bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: "Rebounding" I'm sure all the catastrophe of the past few weeks has altered those rosy predictions. Catastrophe had far more impact on Canada's economy....oil prices...rail stoppages...capital flight. ...and that was before the COVID pandemic hit hard. President Trump pushed for NAFTA 2.0 to start on July 1.....and so it did. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCanMan Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Boges said: Which is why the re-opening has been gradual and cautious in Canada. Unlike in parts of the US which are seeing outbreaks worse than was seen in April. Everything in Canada re: covid has been late, idiotic, or unnecessary. Everything. You name the topic, I'll tell you how it was one of those 3 things. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Boges Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Everything in Canada re: covid has been late, idiotic, or unnecessary. Everything. You name the topic, I'll tell you how it was one of those 3 things. And all that the US has done is brilliant? I remember you pinned all the US COVID issues to the population density of New York and Canada has skated because of its low population density. How does that narrative work when you have record per capita outbreaks in suburb-infesded Florida, Arizona and Texas? Quote
Boges Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Catastrophe had far more impact on Canada's economy....oil prices...rail stoppages...capital flight. ...and that was before the COVID pandemic hit hard. President Trump pushed for NAFTA 2.0 to start on July 1.....and so it did. You don't think cratering oil prices and the decimation of the hospitality industry isn't going to hurt the US economy? Quote
dialamah Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Boges said: "Rebounding" I'm sure all the catastrophe of the past few weeks has altered those rosy predictions. Slow and steady wins the race ... Quote
Boges Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Shady said: You're just too partisan to discuss anything rational about Trump. But, yes, as I've already said, the nation wide protests involving hundreds of thousands of people packed on top of each other day after day for 3 weeks straight really caused significant problems. Luckily no other countries had to face the same predicament. And you're too partisan to recognize that protests, if at all, are only a fraction of the outbreaks we're seeing now. Many protestors were wearing masks. You have people, in the US and some in Canada, who think being asked to wear a mask in indoor public places is tantamount to living in Nazi Germany. And that's the big problem. They feel public health guidelines infringe on their freedom. Edited July 9, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boges said: You don't think cratering oil prices and the decimation of the hospitality industry isn't going to hurt the US economy? Not as much as they hurt Canada's economy, which is far more dependent on exports. The closed border also impacts Canada more than the U.S. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: You have people, in the US and some in Canada, who think being asked to wear a mask in indoor public places is tantamount to living in Nazi Germany. And that's the big problem. They feel public health guidelines infringe on their freedom. ...and that's because they do infringe on their freedom(s). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: ...and that's because they do infringe on their freedom(s). So do Seatbelts and laws that require you to wear clothes. Quote
Shady Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Boges said: And you're too partisan to recognize that protests, if at all, are only a fraction of the outbreaks we're seeing now. Many protestors were wearing masks. You have people, in the US and some in Canada, who think being asked to wear a mask in indoor public places is tantamount to living in Nazi Germany. And that's the big problem. They feel public health guidelines infringe on their freedom. Well, officials in Los Angeles and Miami beg to differ. They're suggesting that protests had a significant impact. Masks don't help if people are shoulder to shoulder, sweating all over each other and touching each other and then possibly their face and/or eyes. I agree though, some people have become complacent or refuse to practice proper mitigation. Quote
dialamah Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: ...and that's because they do infringe on their freedom(s). Since when does freedom mean I can do whatever the fvk I want, even if it endangers other people? Can people drive as fast as they want because "freedom"? Can people drink and drive because "freedom"? Can people rob because "freedom"? Can people assault, rape and murder because "freedom"? Wearing a mask merely means you care enough about other people to not endanger them. Claiming it infringes on some personal freedom is ridiculous, selfish and entitled. These people are snowflakes who can't handle a small amount of personal inconvenience for the protection of their fellow citizens, their economy and their country. Your president is a narcissistic fool who enables these snowflakes. Quote
Shady Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Boges said: So do Seatbelts and laws that require you to wear clothes. Seat belts are different, but clothes would be apt. However, I think what people have a problem with is laws that aren't really laws. They haven't been debated on and then passed by legislatures. They're just unilateral edicts. Cities/states/provinces need to start going through the normal process of creating legislation. Quote
Boges Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, Shady said: I agree though, some people have become complacent or refuse to practice proper mitigation. Which is the driver of this moving forward. The record numbers we're seeing today don't factor in the reckless behaviour over the 4th of July weekend. The problem in the US will only get worse. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Boges said: So do Seatbelts and laws that require you to wear clothes. People don't have to drive...but they do have to breathe. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Boges said: Which is the driver of this moving forward. The record numbers we're seeing today don't factor in the reckless behaviour over the 4th of July weekend. The problem in the US will only get worse. I don't think you get it....millions of Americans just don't give a damn about your FEAR. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCanMan Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Boges said: And all that the US has done is brilliant? I guess that no one thing alone that you could do vs covid is brilliant, but the sum of several correct measures is brilliance. Japan told their citizens to wear masks, that's correct, they supplied each household with masks, that's correct, they banned travel from Hubei Province, that was correct, they aggressively traced carriers, that was correct, the sum total of those parts is brilliance. The US banned travel from China and the other covid areas. That was correct. They didn't tell citizens to wear masks, that was not good. They did lots of testing and tracing, but covid had already spread too far, too fast, and with too little of a trace (asymptomatic carriers rendered this one system almost useless). The biggest mistakes made by the US came from the mouths of Democrats. Ride the Subway, eat in restaurants, hang out in big throngs in Chinatown, put sick people back into care homes, etc. All of those things were done by Dems and their Health Officials. Putting sick people back into care homes was the single most idiotic thing done on the planet. Cuomo was actually worse than Trudeau in the 'fight against' covid. Quote I remember you pinned all the US COVID issues to the population density of New York and Canada has skated because of its low population density. That's an over-arching truth that can't be ignored. No matter what you do it takes a lot of time for the 2M people in Edm to infect the 1M people in Winnipeg. It can't happen very fast. Some people have to fly from one city to the other, find some crowded spaces where the virus can spread really fast, and there aren't that many. There's no target-rich environment in Wpg that compares to a subway with 4.3M riders per day. It literally only takes one daily commute for the 2M people in Queens to infect most of the other 2M people in the Bronx. Quote How does that narrative work when you have record per capita outbreaks in suburb-infesded Florida, Arizona and Texas? Miami's MSA has the same population as the GTA. Dallas and Houston both have a larger MSA than Toronto, and it's just a few hrs to drive that far. It's like going from Vancouver to Kamloops. Pho's MSA is just a bit smaller. They had riots every day, we had one or two peaceful protests. Texas also has 30M people. Florida has 21.5M people. Surely you can see how if the population of Canada was compressed to 1/50th it's current size, covid could transfer far more rapidly.... Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
eyeball Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Yes. I was trained by medical professionals. And you... are trained by Google? Heh heh heh No, I've had a lot of medical training from professionals too. They often stressed the importance of knowing your limits and deferring to personnel with higher levels of training. But you're sticking to your claim you were trained to a higher level than Bonnie Henry? I repeat, bull fucking shit you were. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, dialamah said: Since when does freedom mean I can do whatever the fvk I want, even if it endangers other people? Can people drive as fast as they want because "freedom"? Can people drink and drive because "freedom"? Can people rob because "freedom"? Can people assault, rape and murder because "freedom"? Drinking and driving is perfectly legal in the U.S. for adults up to a defined BAC. Quote Wearing a mask merely means you care enough about other people to not endanger them. Claiming it infringes on some personal freedom is ridiculous, selfish and entitled. These people are snowflakes who can't handle a small amount of personal inconvenience for the protection of their fellow citizens, their economy and their country. Your president is a narcissistic fool who enables these snowflakes. ...and we love it. The real fun is watching all the Trump haters flip out...even when they are in a completely different country ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dialamah Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Shady said: Well, officials in Los Angeles and Miami beg to differ. They're suggesting that protests had a significant impact. Masks don't help if people are shoulder to shoulder, sweating all over each other and touching each other and then possibly their face and/or eyes. I agree though, some people have become complacent or refuse to practice proper mitigation. In Tulsa, officials also point to Trump's rally as contributing to the spike in cases there. Herman Cain, who tweeted a pic of himself maskless at the rally, is now in the hospital with Covid. Even if he didn"t pick it up there, he certainly spread it. Quote
Shady Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Boges said: Which is the driver of this moving forward. The record numbers we're seeing today don't factor in the reckless behaviour over the 4th of July weekend. The problem in the US will only get worse. It could be. And? Quote
WestCanMan Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, dialamah said: Since when does freedom mean I can do whatever the fvk I want, even if it endangers other people? Can people drive as fast as they want because "freedom"? Can people drink and drive because "freedom"? Can people rob because "freedom"? Can people assault, rape and murder because "freedom"? Wearing a mask merely means you care enough about other people to not endanger them. Claiming it infringes on some personal freedom is ridiculous, selfish and entitled. These people are snowflakes who can't handle a small amount of personal inconvenience for the protection of their fellow citizens, their economy and their country. Your president is a narcissistic fool who enables these snowflakes. You're comparing not wearing a mask with intentionally murdering someone lol. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Boges Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: It could be. And? This is a problem, for the US, with no end in sight because a certain faction refuse to do anything to prevent transmission. What happens if new cases do get to 100,000 and day like Fauci has predicted? What happens if hospitals across the country all get overrun resulting in a death rate seen in New York or Italy, except over dozens of states and not just two? It'll be an ugly state of affairs. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: What happens if hospitals across the country all get overrun resulting in a death rate seen in New York or Italy, except over dozens of states and not just two? It'll be an ugly state of affairs. It will be like long term care facilities in Canada...oh my !!! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boges said: This is a problem, for the US, with no end in sight because a certain faction refuse to do anything to prevent transmission. What happens if new cases do get to 100,000 and day like Fauci has predicted? What happens if hospitals across the country all get overrun resulting in a death rate seen in New York or Italy, except over dozens of states and not just two? It'll be an ugly state of affairs. Yes, some people haven't cared. And? Quote
Boges Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Miami's MSA has the same population as the GTA. Dallas and Houston both have a larger MSA than Toronto, and it's just a few hrs to drive that far. It's like going from Vancouver to Kamloops. Pho's MSA is just a bit smaller. They had riots every day, we had one or two peaceful protests. Texas also has 30M people. Florida has 21.5M people. Surely you can see how if the population of Canada was compressed to 1/50th it's current size, covid could transfer far more rapidly.... I'm assuming you mean CMAs. I don't know if you've ever been to Florida, but the population density isn't all that huge. Sure lots of people live there, but they aren't getting to work on Subways or commuter trains. Houston is a huge city, but much of it is a sprawling suburb. Ditto with Dallas/Fortworth. The point is that you have a few hundred cases a day vs 10,000 cases a day. A big difference. That can't be dismissed by population density. If Protests/Riots are an indication that would lead one to believe that Social Distancing is a good thing. Something that indoor dining or gathering at Church wouldn't help. Quote
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