America under President Trump

OftenWrong · November 1, 2017

6 hours ago, Boges said:

He also got an advisor to flip without anyone knowing. Wonder how many else there are.

Did you read the actual charges? From what I understand he perjured himself by giving false and misleading statements. The things he did were not crimes but the crime was in not accurately reporting them. That seems to be the gist of it, although perhaps I'm missing something here?

OftenWrong · November 1, 2017

6 hours ago, Boges said:

Seems Trump is just upset no one is talking about her, they're talking about him.

Trump has his own problems and he should talk more about them, and less about Clinton. Aside from that however if she committed crimes while secretary of state, it should be investigated. Anyone who thinks it doesn't matter now because she lost doesn't appreciate the rule of law.

-TSS- · November 1, 2017

Trump is having hard time now but things can change quickly. Another 9/11-scale attack against the USA and there will be demands how the nation must be united. There was some rudimentary attempt today in NYC to make another 9/11.

Just to remind you, when Bush sr won the Gulf-war his approval-ratings were close to 90% and there was a lot of talk which Democrats would not be too embarassed to challenge the President but that was in February 1991.

Things were quite different in November 1992 or even earlier than that. No shortage of willing challengers anymore.

Boges · November 1, 2017

10 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Did you read the actual charges? From what I understand he perjured himself by giving false and misleading statements. The things he did were not crimes but the crime was in not accurately reporting them. That seems to be the gist of it, although perhaps I'm missing something here?

He lied about when he was approached by Russian officials. He said it was before he was involved in the campaign when it turns out it was when he was part of the campaign. Russia was talking to him precisely because he was part of the campaign. It's actually a big deal.

OftenWrong · November 1, 2017

32 minutes ago, Boges said:

He lied about when he was approached by Russian officials. He said it was before he was involved in the campaign when it turns out it was when he was part of the campaign. Russia was talking to him precisely because he was part of the campaign. It's actually a big deal.

Which is exactly what I said earlier. There's no crime in talking to Russians, either before or during an election campaign, even if the reason is to disclose "dirt"on another candidate. The charges are clearly laid out, incorrect disclosure of facts to a federal agent.

Boges · November 1, 2017

9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Which is exactly what I said earlier. There's no crime in talking to Russians, either before or during an election campaign, even if the reason is to disclose "dirt"on another candidate. The charges are clearly laid out, incorrect disclosure of facts to a federal agent.

Then why lie about it?

If people are going to lie for Trump, this proves they'll find themselves facing jail time.

Unless of course Trump pardons them, which is evidence that Trump is guilty itself.

Argus · November 1, 2017

On 10/30/2017 at 11:21 AM, GostHacked said:

Did you notice that Colbert raked Trump over 'grab her by the pussy', but then gives Bush Sr a pass for being a serial groper. Witch hunt indeed.

You're seriously trying to compare a 93 year old man suffering dementia to ... oh wait. Maybe the comparison isn't so warped after all.

Argus · November 1, 2017

On 10/30/2017 at 11:58 AM, GostHacked said:

I also see people with partisan blinders when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

You see elves and unicorns too? Nobody here is a partisan Democrat.

OftenWrong · November 1, 2017

10 hours ago, Boges said:

Then why lie about it?

Dunno. We'll have to wait and see if there is an indictment. Another good question is, why did he perjure himself in a voluntary interview? Was he not aware of the consequences? Dunno. Sounds like he's a bit of a fool.

Edited November 1, 2017 by OftenWrong
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Boges · November 2, 2017

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Dunno. We'll have to wait and see if there is an indictment. Another good question is, why did he perjure himself in a voluntary interview? Was he not aware of the consequences? Dunno. Sounds like he's a bit of a fool.

Why would there be an indictment? He pleaded guilty.

Why does anyone lie? You think you can get away with it. Or perhaps to protect Trump.

Edited November 2, 2017 by Boges

bush_cheney2004 · November 2, 2017

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Why would there be an indictment? He pleaded guilty

Because that's how grand juries bring criminal charges for alleged felonies at the federal level.

See 5th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Boges · November 2, 2017

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Because that's how grand juries bring criminal charges for alleged felonies at the federal level.

See 5th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

But he plead guilty already. The case isn't going to trial.

bush_cheney2004 · November 2, 2017

Just now, Boges said:

But he plead guilty already. The case isn't going to trial.

He can't plead guilty to felony charges that don't exist....hence the indictment(s).

GostHacked · November 2, 2017

On 11/1/2017 at 4:07 PM, Argus said:

You're seriously trying to compare a 93 year old man suffering dementia to ... oh wait. Maybe the comparison isn't so warped after all.

You apologizing for molesters?

GostHacked · November 2, 2017

On 11/1/2017 at 4:09 PM, Argus said:

You see elves and unicorns too? Nobody here is a partisan Democrat.

Stuff that unicorn up yer pooper. Maybe get the elves to help you.

Argus · November 2, 2017

2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

You apologizing for molesters?

No, I'm trying to let a little reality into you bizzaro world mind.

GostHacked · November 2, 2017

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

No, I'm trying to let a little reality into you bizzaro world mind.

The reality is that Bush Sr is a groper and gets away with it by people like you apologizing it while being a total hypocrite at the same time for giving Trump some flack for the 'grab er by the pussy' comment.

So yes you are apologizing for one molester while pointing the finger at another. That's the reality.

Edited November 2, 2017 by GostHacked

Argus · November 2, 2017

Just now, GostHacked said:

The reality is that Bush Sr is a groper and gets away with it by people like you apologizing it while being a total hypocrite at the same time for giving Trump some flack for the 'grab er by the pussy' comment.

Trump has not yet been diagnosed with dementia. When he is I'll cut him some slack, too.

GostHacked · November 2, 2017

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Trump has not yet been diagnosed with dementia. When he is I'll cut him some slack, too.

Holy crap.. really? You are going to take this stance? Nice to see you are apologizing for dirty old men groping women.

So if he is mental, then it's not sexual assault? Come on Argus, no wonder you end up loosing arguments.

Boges · November 2, 2017

The GHWB David Cop-a-Feel sidebar is huge thread drift.

But I agree with Argus, it's a false comparison.

There are several Presidents that have had sexual issues.

Edited November 2, 2017 by Boges

GostHacked · November 2, 2017

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

The GHWB David Cop-a-Feel sidebar is huge thread drift.

But I agree with Argus, it's a false comparison.

There are several Presidents that have had sexual issues.

And none of it is is right. Gotta be consistent sometimes. Call it all out.

Boges · November 2, 2017

14 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

And none of it is is right. Gotta be consistent sometimes. Call it all out.

Then call out Clinton and JFK.

And who cares about GHWB, he's not the current POTUS. Is he gonna get fired or something?

Michael Hardner · November 2, 2017

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Is he gonna get fired or something?

Yes. He will soon be fired from 'life'.

But I couldn't find anywhere that used dementia as an excuse, which would be legitimate in my mind. 'Not criminally responsible' etc.

In an unrelated item, I find it odd that I like GW Bush relative to Trump ... and still find it strange that a Connecticut Anglican who vacationed in Maine his whole live is somehow 'Texan'. He's more Canadian than Texan.

taxme · November 2, 2017

On 10/31/2017 at 1:37 PM, Boges said:

A nothing burger that's gotten Trump "seething" according to WH sources.

If the mainstream lying and fake liberal media would do it's job properly and go after the real criminals, I don't think that Trump would be "seething" at all. When Trump gets blamed for everything he does, good or bad, and he sees Hillary, Obama, and the rest of that criminal ilk are avoided it is no wonder that millions of Americans do not trust the phony left wing liberal media.

GostHacked · November 3, 2017

19 hours ago, Boges said:

Then call out Clinton and JFK.

And who cares about GHWB, he's not the current POTUS. Is he gonna get fired or something?

Bill Clinton is just as bad, no arguments there. But then we also have Hillary sticking with him through it and lied on his behalf, a great fit for Secretary of State. And for JFK I am not aware of sexual assault allegations. Care to help me understand that?

Yer right, who cares if dirty old men feel up women and girls. He's not the POTUS! Again, stupid argument Boges.