America under President Trump

[DogOnPorch]

17 minutes ago, taxme said:

That is right. The real natives(french)were all eventually massacred by the black Haitians that were brought to Haiti many moons ago. If the french had not been massacred I believe that Haiti would be a place that people would want to visit unlike today. Haiti is full of crime and unrest which sadly the liberal MSM refuse to report on. To busy bitching about Trump I guess to report real news. 

People with skills and trades and merit should be who Canada is bringing in as immigrants rather than a bunch of people who the government knows will always be on welfare. 

 

Taino Arawaks, actually. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said:

Deflection!  Isn't it the media who is saying that Trump has called Haitians shitty people?  Go check out any CNN feature - especially AC.  Now, that's "fake news".  Also, there are other Caribean countries that are doing fine and are not "shitholes" - Haiti simply isn't one of them.

That is typical of the liberal left wing fake and phony media. They like to take things said out of context. Trump did not really call Haitians shitty people. Trump called Haiti a shit hole. The lieberal media are full of a bunch of bigots and intolerant snowflakes themselves. The lieberals apparently never talk about how the democratic party had black slaves themselves and many democrats were members of the KKK. Democratic Senator Robert Byrd apparently was a KKK member himself. The pro liberal/democrat Clinton Obama crowd here should do a little more research on the people they love to cherish for a change. They might finally learn something for a change that not all conservative/republicans are all that bad. Even democrats have shit in their closets. Just saying. 

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

That is typical of the liberal left wing fake and phony media. They like to take things said out of context. Trump did not really call Haitians shitty people. Trump called Haiti a shit hole. The lieberal media are full of a bunch of bigots and intolerant snowflakes themselves. The lieberals apparently never talk about how the democratic party had black slaves themselves and many democrats were members of the KKK. Democratic Senator Robert Byrd apparently was a KKK member himself. The pro liberal/democrat Clinton Obama crowd here should do a little more research on the people they love to cherish for a change. They might finally learn something for a change that not all conservative/republicans are all that bad. Even democrats have shit in their closets. Just saying. 

 

The 2nd Clan was generally Dixiecrats (people as opposed to the party) as they were know. Byrd being a prime example.

Edited January 14, 2018 by DogOnPorch

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

With Trump's use of family in vital roles, I'd say the US is looking more like a Banana Republic.  

But keep trying to justify racism. 

No, as usual you got it all wrong again. Thanks to the past few American presidents and scum like the Clinton's they have all tried to turn America into a banana republic. But thanks to Trump he is not going to allow that to happen as long as he is president. Trump is working on trying to make America great again, and for sure not a banana republic. 

If you cannot win an argument call them racists. Now I know that you are a liberal. You need to put up a picture of JT on your board, and not Scheer.  

[?Impact]

11 minutes ago, taxme said:

That is typical of the liberal left wing fake and phony media. They like to take things said out of context. Trump did not really call Haitians shitty people. Trump called Haiti a shit hole.

That is typical of the Trump apologist to get things 100% wrong again. Trump very clearly said he didn't want the people from that sh*t hole, it is the people that Trump emphasized. Trump was calling Haitians shitty people, loud and clear, despite the apologists trying to pretend otherwise.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

That is typical of the Trump apologist to get things 100% wrong again. Trump very clearly said he didn't want the people from that sh*t hole, it is the people that Trump emphasized. Trump was calling Haitians shitty people, loud and clear, despite the apologists trying to pretend otherwise.

 

They've built a very shitty country. So...

[taxme]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Canada and other counties have always had a threshold below which the applicant is not allowed to enter. That is just common sense. What is nonsensical is the notion that our doors are wide open, come on in and have a free ride. Bringing people in who can only survive on welfare harms the country.

The vast majority of the population lives in the 3rd world. This data (2011) shows about 70% are either poor or low income. 

It's painful to accept that we cannot help everybody. But that notion is not true, there are other ways to help besides bringing them into Canada where they can only become a burden on us that will ultimately be impossible to support. The alternative is to find ways to raise them up within their own nations. Build their own economy which means they need to work hard, and the developed world can provide assistance. World bank and such can hep get their economy running by providing aid and debt relief. But they don't.

It seems they would rather have me donate 85 cents a day... just enough to guarantee a lifetime of misery for them, and their children, and so on and so on.

Allowing or bringing in tens of thousands of third world refugees into Canada every year makes no common sense or logic at all. We know that most of them will end up on welfare. Look at most of the projects that are in some cities around Toronto. Some look like third world country projects.They will even have more children so they can get more money from you and me and thee the taxpayer's. They are not stupid, Canadians are the stupid ones here because they always keep falling for this poor third world poverty stuff all the time. 

Canada and many other countries in the world have been pouring billions of dollars to try and help those people for decades now. Has it worked? NOPE. So, I say enough already. No more foreign-aid tax dollars. The time is up. They must be told to try and get their chit together or starve. It is time to start showing some tough love for a change, not this constant liberal emotionalism and foolishness anymore. The third world poverty will always be there as long as we the people in the West keep supporting them. Truth hurts. Too bloody bad. 

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

That is typical of the Trump apologist to get things 100% wrong again. Trump very clearly said he didn't want the people from that sh*t hole, it is the people that Trump emphasized. Trump was calling Haitians shitty people, loud and clear, despite the apologists trying to pretend otherwise.

CNN and the CBC always get 100% things wrong on purpose. Trump said that he does not want welfare immigrants. Personally, I think that the people from Haiti do live in a shit hole. None of them appear to have anything to offer the civilized Western countries of the world. They are well known for being great at when it comes to poverty, crime and civil unrest. Live with it. 

I never heard Trump call Haitians shitty people? Can you show me verbatim where Trump said that?  Over. 

 

[Boges]

21 minutes ago, taxme said:

If you cannot win an argument call them racists. Now I know that you are a liberal. You need to put up a picture of JT on your board, and not Scheer.  

Well when you say really racist stuff... 

Might as well own it. 

Speaking in absolutes about people of any country is bigotry. 

Some of the most successful people in this world overcame poverty whether it be in the developed world or the developing world. 

Whereas Trump inherited his wealth. 

I'll circle back to a point I made earlier. Would you support the sentiment that people from backwater states like Alabama, Kentucky, West Virginia live in shit holes? Those are some of the most impoverished places in the US. And they're a drain on taxpayers. Also mostly white. 

 

Edited January 14, 2018 by Boges

[DogOnPorch]

So not moving to Haiti? Surprise!

Must be due to the nice weather.

 

[Boges]

A Canadian example would be the East Coast. Beautiful place but full of mostly white free loaders. Imagine if JT called Nova Scotia a shit hole province. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

A Canadian example would be the East Coast. Beautiful place but full of mostly white free loaders. Imagine if JT called Nova Scotia a shit hole province. 

 

Halifax...big explosion a while back and they never rebuilt.

[Boges]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

So not moving to Haiti? Surprise!

Must be due to the nice weather.

Is it proving a point that I won't move to Haiti?

I'd move to several other Carribean nations in a nanosecond if I could maintain a quality of life. 

So are we cool with unlimited immigration from Costa Rica. Honduras, Belize, Jamaica, etc etc because I'd live there? 

 

[DogOnPorch]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

if I could maintain a quality of life. 

 

 

 

Ding ding ding ding We have a winner. What does he get, Don Pardo? 

A comfy life in Canada...not a shit hole.

Edited January 14, 2018 by DogOnPorch

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Ding ding ding ding We have a winner. What does he get, Don Pardo? 

A comfy life in Canada...not a shit hole.

And why are we critical of people seeking the same? 

You and me aren't special because we were born here. We just won the geographic lottery. 

Sure we can't accept everyone but people should be let in based on merit, not the poverty of the country they came from. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

A Canadian example would be the East Coast. Beautiful place but full of mostly white free loaders. Imagine if JT called Nova Scotia a shit hole province. 

Or if Trump called his beloved mother Russia a shithole:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

This list has it as the 13th most violent country in the world - beating Haiti by a bunch, and most African countries too.

https://www.atlasandboots.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world-ranked/

But Trump is not so... uh... untactical let's say... that he would go against his backers.

[DogOnPorch]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

And why are we critical of people seeking the same? 

You and me aren't special because we were born here. We just won the geographic lottery. 

Sure we can't accept everyone but people should be let in based on merit, not the poverty of the country they came from. 

 

Haiti is a shit hole for a reason. But sure...let the entire population move here and collect welfare. Why not? You're paying.

[SpankyMcFarland]

5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump is not the leader of the free world....he is only a U.S. president...with limited power even in his own country.

It also makes his job as president more difficult. 

[OftenWrong]

I don't think anyone can deny the state that Haiti is in, regardless of the word that is used to describe it. So ultimately the debate is not whether shithole describes it well enough, because it does. The question is whether the use of that word publicly acceptable. Sure it's a rude way to say it but it is also very succinct. Keeping in mind this was said in a private meeting behind closed doors, it should not even be an issue. The whole discussion and associated outrage is a deflection from the larger point about immigration that Trump/ the GOP is proposing. We don't want people to have an intelligent discussion about immigration, we only want to inflame emotions and paint Trump as a monster. That way even if he DOES have good ideas...

ETA It should be noted that Canada needs to have the same debate, and move in the same direction as Donald Trump proposes. Even our immigrants who've come here are saying the same thing, get rid of the lottery it is arbitrary and unfair.

Edited January 15, 2018 by OftenWrong

[taxme]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

Well when you say really racist stuff... 

Might as well own it. 

Speaking in absolutes about people of any country is bigotry. 

Some of the most successful people in this world overcame poverty whether it be in the developed world or the developing world. 

Whereas Trump inherited his wealth. 

I'll circle back to a point I made earlier. Would you support the sentiment that people from backwater states like Alabama, Kentucky, West Virginia live in shit holes? Those are some of the most impoverished places in the US. And they're a drain on taxpayers. Also mostly white. 

 

I think that you are a drain on the taxpayer's tax dollars. Just saying. 

[?Impact]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Or if Trump called his beloved mother Russia a shithole:

...or how about the US Virgin Islands, listed as #4 in homicide rate. Trump is the President of a shithole.

[taxme]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

A Canadian example would be the East Coast. Beautiful place but full of mostly white free loaders. Imagine if JT called Nova Scotia a shit hole province. 

I am starting to get the impression that you despise white people. Maybe you are a racist yourself, eh? There are lots of non-white freeloaders on the East Coast and everywhere else in Canada. If JT called Nova Scotia a shit hole the liberal media would not even report it. They would try to bury it or try and explain it away. I remember seeing his old man one time give the finger to Albertan's from his train window. His old man must of thought of Albertan's as a bunch of shit heads. There was no big deal made of it at the time. Knowing the liberal media they would have reported as Trudeau was jut picking his nose and got caught doing it. 

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

...or how about the US Virgin Islands, listed as #4 in homicide rate. Trump is the President of a shithole.

Or how about all the white people that were/are being murdered in South Africa in the last few decades since apartheid was abolished?

JT is now the PM of Canada which is fast becoming a shit hole full of crybaby snowflake liberals. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I don't think anyone can deny the state that Haiti is in, regardless of the word that is used to describe it. So ultimately the debate is not whether shithole describes it well enough, because it does. The question is whether the use of that word publicly acceptable. Sure it's a rude way to say it but it is also very succinct. Keeping in mind this was said in a private meeting behind closed doors, it should not even be an issue. The whole discussion and associated outrage is a deflection from the larger point about immigration that Trump/ the GOP is proposing. We don't want people to have an intelligent discussion about immigration, we only want to inflame emotions and paint Trump as a monster. That way even if he DOES have good ideas...

ETA It should be noted that Canada needs to have the same debate, and move in the same direction as Donald Trump proposes. Even our immigrants who've come here are saying the same thing, get rid of the lottery it is arbitrary and unfair.

Indeed Canada does need to start looking at it's own immigration policies also. It is so lopsided in favor of the third world that it is fast starting to lean way over and starting to look like the third world. Just saying. 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Or if Trump called his beloved mother Russia a shithole:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

This list has it as the 13th most violent country in the world - beating Haiti by a bunch, and most African countries too.

https://www.atlasandboots.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world-ranked/

But Trump is not so... uh... untactical let's say... that he would go against his backers.

The higher the population of a country the likely hood is that the murder rate will be higher. Geez, why didn't I think of that? Silly me.    

Your animosity towards Trump and mother Russia is showing again.