America under President Trump

[Dougie93]

Just now, Boges said:

Just wondering. Because it seems the prevailing opinion is that suburbs are going to be a problem for Trump. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/the-memo/457176-the-memo-suburbs-spell-trouble-for-trump

 

Everything the media says is bullshit, citing something from the Hill is a pointless exercise, liberal media sees what it wants to see and didn't see Trump winning in the first place.

 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Which is an indication that his base are ignorant fools that will accept any tripe that they're fed. 

I'm curious how a fan of Trump would reconcile his orders to break the law to get the wall built and then just pardon anyone who does that. 

 

It's not just his base, it's swing voters as well. His bullsh*t sells, if you stopped projecting your own views on the American electorate, you should be able to see that.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Everything the media says is bullshit, citing something from the Hill is a pointless exercise, liberal media sees what it wants to see and didn't see Trump winning in the first place.

So we're in this Twilight Zone with just saying things without context or citation is as valuable as providing some citation. 

The article based its opinion on polling. The polls were wrong during the 2016 election but that opinion doesn't say the whole story. Trump won by a fraction of a percentage point in four key battleground states. States that were taken for granted by the Dems. So now that the fight is basically four or five states because of the shitty EC, I can logically expect the dynamic will change. 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

So we're in this Twilight Zone with just saying things without context or citation is as valuable as providing some citation. 

The article based its opinion on polling. The polls were wrong during the 2016 election but that opinion doesn't say the whole story. Trump won by a fraction of a percentage point in four key battleground states. States that were taken for granted by the Dems. So now that the fight is basically four or five states because of the shitty EC, I can logically expect the dynamic will change. 

The polling shows that Trump is more popular now than he was when he was elected, and that Rust Belt states are getting redder in 2020 than they were in 2016.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

So we're in this Twilight Zone with just saying things without context or citation is as valuable as providing some citation.

Yeah, it's called the Internet,  learn to deal.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The polling shows that Trump is more popular now than he was when he was elected, and that Rust Belt states are getting redder in 2020 than they were in 2016.

Again, cite? He's never achieved more than 50% in Approval ratings. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

So we're in this Twilight Zone with just saying things without context or citation is as valuable as providing some citation. 

.... States that were taken for granted by the Dems. So now that the fight is basically four or five states because of the shitty EC, I can logically expect the dynamic will change. 

Well said and sane.

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Again, cite? He's never achieved more than 50% in Approval ratings. 

 

Trump had 37.5% favorability on election day, he's at 42.5% favorability as we speak.

Check RCP if you don't believe me.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump had 37.5% favorability on election day, he's at 42.5% favorability as we speak.

Check RCP if you don't believe me.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

So you're amped about under 50% favouribility? 

Check Trump against any Dem Candidate in Michigan

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Michigan.html

Pennsylvania

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Pennsylvania.html

And even North Carolina

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/NorthCarolina.html

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

So you're amped about under 50% favouribility? 

Check Trump against any Dem Candidate in Michigan

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Michigan.html

Pennsylvania

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Pennsylvania.html

And even North Carolina

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/NorthCarolina.html

Those polls mean nothing until after the nomination and even then are to be viewed with a massive grain of salt. If anything, the fact that they aren't up by more at this point is a bad sign, by the time they get through the nomination and Trump starts focusing fire on them, their favorability will plummet and so will their poll numbers.

Trump is killing the Dems in 2020 fundraising, absolutely burying them, and he was outspent 2 to 1 last time and still won. Think of what he can do with a campaign warchest advantage. The Dems are screwed.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Those polls mean nothing until after the nomination and even then are to be viewed with a massive grain of salt. If anything, the fact that they aren't up by more at this point is a bad sign, by the time they get through the nomination and Trump starts focusing fire on them, their favorability will plummet and so will their poll numbers.

Ahhh so your polls are evidence Trump is great. My polls that show he's in trouble in states he won by a fraction of a percent in 2016 mean nothing. The fringe right really do live in a bubble. 

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Ahhh so your polls are evidence Trump is great. My polls that show he's in trouble in states he won by a fraction of a percent in 2016 mean nothing. The fringe right really do live in a bubble. 

Polls show that it's the left who lives in bubble reading only left wing news while the right views both left and right wing news in far higher percentages.

[Boges]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Polls show that it's the left who lives in bubble reading only left wing news while the right views both left and right wing news in far higher percentages.

Well we're both using the same aggregate site to find our polls so. . . 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Well we're both using the same aggregate site to find our polls so. . . 

Some polling means more than others depending on when they are taken. You are just such a polling noob that you don't know that. These kind of matchup polls had Ron Paul beating Obama in 2012, that's how relevant they are at this point.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Some polling means more than others depending on when they are taken. You are just such a polling noob that you don't know that. These kind of matchup polls had Ron Paul beating Obama in 2012, that's how relevant they are at this point.

Fine, but then your assertion that once a candidate is chosen it'll change the result is just conjecture. 

At least when I speculate that focus on the four or five states will create a different result, it's based on the fact that Trump only one those states by a few thousands votes. 

I'll give Trump's team credit, they recognized that in the useless EC system, you only need to focus on a few states to be successful. That's a trick he can only pull once. 

[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, Boges said:

Fine, but then your assertion that once a candidate is chosen it'll change the result is just conjecture. 

At least when I speculate that focus on the four or five states will create a different result, it's based on the fact that Trump only one those states by a few thousands votes. 

I'll give Trump's team credit, they recognized that in the useless EC system, you only need to focus on a few states to be successful. That's a trick he can only pull once. 

Trump will have more resources to spend in those states, they lost their chance. It's not conjecture, that is the pattern, Romney looked better against Obama in these match up polls before he was nominated than after, it's a well known trend when running against an incumbent.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump will have more resources to spend in those states, they lost their chance. It's not conjecture, that is the pattern, Romney looked better against Obama in these match up polls before he was nominated than after, it's a well known trend when running against an incumbent.

It's totally conjecture. Don't think all that Soros and Steyer money won't be invested either? 

[Yzermandius19]

11 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's totally conjecture. Don't think all that Soros and Steyer money won't be invested either? 

Trump is killing it in Fundraising, he's projected to raise $2 billion, which is more than three times as much as he had in 2016, the Dems are getting buried by him.

Trump did more without a lot less in 2016. Clinton's team knew all about the EC and had double Trump's funds to spend trying to win the EC, and still lost, it wasn't a secret. Both candidates were trying to win the EC, the national popular vote was irrelevant and both sides knew it.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Trump did more without a lot less in 2016. Clinton's team knew all about the EC and had double Trump's funds to spend trying to win the EC, and still lost, it wasn't a secret. Both candidates were trying to win the EC, the popular vote was irrelevant and both sides knew it.

If she knew she was derelict in her strategy. She didn't campaign in the important states. 

Again, Trump is the only POTUS to never achieve an approval rating above 50%. So again all your rosy predictions are just conjecture. 

It also looks like the US is entering a Recession, so Trump will have to own that. 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

If she knew she was derelict in her strategy. She didn't campaign in the important states. 

Again, Trump is the only POTUS to never achieve an approval rating above 50%. So again all your rosy predictions are just conjecture. 

It also looks like the US is entering a Recession, so Trump will have to own that. 

She knew. She was derelict in her strategy, and the Dems are doubling down on the derp that lost them the Rust Belt in 2016 for 2020.

The recession might happen before the election or after the election, exactly when is hard to predict.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

It also looks like the US is entering a Recession, so Trump will have to own that. 

Not a chance; Clintons and Obama will have to own it, wait and see.   

[Boges]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Not a chance; Clintons and Obama will have to own it, wait and see.   

Don't forget the Trump-appointed Fed Chair. 

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

Don't forget the Trump-appointed Fed Chair. 

Don't forget that the Fed Chair does not make decisions on his own, he chairs the Fed, but as a group they vote on what to do.

They are also at arms length from the government, the President can hire and fire the Fed Chair, but in theory he can't tell them what to do.

The central banks are not actually federal agencies, they are not arms of the government.

All politicians will rail against their central banks when the government is addicted to stimulus and the banks start to take the punch bowl away.

It's called moral hazard.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Dougie93

[Boges]

A little insight into Trump's neurosis where he has to live in a world where he's always right. 

On Sunday, when no one was predicting a landfall in Alabama, Trump tweeted that Alabama was at risk. I don't think he was doing it for nefarious reasons but it had to be corrected because it may cause alarm where no alarm was required. 

But Trump can't be wrong, so he comes out and shows a cone map where the cone has obviously been drawn on to make it "seem" like Alabama was in the Cone. 

Trump had to double down that he wasn't wrong. I guess weather services are fake news now? And apparently altering an official weather document is a crime, soooo there's that. 

But Obama wore a tan suit one time. 

Edited September 5, 2019 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

7 hours ago, Boges said:

A little insight into Trump's neurosis where he has to live in a world where he's always right.

 

Trump's "neurosis" is to dominate the news cycle....even in Canada.

...still working after 3 years.