America under President Trump

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're conflating allowing illegals to vote by mail with Registered voters from voting in order to avoid waiting in huge lines due to a pandemic. 

It's what the Dems are proposing, not me. Mail-in ballots plus illegals voting. The 'long lines' is just an excuse from the party of: https://www.axios.com/16-things-hillary-clinton-blames-for-her-election-loss-1513305545-cf6505a6-76a8-49a0-989a-1be67190d4ed.html

Who cares how long the lines are? If you want to vote, vote. If you live in an area where the lines are too long because no one wants to volunteer then it sucks to be you.

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If you're a registered voter, you can request a mail in ballot? How is that fraud? 

What if someone just requests ballots for their spouse and kids, who are too lazy or just don't want to vote?

How do you know that a 265 lb guy doesn't tell his wife and kids who they have to vote for?

How do you know that Antifa or BLM won't force hundreds of people to give them their ballots? 

How do you stop dead people from casting their mail-in ballots? It's much harder for dead people to show up with ID and vote. 

How do you really know that there are 17 illegal immigrants living in a house who all get to vote? 

 

If you had to guess, what percentage of the votes cast inside of polling stations, after presenting 2 pieces of id, do you think would be fraudulent? How hard would it be to commit a massive fraud?

If you had to guess, what percentage of mail-in ballots do you think would be fraudulent? How hard would it be to commit a massive fraud, compared to actually showing up at polling stations with ID?

 

You know all these things. They've been explained to you before. You're just trying to convince people that it's "the best thing for democracy" because you're backing the scammers. 

[Boges]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

What if someone just requests ballots for their spouse and kids, who are too lazy or just don't want to vote?

How do you really know that there are 17 illegal immigrants living in a house who all get to vote? 

If they aren't registered, they don't get a ballot. 

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

I said polling by progressives doesn't appear to affect his policy. Shaking up staff is a Trump business strategy that predates his presidential campaigns and continued after it. Did he demote Parscale or Promote Stepien. Pretending you know is just being attracted to the negative.

Fox News polling is showing similar results. 

[Infidel Dog]

There is debate about how accurate the polling companies Fox hires are too:

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/24/fox-and-friends-host-brian-kilmeade-rejects-trump-officials-claim-that-fox-news-polls-are-fake_partner/

Why do you assume that anybody not on the left side of AOC and Bernie Sanders has to agree with everything Fox does?

 

[Boges]

11 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Why do you assume that anybody not on the left side of AOC and Bernie Sanders has to agree with everything Fox does?

Why is everything that's not lockstep with Trump Leftwing? You characterized conventional polling as "Progressive".

The only polling that seems to think Trump is doing well is the suspect Rassumsen polling and Polls that Trump won't let anyone see. 

[Infidel Dog]

Why? Who said everything not lockstep with Trump is left wing? Nice dodge from the actual question though.

The Trump Campaign's private polling also has him doing well in swing states, according to Trump.

I didn't know about Rasmussen. Had to look it up. Approve versus disapprove appears to be tied up. Thanks for the tip.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

If they aren't registered, they don't get a ballot. 

So how do you stop people from bullying others into voting for whoever they're told to vote for if they fill them out at home?

How do you stop people from just spamming ballots for registered voters? 

How do you register illegal immigrants to vote, and how hard is it for them to scam the system so that they can vote more than once? If I was an illegal immigrant what's stopping me from going to different counties and registering to vote with different names?

You don't understand how hard it is to keep track of citizens with no immigration papers and no gov't issued ID. You only think that this is ok because you think that most of the hard-core cheaters are on the Dem side. People without jobs and without real assets have nothing to lose, they can scam all day and still get their gov't handouts and they'll still get paid to attend riots. Citizens who have houses and who have jobs worth keeping have too much to lose by getting caught in a voting scam.

Edited July 24, 2020 by WestCanMan

[Infidel Dog]

BTW Boges did you catch this?

Europe warns of need for vigilance as Covid-19 cases rise sharply

So now what have you got?

And how will you twist this new supposition in your imagination to reflect negatively on America's President?

Enquiring minds want to know?

Cause it's entertaining. 

[eyeball]

So how do the authorities tell the good guys from the bad guys?

 

 

Definitely popcorn times we live in. 

Edited July 26, 2020 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

So how do the authorities tell the good guys from the bad guys?

 

 

Definitely popcorn times we live in. 

One of those groups was strictly a racist entity with a propaganda arm that’s into fear-mongering and division. It’s entirely bad and the people who are sucked in by their bigoted screed are attacking and even killing people when they think they can get away with it. 

One of those groups was a bunch of kooks protesting government overreach who made a bizarre spectacle of themselves by threatening to stand up to the Michigan government because of it’s aggressive (sometimes farcical) C19 lockdown policies. Their demonstration was entirely stupid, juvenile and dangerous but not inherently evil and they have never conveyed a message of hatred/division or harmed anyone. 
 

There are no “good guys” there. There’s a group of mainly-evil people and a group of idiots who created a very dangerous situation. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

One of those groups was a bunch of kooks protesting government overreach who made a bizarre spectacle of themselves by threatening to stand up to the Michigan government because of it’s aggressive (sometimes farcical) C19 lockdown policies. Their demonstration was entirely stupid, juvenile and dangerous but not inherently evil and they have never conveyed a message of hatred/division or harmed anyone. 
 

There are no “good guys” there. There’s a group of mainly-evil people and a group of idiots who created a very dangerous situation. 

Don't forget the idiots were actually inspired to liberate Michigan, along with Minnesota and Virginia.  Is who inspired them enough to tip the balance away from inherent evil and towards juvenile and dangerous stupidity?  What are more local authorities to make of this difference if and when the shooting starts, use it pick sides?

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget the idiots were actually inspired to liberate Michigan, along with Minnesota and Virginia.  Is who inspired them enough to tip the balance away from inherent evil and towards juvenile and dangerous stupidity?  What are more local authorities to make of this difference if and when the shooting starts, use it pick sides?

Those people broke no laws.  It’s really easy to determine the difference.  One group peacefully protested, breaking no laws.  The other groups destroys private property, public buildings and attacks people that aren’t part of their group.  Quit playing dumb.

[Cannucklehead]

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

Those people broke no laws.  It’s really easy to determine the difference.  One group peacefully protested, breaking no laws.  The other groups destroys private property, public buildings and attacks people that aren’t part of their group.  Quit playing dumb.

 

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2020/4/30/21243462/armed-protesters-michigan-capitol-rally-stay-at-home-order

Journalist Anna Liz Nichols of the nonprofit news organization Michigan Advance

 tweeted that she was hit by the butt of a protester’s rifle, later clarifying that she’s “completely fine.”

 

As the protests progressed, chants of “lock her up,” and “heil Whitmer,” broke out inside the Capitol building.

 

Yes you're right, I dont see anything wrong with what they did.  

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

One group peacefully protested, breaking no laws.  The other groups destroys private property, public buildings and attacks people that aren’t part of their group.

Neither of these independent groups have broken any laws.

[WestCanMan]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget the idiots were actually inspired to liberate Michigan, along with Minnesota and Virginia.  Is who inspired them enough to tip the balance away from inherent evil and towards juvenile and dangerous stupidity?  What are more local authorities to make of this difference if and when the shooting starts, use it pick sides?

All I can comment on what I saw them do, I never heard the same media narrative that you did and I never saw them reading from their manifesto.

Are you 100% certain that their motive for rallying was the liberation of 3 entire states via civil war or did you just hear that CNN or one of their toady outlets? 

You gotta admit, that sounds like 100.6% bullshit.

[WestCanMan]

LOOK AT THE TRAGEDY THAT'S UNFOLDING IN MICHIGAN!!!!! NPR IS REPORTING THAT THE DEMOCRACY IN MICHIGAN WAS ALMOST PUT ON HOLD, PEOPLE HAD TO WEAR VESTS!!!!!!!

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"This is a terribly concerning development in that we have legislators who are showing up to work wearing bulletproof vests. That is disenfranchising thousands of people in our state if their legislator doesn't feel safe enough to go to work and to do what their job is," said Whitmer in her interview on The View.

"I respect people's right to dissent, but that does not extend to endangering other people's lives and we take it very seriously," said Whitmer. Both the state House and Senate, whose schedules are decided by Republican leadership, are adjourned through Tuesday next week.

 

Let's contrast NPR's reporting of 3 days of peaceful (but armed) protests in Michigan with the 59 days of riots in Portland. Look for their concern about the fact that the federal employees in Portland haven't been able to work for 59 days because of actual violent rioters: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/25/895329257/portland-protests-continue-for-59th-consecutive-day

Well, they're not really concerned about the democracy in Portland, at all. In fact, check out these idiots just failing to even notice an actual newsworty story:

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SIEGLER: Not really. You know, I'd say, Leila, city leaders have ordered Portland Police to not cooperate with federal agents. And it's a pretty weird scene. It's hard to know what's going on down here at night. You know, last night, they didn't seem to be blocking off any streets like usual. So you had the public - just cars driving everywhere. And there were thousands of people on the streets. It's chaotic. And it's hard to say where this is headed.

FADEL: That's NPR's Kirk Siegler in downtown Portland, Ore. Kirk, thank you so much.

SIEGLER: You're welcome.

How does "Fadel" not clue into the story that the city has ordered their police to stand down and not stop criminals from destroying buildings within the City limits?

That's like a news reporter covering a story about riots and someone ends with "there was an M1 Abrams tank cruising through the schoolyard firing live rounds at those houses over there last night. See the smoking piles of rubble? Those used to be houses" and they reply with: "That's NPR's Kirk Siegler in downtown Portland, Ore. Kirk, thank you so much."

LMAO. NPR is as bad as CBC.

 

[Shady]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Neither of these independent groups have broken any laws.

  

 

[Shady]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

All I can comment on what I saw them do, I never heard the same media narrative that you did and I never saw them reading from their manifesto.

Are you 100% certain that their motive for rallying was the liberation of 3 entire states via civil war or did you just hear that CNN or one of their toady outlets? 

You gotta admit, that sounds like 100.6% bullshit.

He’s full of shit.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Cannucklehead said:

 

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2020/4/30/21243462/armed-protesters-michigan-capitol-rally-stay-at-home-order

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

@ Shady - I think when he says that "neither of the groups have broken any laws" he's referring specifically to that group on Stone [?] Mountain that marched with all the guns, on that day, at that time.

There's virtually no doubt that they collectively rioted together at some point in time at a different location, but at that time, on Stone Mountain, they didn't commit acts of violence.

The case could be made that they terrorized some families, which is a serious enough crime of it's own, but they won't be prosecuted for it now because of the current political climate. 

[Infidel Dog]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

So how do the authorities tell the good guys from the bad guys?

 

 

Definitely popcorn times we live in. 

Luckily both groups are pretty small and any damage they may have done is limited.

The top one goes back to days ago. They call themselves the NFAC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Fucking_Around_Coalition.  They haven't been around long. We started hearing about them after the Breona Taylor incident. They haven't done much actual damage. Maybe stopped traffic in a national park while armed and threatened drivers. And 2 or 3 of the dummies shot each other in a confrontation with 3 percenters.

The bottom pic goes back at least 3 years and may have been taken at at Charlottesville. They seem to be connected to a larger grouping sometimes called 3 percenters or boogaloo boys. Those might connect better with Antifa except they're usually more associated with the Libertarian right rather than neo or anarcho Marxist movements of the left. Wikipedia describes them as a loosely organized American far-right anti-government extremist movement. A couple months ago they were connected to "two ambush-style attacks [that] occurred against security personnel and law enforcement officers in California."

I got the basic info on the 2 pics here:

https://tineye.com/search/60687cf96714844027599b5cfc62f43c93a4a56c?sort=score&order=desc&page=1

https://travelwirenews.com/member-of-black-only-nfac-militia-reportedly-shoots-himself-by-mistake-at-louisville-rally-video-1829187/

Edited July 26, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[WestCanMan]

On 7/24/2020 at 11:28 AM, Boges said:

Why is everything that's not lockstep with Trump Leftwing? You characterized conventional polling as "Progressive".

The only polling that seems to think Trump is doing well is the suspect Rassumsen polling and Polls that Trump won't let anyone see. 

Polling is left-wing garbage/propaganda, plain and simple. The last elections in Canada and the US proved that. "Polling shows that Canadians don't care about Trudeau's minor failure to recuse himself". 

FWIW I personally never use the word 'progressive' to describe leftists because they aren't 'progressive'. 

[Infidel Dog]

However Eyeball, if what you asking is 'how do authorities decide which side would be be better to concentrate their attention on' I can help you with that one.

It's a matter of deciding where is the most damage coming from in general - extremists damaging property and their fellow citizens from the left or from the right.

I can show you the answer to that question with a simple challenge.

I'll show you the damage being currently inflicted on people and property from the left. Feel free to try to match it with current stories of damage to people and property coming from extremists on the right.

Demonstrators Attack Federal Buildings in L.A. in Solidarity with Portland

Clip uncut by MSM showing violence from leftist extremists as shown at white House press briefing.

Suspect In Custody After Fatal Shooting At Austin BLM Protest

Seattle Riot: Police Arrest 45 After ‘Explosives’ Thrown at Officers

Video Shows Portland Rioters Allegedly Attempting To Blind Federal Agents With Lasers

Car Drives Through Mob of Protesters on Colorado Highway, Protester Shoots Fellow Protesters While Trying to Shoot Driver (VIDEO)

Antifa Terrorists Randomly Attack Business Owners and Employees…Torch Buildings…Warn People Living Above Starbucks To Evacuate! [VIDEO]

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

All I can comment on what I saw them do, I never heard the same media narrative that you did and I never saw them reading from their manifesto.

Are you 100% certain that their motive for rallying was the liberation of 3 entire states via civil war or did you just hear that CNN or one of their toady outlets? 

You gotta admit, that sounds like 100.6% bullshit.

I heard it from Trump.

 

[Infidel Dog]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Polling is left-wing garbage/propaganda, plain and simple. The last elections in Canada and the US proved that. "Polling shows that Canadians don't care about Trudeau's minor failure to recuse himself". 

FWIW I personally never use the word 'progressive' to describe leftists because they aren't 'progressive'. 

This one adds an interesting perspective on why current polling might not be giving an accurate picture of what the American public is really thinking politically:

More Evidence That Trump’s Silent Majority Is Real

New poll says moderates and conservatives are genuinely afraid to discuss their politics.

A poll speaking against polls. That's fun. 

Oh and WestCanMan man, here's a suggestion. You might try what some on the classic liberal left call those who self-identify as something they call "Progressive." The Regressive Left.