Infidel Dog

Cannucklehead · July 27, 2020

3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Apparently. Up and down. Just like the daily positives in Texas and Florida.

So maybe it's not such a wise thing to make wide-sweeping claims based on a steadily fluctuating, current stat. Right Boges?

However it's worth noting that the decrease in positive rate went like this:

Where the rise was in a weekend and went like this:

Ah so then it's also worth noting that New York's numbers have dropped significantly.

Infidel Dog · July 27, 2020

If you want to make a wide-sweeping claim about a current fluctuating stat you could note that. But I thought we agreed that wouldn't prove much. You could offer it up though so I could reply something like...

New York's low numbers could be a result of the fact those most vulnerable have already been cured or are dead. Any second wave would be delayed.

I thought we went into that.

It's worth remembering it wasn't me who originally brought up Texas and Florida. I'm rebutting an inaccurate claim challenged by changes over time.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Infidel Dog

eyeball · July 27, 2020

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

I'm sorry but that's a lie. You clearly wanted us to believe that Trump wanted what WCM called "the liberation of 3 entire states via civil war."

That BTW is also a lie or an inability on your part to understand context in Trump's tweet. Who you heard it from is just you thinking you're being clever. It doesn't change what you're claiming. I'm scratching my head why you would lie so openly when what you're saying is so easily disproved with the quote.

On 7/26/2020 at 10:17 AM, WestCanMan said:

Are you 100% certain that their motive for rallying was the liberation of 3 entire states via civil war or did you just hear that CNN or one of their toady outlets?

You gotta admit, that sounds like 100.6% bullshit.

To which you replied:

I see now. I overlooked the horseshit WCM read into what I said and you took it too seriously. To be accurate and truthful yourself you'd need to acknowledge that I never said anything about the NFAC liberating any states either. Carving out a new country does mean negotiating with existing countries, states or provinces to contribute some territory to it but that doesn't necesarrily mean violence by default. Take Nunavut for example.

Bearing arms at a protest in the US is perfectly legal and Trump is still an inspiration for people who care about their liberty. Where's the downside?

Edited July 27, 2020 by eyeball

WestCanMan · July 27, 2020

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I see now. I overlooked the horseshit WCM read into what I said and you took it too seriously. To be accurate and truthful yourself you'd need to acknowledge that I never said anything about the NFAC liberating any states either. Carving out a new country does mean negotiating with existing countries, states or provinces to contribute some territory to it but that doesn't necesarrily mean violence by default. Take Nunavut for example.

Bearing arms at a protest in the US is perfectly legal and Trump is still an inspiration for people who care about their liberty. Where's the downside?

Grow up eyeball. Be more specific if you don't want people to guess wtf you're talking about.

I actually tried to make it look like what you were saying was somehow true.

eyeball · July 28, 2020

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Grow up eyeball. Be more specific if you don't want people to guess wtf you're talking about.

Do something about your senescence.

For the umpteenth time I asked a very specific simple question, exactly wtf don't you understand about it?

I actually tried to make
it look like what you were saying was somehow true.

Boy does that ever sound specific. Please describe this it you speak of...be specific.

WestCanMan · July 28, 2020

48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do something about your senescence.

For the umpteenth time I asked a very specific simple question, exactly wtf don't you understand about it?

Boy does that ever sound specific. Please describe this it you speak of...be specific.

Wow. This is just basic human communication that you're lacking now.

You had a picture of some black guys with guns and some white guys with guns.

It wasn't Mike Tyson & Eddie Murphy in one pic and Stallone & Gretzky in the other. We were left to guess who they were.

So, exactly, who are the groups, where and when were the pictures taken, and what kinds of things were they doing when the pictures were taken? By the time you answer those questions I should hope that you know the answer anyways but I'll give it to you if you must really need it.

Shady · July 28, 2020

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wow. This is just basic human communication that you're lacking now.

You had a picture of some black guys with guns and some white guys with guns.

It wasn't Mike Tyson & Eddie Murphy in one pic and Stallone & Gretzky in the other. We were left to guess who they were.

So, exactly, who are the groups, where and when were the pictures taken, and what kinds of things were they doing when the pictures were taken? By the time you answer those questions I should hope that you know the answer anyways but I'll give it to you if you must really need it.

He just keeps playing dumb. He’s one of the forum domestic chicken hawks. Advocating, defending and excusing violence while being completely free from any risk of it. Regardless, the only group of people creating their own country was the leftists in Seattle. The ones destroying property and physically attacking people.

Infidel Dog · July 28, 2020

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

I see now. I overlooked the horseshit WCM read into what I said and you took it too seriously.

No.

Can you seriously not stop yourself? WCM's question was clear as daylight. The inference of your reply was equally clear and incorrect. So either you were lying or you're not capable of understanding context. It's as simple as that.

As to the rest I haven't a clue what you're talking about so I edited it from the quote.

Boges · July 28, 2020

15 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

The massive increase of tests accounts for higher infection raw numbers. Currently America tests about 8 times that of Spain and Germany and about 14 times that of France.

I notice you forgot Belgium.

Second waves can still happen in areas where the previous infections were high like Italy or New York. But who was gotten is already gone or cured and immune. Why would it surprise you that it might take a little longer to resurge? As the Guardian told you resurgences are starting to happen in Europe.

And there's all sorts of stats buried within stats. Positivity rate for example would not necessarily include things like false positives or negatives. Who is shown positive in increased testing would be another big one. Younger people are often asymptomatic and have a miniscule death rate yet increased testing would catch them and increase positivity rate. I believe you've already been told this and other arguments against your belief Positivity rate is the be-all, end-all of stats.

Belgium wasn't highlighted in your report. Their spike isn't huge. Certainly not a spike in deaths.

A spike in cases is natural when things start re-opening. But unlike in the US, they aren't being accompanied by hospitalization spikes and appreciable increases in deaths. Or at least not an appreciable drop in deaths.

Testing is often a required because you're really sick. And in places like Florida, 1 in 4 people appear to be sick.

If Positivity rate isn't a good indicator, and new cases isn't a good indicator, then what is the "be-all and end-all? Just plain deaths? Even if that was the only thing that matter. The US is still the only developed nation that still has high daily deaths this far into the pandemic where treatment is much better.

Boges · July 28, 2020

This speaks to Trump's narcissism and complete alternate reality.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/509291-yankees-surprised-by-trump-announcing-plans-to-throw-first-pitch

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The New York Yankees were surprised when President Trump announced his plans to throw the first pitch at a game in August, The New York Times reported Monday.

That's because the team hadn't invited the president, a person with knowledge of Trump's schedule told the Times.

Trump's announcement, which reportedly also came as a surprise to White House staff, came hours before Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, threw out the first pitch at the Washington Nationals' season opener against the Yankees.

An official familiar with his reaction told the Times the president was annoyed about the media attention Fauci was receiving for the pitch. Trump directed staff to call Yankees officials to schedule a date for the first pitch, but a date wasn’t finalized.

So he invites himself to throw out a first pitch then cancels because. . . he's too busy. :lol:

1) He's not too busy, he golf all the time and spends all his day Tweeting.

2) The Yankees didn't invite him. He invited himself only to cancel immediately. The President of the Yankees says he can do it whenever he wants but he cancelled before they could even make an alternative date.

3) He's actually jealous that the US likes Fauci more than they like him.

4) I don't recall Trump every actually doing a First pitch as POSTUS. I'm sure his pride couldn't handle him throwing the ball in the dirt like Fauci did.

He's already done it in 2004.

Edited July 28, 2020 by Boges

Shady · July 28, 2020

47 minutes ago, Boges said:

This speaks to Trump's narcissism and complete alternate reality.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/509291-yankees-surprised-by-trump-announcing-plans-to-throw-first-pitch

So he invites himself to throw out a first pitch then cancels because. . . he's too busy.

1) He's not too busy, he golf all the time and spends all his day Tweeting.

2) The Yankees didn't invite him. He invited himself only to cancel immediately. The President of the Yankees says he can do it whenever he wants but he cancelled before they could even make an alternative date.

3) He's actually jealous that the US likes Fauci more than they like him.

4) I don't recall Trump every actually doing a First pitch as POSTUS. I'm sure his pride couldn't handle him throwing the ball in the dirt like Fauci did.

He's already done it in 2004.

You really should focus on important things. But Trump Derangement Syndrome knows no bounds huh?

Boges · July 28, 2020

1 minute ago, Shady said:

You really should focus on important things. But Trump Derangement Syndrome knows no bounds huh?

Like Trump should focus on COVID-19 and not fake inviting himself to throw an opening pitch or brag that he's all "cognatively there".

Shady · July 28, 2020

Just now, Boges said:

Like Trump should focus on COVID-19 and not fake inviting himself to throw an opening pitch or brag that he's all "cognatively there".

Sure.

WestCanMan · July 28, 2020

3 hours ago, Boges said:

Like Trump should focus on COVID-19 and not fake inviting himself to throw an opening pitch or brag that he's all "cognatively there".

We focus way too much on C19 here.

At it's peak C19 killed less BC residents than Fentanyl did, and now it's at less than 1/3.

Fentanyl deaths are, on average, people who have 40+ years worth of life expectancy.

On average the vast majority of C19 deaths are mostly robbing people of 1 year or less here, because over 80% of our C19 deaths come from care homes.

Covid is bad, and at-risk people should protect themselves, but it's completely dominating our society and it shouldn't be.

Even in the US, C19 kills less people than medical mistakes, which kill between 250,000 & 440,000 Americans per year, according to Johns Hopkins.

Boges · July 28, 2020

Just now, WestCanMan said:

We focus way too much on C19 here.

At it's peak C19 killed less BC residents than Fentanyl did, and now it's at less than 1/3.

Fentanyl deaths are, on average, people who have 40+ years worth of life expectancy.

On average the vast majority of C19 deaths are mostly robbing people of 1 year or less here, because over 80% of our C19 deaths come from care homes.

Covid is bad, and at-risk people should protect themselves, but it's completely dominating our society and it shouldn't be.

Even in the US, C19 kills less people than medical mistakes, which kill between 250,000 & 440,000 Americans per year, according to Johns Hopkins.

Trump tried to ignore it. But pathetic poll numbers has forced him to focus on it again.

The fact that Canadian deaths are overwhelmingly from LTC homes show how well it was contained compared to other countries. Other countries don't have near that percentage.

bush_cheney2004 · July 28, 2020

Just now, Boges said:

Trump tried to ignore it. But pathetic poll numbers has forced him to focus on it again.

Nope...Trump has never been hostage to poll numbers.

Trump is focusing more on it because of re-opening the economy.....masks are the opiate needed for more economic activity.

Boges · July 28, 2020

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Nope...Trump has never been hostage to poll numbers.

Trump is focusing more on it because of re-opening the economy.....masks are the opiate needed for more economic activity.

Re-opening the economy hastily is how the US got into its current predicament.

Plus, if people fear they aren't safe, they won't flood back to work or back to leisure activities.

bush_cheney2004 · July 28, 2020

Just now, Boges said:

Re-opening the economy hastily is how the US got into its current predicament.

Plus, if people fear they aren't safe, they won't flood back to work or back to leisure activities.

Don't care....the U.S. is not going back to total lockdown.

If the scared people need masks to spend their money, then masks it will be.

Boges · July 28, 2020

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Don't care....the U.S. is not going back to total lockdown.

If the scared people need masks to spend their money, then masks it will be.

What they need is dropping infection rates.

bush_cheney2004 · July 28, 2020

Just now, Boges said:

What they need is dropping infection rates.

It is what it is....pick your own metrics...last week it was "hospitalizations".

Far more people are infected than reported rates....even in...gulp...Canada !

Shady · July 28, 2020

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

Re-opening the economy hastily is how the US got into its current predicament.

Plus, if people fear they aren't safe, they won't flood back to work or back to leisure activities.

That's another lie. States reopened long before cases began to increase. You're getting to be a pathalogical liar. If reopening was to blame, you would've seen cases increase two to three weeks later. Not 8 weeks later, coincidently right around all the protests and riots.

Boges · July 28, 2020

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

That's another lie. States reopened long before cases began to increase. You're getting to be a pathalogical liar. If reopening was to blame, you would've seen cases increase two to three weeks later. Not 8 weeks later, coincidently right around all the protests and riots.

And you're a liar to contend it was protesting. You have no evidence for that.

Proven to you over and over again that states that didn't see protests saw spikes and states that did have protests didn't see nearly as high spikes.

Why has re-opening efforts in most states now stalled? Bars closed again. States not wanting to open schools. Mask mandates.

All because of BLM? Please!

Edited July 28, 2020 by Boges

Shady · July 28, 2020

25 minutes ago, Boges said:

And you're a liar to contend it was protesting. You have no evidence for that.

Proven to you over and over again that states that didn't see protests saw spikes and states that did have protests didn't see nearly as high spikes.

Why has re-opening efforts in most states now stalled? Bars closed again. States not wanting to open schools. Mask mandates.

All because of BLM? Please!

No, I’ve always said it was a combination of protests and people not practicing mitigation and distancing.