America under President Trump

[Rue]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Incorrect. His supporters don't care if he lies towards those who deserve it.

Do you really think Trump lies to people because they "deserve" it and has never lied to anyone who does not deserve it? Really? Give me a break.

More to the point who deserves to be lied to? Even if you disagree with someone's political views why would you think if they disagree with you, lying to them is acceptable? Lying is lying, period. You are trying to rationalize being dishonest on the grounds its ok if you don't agree with a person to lie to them. That's a kind of half-assed way to justify being a liar......if Trump did what he did but was Clinton would you say what you do? Of course not. Just because you agree with his policies does not mean he is not responsible for his lies and unethical and boorish behavior. He has turned the POTUS into his POTTY.

 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Rue

[Rue]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The Democrats invoke capricious process, Trump has the thunderbolts in talons grasped, Andrew Jackson for the win, buh-bye McGovern Hippies.

 

Capricious process? The leader of a country lies non stop, engages in blatant dishonesty and you call it capricious to hold him accountable? I call it capricious to try defend what he has done and refer to his farting and long toe nails as thunderbolts and talons. As for your invoking things from the past I can only assume you got your hands on some kind of recreational substance and are hallucinating.

Edited September 18, 2019 by Rue

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Rue said:

Capricious process? The leader of a country lies non stop, engages in blatant dishonesty and you call it capricious to hold him accountable? I call it capricious to try defend what he has done and refer to his farting and long toe nails as thunderbolts and talons. As for your invoking things from the past I can only assume you got your hands on some kind of recreational substance and are hallucinating.

Four More Years, coming right up.

[Rue]

Thanks Dougie. You forgot to finish it off with 4 more years of JT as well.

 

 

[OftenWrong]

20 minutes ago, Rue said:

Do you really think Trump lies to people because they "deserve" it and has never lied to anyone who does not deserve it? Really? Give me a break.

It was meant in context of Iran. Imagine this is a war on all fronts, including propaganda. That means lying.

[OftenWrong]

25 minutes ago, Rue said:

Just because you agree with his policies does not mean he is not responsible for his lies and unethical and boorish behavior. He has turned the POTUS into his POTTY.

 

As a Canadian I can agree or not, either way it don’t make no nevermind. A lot of people are bothered by the boorish behaviour, having a certain expectation on the president to uphold traditions, along with a the candour and dignity that they expect from someone “presidential”. Donald Trump does not come across as presidential. But sometimes can be. What he does is not unique to Donald Trump, it is in vogue as fashionable political theatre and we see it in many places in politics. I’m thinkin Beto O’Rourke, OAC et al, the whole motley crew. They too employ the bombastic sound bite you so oppose, and rightly so I might add but we have opened the Pandora’s box in politics now, too late. We went for the headfake and got sucker punched us right in the ballot box. Why because we vote in the bastards.

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Rue said:

Thanks Dougie. You forgot to finish it off with 4 more years of JT as well.

Bring it on.   He's the same as Trump, populist opportunist, two sides of the same coin.

[Yzermandius19]

10 hours ago, Boges said:

You base that on nothing but conjecture. 

I can equally claim that any of the top five Democrats can beat Trump because of his under 50% Approval rating. Bernie is beating Trump in Texas!

Obama had under a 50% approval rating, and was easily re-elected. Under 50% doesn't mean you lose.

The Democrats aren't going to win Texas, that's a pipe dream. If you buy head to head presidential election polls before the Iowa primary, that's called being a polling noob. Hillary was killing Trump in those polls too, how'd that work out?

Edited September 19, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Do you really think Trump lies to people because they "deserve" it and has never lied to anyone who does not deserve it? Really? Give me a break.

More to the point who deserves to be lied to? Even if you disagree with someone's political views why would you think if they disagree with you, lying to them is acceptable? Lying is lying, period. You are trying to rationalize being dishonest on the grounds its ok if you don't agree with a person to lie to them. That's a kind of half-assed way to justify being a liar......if Trump did what he did but was Clinton would you say what you do? Of course not. Just because you agree with his policies does not mean he is not responsible for his lies and unethical and boorish behavior. He has turned the POTUS into his POTTY.

 

Trump's "lying" is way overstated. CNN will have you believe that he lies every time he opens his mouth but that's just their job. They work for the DNC. CNN pushes the DNC's Russian collusion story until Sisyphus feels sorry for them and then they push it some more. Then they throw in obstruction of justice for a while and go back to pushing collusion. Do they ever stop to think that Hillary $$$$ --> Fusion GPS $$$ --> Christopher Steele $$ --> Russian agents compiling a fake dossier $, was collusion? If they caught Trump paying a lawyer to pay a British agent to pay some Russians they'd scream "EUREKA!"

When did CNN call Adam Schiff a liar? Never, because he says all the same things that they do when they know that they're lying as well. 

When was the last time that you ever heard CNN say that Bernie was a hypocrite with 3 houses and a boatload of horrible ideas? My dog knows that and he's a Jack Russell Terrier, so his whole head fits inside of a normal person's brain 3 times. 

 

It should honestly be a really big deal to call someone a liar when you know that they're not. CNN and Liberals in general throw around serious accusations like it's an awesome thing to do. Here's a perfect example of CNN telling two lies and yet acting like Trump is the liar:

Trump says "my inauguration is bigger!"

He didn't have exact numbers, he based his assumption on transit ridership that day. So, even if he was wrong, he didn't tell a lie. He was just wrong, about something completely inconsequential, and there's a huge difference between being wrong and lying. When CNN called him a liar they were actually lying themselves, but then they lied again. They used a photo from before Trump's inauguration was fully underway and compared it to Obama's inauguration when it was at it's peak, saying that it was proof of how much bigger Obama's inauguration was. 

There was another lie told about his inauguration but it didn't get quite as much infamy as the inauguration size fable. It was "Trump said that it didn't rain during his inauguration speech but look at this picture of Melania holding an umbrella for him!" Truth is that anyone can watch his entire inauguration speech in hi def on youtube, and you can clearly see that he didn't get rained on. AT ALL. It was raining in 10,000 other places on earth just like it is every single second of the day, but it didn't rain there. So that time Trump actually told the straight up truth but he was still called a liar.

So, in short, Trump wasn't even President for 24 hours yet and there were 3 big lies being put forward by the MSM which were falsely accusing Trump of being a liar. That set the tone for his whole Presidency. 

Millions of morons will still quote those two two "lies" when you ask them for proof of Trump's lies. 

The real deal, where the rubber hits the road, is whether or not Trump is living up to his campaign promises. That's the actual contract that he has with the people who voted for him. And despite immense opposition, Trump has done an incredible job of doing what he said that he would do. 

 

[Rue]

I respectively disagree with my bretheren Dougie, Wes, Often, Mrs. Bush et al in their defense of the orange man. How do you overstate or excuse lying? Trump has a pathological pesonality disorder. Some of his lying is deliberate and pre-meditated and with respect you people defend him because of his political positions. If he was a Democrat involved in the same lyng you would call him out as you did Bill Clinton or Hilary Clinton. One's political opinions should not excuse their lying.

I think a lot of people dismiss Trump's lying just as they were blind to Michael Jackson being a pedophile. They had the  behaviour in their face but because of the celebrity status look the other way.

[Boges]

12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Obama had under a 50% approval rating, and was easily re-elected. Under 50% doesn't mean you lose.

The Democrats aren't going to win Texas, that's a pipe dream. If you buy head to head presidential election polls before the Iowa primary, that's called being a polling noob. Hillary was killing Trump in those polls too, how'd that work out?

At one point or the other. Trump has never been over 50%

[Yzermandius19]

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

At one point or the other. Trump has never been over 50%

That's irrelevant, because you don't have to have an approval rating over 50% to get re-elected. Trump's approval rating is higher right now than any first term president that wasn't re-elected, and his approval rating is around where a couple of presidents where at, during this point in their term, when they went on to be re-elected.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

I respectively disagree with my bretheren Dougie, If he was a Democrat involved in the same lyng you would call him out as you did Bill Clinton or Hilary Clinton. One's political opinions should not excuse their lying.

Politics is war by other means, this is civil war by other means, anything goes against the Democrat traitors to the republic, no holds barred, none.

Most important thing is to keep the Democrats down on the mat until there is a 6 to 3 majority at the SCOTUS

Once that is done, then we can really start ramming things down the throats of these Progressives, for decades to come.

Lie, cheat, steal, whatever, just win, baby.   This is war.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Dougie93

[Boges]

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Politics is war by other means, this is civil war by other means, anything goes against the Democrat traitors to the republic, no holds barred, none.

Most important thing is to keep the Democrats down on the mat until there is a 6 to 3 majority at the SCOTUS

Once that is done, then we can really start ramming things down the throats of these Progressives, for decades to come.

Lie, cheat, steal, whatever, just win, baby.   This is war.

Hard to debate with someone that believes that any action is warranted. 

I wonder if that would include violence if Trump ends up losing? You know he's going to claim the election was rigged. 

[Boges]

Just curious. Why is Trump so vehemently opposed to having his Tax returns released. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/politics/trump-tax-returns-vance/index.html

It's kind of a case of thou dost protest too much. It's clear by his constant obstruction that there's something he's hiding. 

And why such a fuss, if it showed he never paid any taxes, would his base really care? 

[Dougie93]

38 minutes ago, Boges said:

Hard to debate with someone that believes that any action is warranted. 

I wonder if that would include violence if Trump ends up losing? You know he's going to claim the election was rigged. 

I'm not opposed to political violence per se,

I don't recommend it unless there is a clear path to a military solution, strategic objective underpinned by tactical means, but I do not condemn political violence out of hand.

I'm prepared to fight wars, always have been, impossible to be an infantry soldier and oppose political violence, I ain't no conscientious objector,

If somebody is want to kill a commie, they'll get no quarrel from me, knock yourselves out.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Dougie93

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm not opposed to political violence per se,

I don't recommend it unless there is a clear path to a military solution, strategic objective underpinned by tactical means, but I do not condemn political violence out of hand.

I'm prepared to fight wars, always have been, impossible to be an infantry soldier and oppose political violence, I ain't no conscientious objector,

So if a political defeat is framed, by Trump, as a rigged election. Would that warrant a violent response? 

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, Boges said:

So if a political defeat is framed, by Trump, as a rigged election. Would that warrant a violent response? 

I don't think so, but it's a free country, revolutionary republic,  so if people are going to get rowdy about it, I don't condemn them.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Dougie93

[taxme]

On 9/18/2019 at 6:32 AM, Boges said:

It's cute you think partisan rallies are an example of popular support. Did you see the Rally Elizabeth Warren just had? 

Trump is not a conservative. A Conservative would never led the debt get to north of $20 Trillion. 

I saw it on TV. The leftist liberal American pro Lizzie Warren said that she had about a thousand people at her latest rally. Trump gets approx. 15-20 thousand people at all of his Trump rallies.Trump gets so many supporters at his rallies that many of them have to be denied entrance into the arena because there is no more room for them all. You need to watch a few of the rallies that Trump has. Now those are rallies. Warren's rallies are just small time town gatherings. There is a big difference between a thousand and tens of thousands in case that you are not aware of that. 

Trump sure acts and talks like a true conservative. Trump believes in more freedom, less government and less taxes. It was Obamarama that got the debt up to 20 trillion, and not Trump. No one really knows for sure what the real debt is at today. Trump inherited a huge bureaucracy from those big time liberal/democratic spenders like Obamarama and Bush and Clinton. At least with Trump jobs are up, unemployment down, markets are at all time highs, and he is fighting and cleaning up the illegal immigration mess in America which should help Canada also.

Trump has plenty to offer, the demonuts do not. All the demonuts want to talk about these days is impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. It is not going to happen but yet the dummies keep trying when they already know that there is nothing to impeach Trump on. Anyone who ever supports the demonuts these days needs to seek medical treatment right away before they hurt themselves.  Just saying. 

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

So if a political defeat is framed, by Trump, as a rigged election. Would that warrant a violent response? 

That photo just about explains it all as to what goes on in China by the communist government. They kill innocent people if they do not adhere to communist bull chit. And your dear leader comrade Trudeau thinks and admires Chinese communism. This is what guys like Trudeau could do to you and me if he ever was able to turn Canada into a communist country. Comrade Trudeau has a bullet waiting for you if you refuse to kiss his comrade ass. Trump is not your enemy. China is, a fact that you seem to have a big problem with and ignore. Trump is a real leader, something most Canadians are not use to seeing. All we get to see from our dear leaders every day is to see a bunch of wimpy pussy men and women running around trying to make it appear as though they care about you and me and thee. If they did they would give us more freedom, less government and less taxes. But they do not. All we get from these so called politicians is more taxes and more government bureaucracy, and less freedom. Hillary tried to rig the election. Thank gawd she lost too Trump. 

[Boges]

53 minutes ago, taxme said:

That photo just about explains it all as to what goes on in China by the communist government. They kill innocent people if they do not adhere to communist bull chit. And your dear leader comrade Trudeau thinks and admires Chinese communism. This is what guys like Trudeau could do to you and me if he ever was able to turn Canada into a communist country. Comrade Trudeau has a bullet waiting for you if you refuse to kiss his comrade ass. Trump is not your enemy. China is, a fact that you seem to have a big problem with and ignore. Trump is a real leader, something most Canadians are not use to seeing. All we get to see from our dear leaders every day is to see a bunch of wimpy pussy men and women running around trying to make it appear as though they care about you and me and thee. If they did they would give us more freedom, less government and less taxes. But they do not. All we get from these so called politicians is more taxes and more government bureaucracy, and less freedom. Hillary tried to rig the election. Thank gawd she lost too Trump. 

Do you not see the thread where I'm calling JT an utter hypocrite? 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Rue said:

I respectively disagree with my bretheren Dougie, Wes, Often, Mrs. Bush et al in their defense of the orange man. How do you overstate or excuse lying? Trump has a pathological pesonality disorder. Some of his lying is deliberate and pre-meditated and with respect you people defend him because of his political positions. If he was a Democrat involved in the same lyng you would call him out as you did Bill Clinton or Hilary Clinton. One's political opinions should not excuse their lying.

I think a lot of people dismiss Trump's lying just as they were blind to Michael Jackson being a pedophile. They had the  behaviour in their face but because of the celebrity status look the other way.

Can we get into the specifics of what these lies are?

Every time I hear about Trump's lies it's always the same old examples which are incorrect and meaningless even if they were true.

I've also seen lots of examples where Trump has come out and said things that people thought were lies which turned out to be true with the benefit of hindsight.

Honestly, I hear about his lying so much and the examples are so weak or misleading that I've started to tune them out. I'll be all ears if you have some worthwhile and accurate examples.

And one more thing about the people who call him a liar - they are actual, bona-fide, serial, pathological liars. The people who pimped collusion, obstruction, Dr Ford's story, and who still won't let those things go are in absolutely no position to be taken seriously. They have the credibility of a snake dressed up as granny. Even little dumb-ass riding hood is tuning them out. 

On the topic of "election promises" he's all that he said he'd be, and that's the true test of his track record imo. If someone says that they're going to do 8 things and they do 6, and try their level best to accomplish the other two, I'd have a hard time calling them a liar because the proof is in the pudding. No one says "The proof is in CNN's broadcast" lol. 

Edited September 19, 2019 by WestCanMan
typo

[bush_cheney2004]

Another great Trump lie:

Justin Trudeau is "very dishonest and weak"......how could that ever be true ??   /s

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Trump wins again on tax returns in California....unconstitutional.

 

Quote

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- President Donald Trump's efforts to keep his tax returns private played out on both coasts Thursday, with a California judge handing him an initial victory and his lawyers in New York City arguing that federal prosecutors there are trying "to harass" him by seeking the documents.

On the West Coast, a federal judge in Sacramento granted the Trump campaign's request to block a new California law that requires presidential candidates to release five years of tax returns to run in the state's March 2020 primaries. State officials are deciding whether to appeal.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-scores-a-victory-in-bicoastal-battle-over-tax-returns-1.4600758

 

[taxme]

19 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump wins again on tax returns in California....unconstitutional.

 

 

Trump is always a winner. And Trump will win the next election. But will the demorats stop attacking President Trump after the next election? Probably not. The morons will still try and impeach Trump because they have shown us all by now that they are pretty much a bunch of nut cases who have nothing to offer the American people but more lies and bs and going nowhere impeachment nonsense all over again. Americans do not realize how lucky they are today that Hillary did not become the President. The deep state swamp would have been in a great position to destroy America forever. Americans should get on their knees and bow down to Trump, Trump saved their asses from socialism/communism.