America under President Trump

[Argus]

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The fact that a CNN-pragrammed, radical anti-Trumper calls someone “a voice of sanity” is the exact opposite of an endorsement. 

You are really obsessed with an American network few of us ever spend much time watching. I can only suppose the alt-right and Q sites you frequent has set it up as 'the great enemy' and so you use the accusation against everyone who denies the greatness of your new god.

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Can you not see the hypocrisy of leftists accusing Trump of carrying on about a stolen election without proof?

Can you not see the idiocy of supporting claims about a stolen election which started months before the election and never had sufficient evidence to convince a judge, or Bill Barr, or Mitch McConnell or Chris Wray?

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

Q

 

Ain't much Q about me. I don't even know what that is, myself. Is that something about the lizard people?

Wait now, don't Qanons think that a number of the world's elite belong to a secret pedophile club? Members include people such as political leaders from the top levels, billionaire business-men, and even royalty.

Do I think that's possible?
Emphatically yes. Yes and again, yes.

And I can show you the proof. But I better not, or I too may suddenly end up on a cold slab. These lizard people are not kidding around...

 

[Petros]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Your '95%' number is BS, and even where there wasn't actual enough of a wide-scale rampage to be called a riot, a very large percentage of the protests involved blocking traffic, threats, assaults on police, abuse of police and common assaults, etc.

If people who thought that the election was stolen were blocking traffic and beating a few people up you wouldn't call it 'peaceful protest'.

You are a very big hypocrite Petros.

There were BLM protest in virtually every city in North America in the month following the Floyd killing.  There were even many marches in Canada. As far as I know, none in Canada, and few in the USA had episodes of violence. 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Petros

[WestCanMan]

46 minutes ago, Argus said:

You are really obsessed with an American network few of us ever spend much time watching. I can only suppose the alt-right and Q sites you frequent has set it up as 'the great enemy' and so you use the accusation against everyone who denies the greatness of your new god.

Can you not see the idiocy of supporting claims about a stolen election which started months before the election and never had sufficient evidence to convince a judge, or Bill Barr, or Mitch McConnell or Chris Wray?

You are indoctrinated with their propaganda one way or another August so it doesn’t really matter whether you watch the propaganda right from the source or if you watched it from someplace else. Same shit different pile.

FYI I don’t visit any Q anon sites, or any Albright propaganda sites. I’m just not a total idiot who drinks stupidity from CNN’s fire hose on a daily basis.

 

I can plainly see that there was election fraud.

I’m not saying that there was enough election fraud to steal the entire election, but for certain there was an unacceptable amount of voter fraud.

And honestly, for the people who think that there was enough election fraud to steal the 2020 election, they still have another three years to prattle on about it, just like the leftist dolts did about the 2016 election.

 

 

Demonrats: ”We can make false accusations about the 2016 elections for years. We can even have FBI officials commit crimes to keep the fraud going and they won’t face proper justice.

However, your accusations have to cease immediately or there will be severe repercussions.

Similarly, leftist riots will continue, undeterred and unpunished, but conservatives are not allowed to have protests or they will be hunted down and jailed. The National Guard will standby for months to prevent rioting which is extremely unlikely to happen but will not prevent leftist riots, arson, looting or murders . 

That is all.”

[WestCanMan]

That was voice to text, just ignore a few typos. 

[Petros]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You just conceded the fact that you couldn’t grasp that simple bit of logic, and then in the same post you used the word simpleton as an insult.... 
 

No WestCan.

 

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Petros

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Petros said:

No WestCan.

I am more intelligent, better looking, genetically superior, and get better looking Women than you. What else can I say? 

 

More lies I guess? Why stop now. 

[DogOnPorch]

11 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

 

Ain't much Q about me. I don't even know what that is, myself. Is that something about the lizard people?

Wait now, don't Qanons think that a number of the world's elite belong to a secret pedophile club? Members include people such as political leaders from the top levels, billionaire business-men, and even royalty.

Do I think that's possible?
Emphatically yes. Yes and again, yes.

And I can show you the proof. But I better not, or I too may suddenly end up on a cold slab. These lizard people are not kidding around...

 

 

Q has ALWAYS been more of the focus of the anti-Trumpers than actual Trumpers. No need for conspiracies. Trump 2020 was the message.

Like yourself...not sure what it is supposed to be about. Pizza-Gate? Jeff Epstein & Clinton? Oddly, Argus likely can tell us...LOL.

 

[Petros]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

More lies I guess? Why stop now. 

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Petros

[OftenWrong]

18 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Oddly, Argus likely can tell us...LOL.

Perhaps. But certainly, Jeff Epstein can tell no tales...

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Perhaps. But certainly, Jeff Epstein can tell no tales...

 

Well...he does tell one from the grave.

One can hang one's self with toilet paper.

[OftenWrong]

31 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Q has ALWAYS been more of the focus of the anti-Trumpers than actual Trumpers.

It's the old switcheroo in action. I accuse you of being guilty of that which in reality, I am guilty of.

And another technique used to dupe the useful idiots, many of whom abound in political forums, is to couch an uncomfortable truth in some ridiculous and absurd lies. That way anyone who thinks of A can be accused of also thinking of B.

You think Epstein ran a global pimp service for the top 1% of the world?

= Q-Anon faggot

Edited January 24, 2021 by OftenWrong

[WestCanMan]

44 minutes ago, Petros said:

There were BLM protest in virtually every city in North America ...... Face it WCM, you are a simpleton, who has an IQ that is vastly inferior to mine. I refuse to debate you, until you obtain a college education. 

For your edification, the word "protest" should be pluralized in your post, and the word "until" is a subordinating conjunction so you don't need a comma in that last sentence.

FYI I have a post-secondary education from BCIT. 

What do you have aside from a penchant for fake news and some childish insults, Petros? 

Snivel off, peasant.

[DogOnPorch]

18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It's the old switcheroo in action. I accuse you of being guilty of that which in reality, I am guilty of.

And another technique used to dupe the useful idiots, many of whom abound in political forums, is to couch an uncomfortable truth in some ridiculous and absurd lies. That way anyone who thinks of A can be accused of also thinking of B.

You think Epstein ran a global pimp service for the top 1% of the world?

= Q-Anon faggot

 

I agree. All the rioting EVER done is now blamed on Trump, personally. 

Jeff had to go...as he was pimping children to the powerful (often with wives knowing)...and now about to tell all in court. It was going to be something...but, toilet paper???...okay...that's novel.

The powerful who visited...apparently many from both sides of the fence...are rather decadent. Who knew? The island in question is pretty weird & Caligula-ish...Google Earth shows a bit from the outside. Well...last I looked. Said island might be 'gone' by now...lol.

"Hey, look...just water!"

[WestCanMan]

51 minutes ago, Petros said:

You could not land a beautiful, intelligent Woman if your life depended on it. My children are superior to your children, since good genetics run in my family.  I hope you are happy though, regardless of your shortcomings in intelligence and looks.

FWIW my wife is an extremely attractive & successful businesswoman, but we both know that has nothing to do with the merits of my opinions.

Let me guess: you're a BA-rista.

Skinny guy, greasy man-bun, dirty white shirt, unshaven with a sketchy "beard", you wear combat boots even though you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag, you live in your mom's basement, and your only hope for attracting girls is your deeply heartfelt feminist elevator speech. 

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

FWIW my wife is an extremely attractive & successful businesswoman, but we both know that has nothing to do with the merits of my opinions.

Let me guess: you're a BA-rista.

Skinny guy, greasy man-bun, dirty white shirt, unshaven with a sketchy "beard", you wear combat boots even though you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag, you live in your mom's basement, and your only hope for attracting girls is your deeply heartfelt feminist elevator speech. 

 

1 hour ago, Petros said:

You could not land a beautiful, intelligent Woman if your life depended on it. My children are superior to your children, since good genetics run in my family.  I hope you are happy though, regardless of your shortcomings in intelligence and looks.

 

Waitress??? A couple more for these two.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

 

Waitress??? A couple more for these two.

Lol. I don't even drink. This is me sober. 

I just have no tolerance for liars. Never have, never will.  

I don't believe in arguing with those types of people without calling them out for what they are: it's important to make note of the fact that they're not merely "wrong".  

Edited January 24, 2021 by WestCanMan

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Lol. I don't even drink. This is me sober. 

I just have no tolerance for liars. Never have, never will.  

I don't believe in arguing with those types of people without calling them out for what they are: it's important to make note of the fact that they're not merely "wrong".  

 

No point wrastlin' pigs most times. You get durty n' the pig enjoys it!

In other-words: Whose wife is hotter is a question that is unanswerable in this medium. 

This is the hill we're gonna die on Sargent?

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

No point wrastlin' pigs most times. You get durty n' the pig enjoys it!

In other-words: Whose wife is hotter is a question that is unanswerable in this medium. 

This is the hill we're gonna die on Sargent?

Good point.

I got baited into ad hominem mud-flinging contest, and anything dishonest or deflectionist (that's a word now) is leftist territory. 

[OftenWrong]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Lol. I don't even drink.

“Appreciation of my work is much improved by drink.”

- William S. Oftenwrong

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Good point.

I got baited into ad hominem mud-flinging contest, and anything dishonest or deflectionist (that's a word now) is leftist territory. 

 

Thus the history club...when it all seems pointless, I go light-off a few nukes...lol. Who knew they fired off all those thing for reasons they thought perfectly sound at the time.

 

[BeaverFever]

‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy

David Smith

 

The KGB ‘played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality’, Yuri Shvets, a key source for a new book, tells the Guardian

Donald Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset over 40 years and proved so willing to parrot anti-western propaganda that there were celebrations in Moscow, a former KGB spy has told the Guardian.

Yuri Shvets, posted to Washington by the Soviet Union in the 1980s, compares the former US president to “the Cambridge five”, the British spy ring that passed secrets to Moscow during the second world war and early cold war.

Now 67, Shvets is a key source for American Kompromat, a new book by journalist Craig Unger, whose previous works include House of Trump, House of Putin. The book also explores the former president’s relationship with the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

“This is an example where people were recruited when they were just students and then they rose to important positions; something like that was happening with Trump,” Shvets said by phone on Monday from his home in Virginia.

Shvets, a KGB major, had a cover job as a correspondent in Washington for the Russian news agency Tass during the 1980s. He moved to the US permanently in 1993 and gained American citizenship. He works as a corporate security investigator and was a partner of Alexander Litvinenko, who was assassinated in London in 2006.

Unger describes how Trump first appeared on the Russians’ radar in 1977 when he married his first wife, Ivana Zelnickova, a Czech model. Trump became the target of a spying operation overseen by Czechoslovakia’s intelligence service in cooperation with the KGB.

Three years later Trump opened his first big property development, the Grand Hyatt New York hotel near Grand Central station. Trump bought 200 television sets for the hotel from Semyon Kislin, a Soviet émigré who co-owned Joy-Lud electronics on Fifth Avenue.

According to Shvets, Joy-Lud was controlled by the KGB and Kislin worked as a so-called “spotter agent” who identified Trump, a young businessman on the rise, as a potential asset. Kislin denies that he had a relationship with the KGB.

Then, in 1987, Trump and Ivana visited Moscow and St Petersburg for the first time. Shvets said he was fed KGB talking points and flattered by KGB operatives who floated the idea that he should go into politics.

The ex-major recalled: “For the KGB, it was a charm offensive. They had collected a lot of information on his personality so they knew who he was personally. The feeling was that he was extremely vulnerable intellectually, and psychologically, and he was prone to flattery.

“This is what they exploited. They played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality and believed this is the guy who should be the president of the United States one day: it is people like him who could change the world. They fed him these so-called active measures soundbites and it happened. So it was a big achievement for the KGB active measures at the time.”

Soon after he returned to the US, Trump began exploring a run for the Republican nomination for president and even held a campaign rally in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. On 1 September, he took out a full-page advert in the New York Times, Washington Post and Boston Globe headlined: “There’s nothing wrong with America’s Foreign Defense Policy that a little backbone can’t cure.”

The ad offered some highly unorthodox opinions in Ronald Reagan’s cold war America, accusing ally Japan of exploiting the US and expressing scepticism about US participation in Nato. It took the form of an open letter to the American people “on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves”.

The bizarre intervention was cause for astonishment and jubilation in Russia. A few days later Shvets, who had returned home by now, was at the headquarters of the KGB’s first chief directorate in Yasenevo when he received a cable celebrating the ad as a successful “active measure” executed by a new KGB asset.

“It was unprecedented. I am pretty well familiar with KGB active measures starting in the early 70s and 80s, and then afterwards with Russia active measures, and I haven’t heard anything like that or anything similar – until Trump became the president of this country – because it was just silly. It was hard to believe that somebody would publish it under his name and that it will impress real serious people in the west but it did and, finally, this guy became the president.”

Trump’s election win in 2016 was again welcomed by Moscow. Special counsel Robert Mueller did not establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. But the Moscow Project, an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, found the Trump campaign and transition team had at least 272 known contacts and at least 38 known meetings with Russia-linked operatives.

Shvets, who has carried out his own investigation, said: “For me, the Mueller report was a big disappointment because people expected that it will be a thorough investigation of all ties between Trump and Moscow, when in fact what we got was an investigation of just crime-related issues. There were no counterintelligence aspects of the relationship between Trump and Moscow.”

He added: “This is what basically we decided to correct. So I did my investigation and then got together with Craig. So we believe that his book will pick up where Mueller left off.”

Unger, the author of seven books and a former contributing editor for Vanity Fair magazine, said of Trump: “He was an asset. It was not this grand, ingenious plan that we’re going to develop this guy and 40 years later he’ll be president. At the time it started, which was around 1980, the Russians were trying to recruit like crazy and going after dozens and dozens of people.”

“Trump was the perfect target in a lot of ways: his vanity, narcissism made him a natural target to recruit. He was cultivated over a 40-year period, right up through his election.”
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book

[Right To Left]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy

David Smith

 

The KGB ‘played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality’, Yuri Shvets, a key source for a new book, tells the Guardian

Donald Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset over 40 years and proved so willing to parrot anti-western propaganda that there were celebrations in Moscow, a former KGB spy has told the Guardian.

Yuri Shvets, posted to Washington by the Soviet Union in the 1980s, compares the former US president to “the Cambridge five”, the British spy ring that passed secrets to Moscow during the second world war and early cold war.

Now 67, Shvets is a key source for American Kompromat, a new book by journalist Craig Unger, whose previous works include House of Trump, House of Putin. The book also explores the former president’s relationship with the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

“This is an example where people were recruited when they were just students and then they rose to important positions; something like that was happening with Trump,” Shvets said by phone on Monday from his home in Virginia.

Shvets, a KGB major, had a cover job as a correspondent in Washington for the Russian news agency Tass during the 1980s. He moved to the US permanently in 1993 and gained American citizenship. He works as a corporate security investigator and was a partner of Alexander Litvinenko, who was assassinated in London in 2006.

Unger describes how Trump first appeared on the Russians’ radar in 1977 when he married his first wife, Ivana Zelnickova, a Czech model. Trump became the target of a spying operation overseen by Czechoslovakia’s intelligence service in cooperation with the KGB.

Three years later Trump opened his first big property development, the Grand Hyatt New York hotel near Grand Central station. Trump bought 200 television sets for the hotel from Semyon Kislin, a Soviet émigré who co-owned Joy-Lud electronics on Fifth Avenue.

According to Shvets, Joy-Lud was controlled by the KGB and Kislin worked as a so-called “spotter agent” who identified Trump, a young businessman on the rise, as a potential asset. Kislin denies that he had a relationship with the KGB.

Then, in 1987, Trump and Ivana visited Moscow and St Petersburg for the first time. Shvets said he was fed KGB talking points and flattered by KGB operatives who floated the idea that he should go into politics.

The ex-major recalled: “For the KGB, it was a charm offensive. They had collected a lot of information on his personality so they knew who he was personally. The feeling was that he was extremely vulnerable intellectually, and psychologically, and he was prone to flattery.

“This is what they exploited. They played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality and believed this is the guy who should be the president of the United States one day: it is people like him who could change the world. They fed him these so-called active measures soundbites and it happened. So it was a big achievement for the KGB active measures at the time.”

Soon after he returned to the US, Trump began exploring a run for the Republican nomination for president and even held a campaign rally in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. On 1 September, he took out a full-page advert in the New York Times, Washington Post and Boston Globe headlined: “There’s nothing wrong with America’s Foreign Defense Policy that a little backbone can’t cure.”

The ad offered some highly unorthodox opinions in Ronald Reagan’s cold war America, accusing ally Japan of exploiting the US and expressing scepticism about US participation in Nato. It took the form of an open letter to the American people “on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves”.

The bizarre intervention was cause for astonishment and jubilation in Russia. A few days later Shvets, who had returned home by now, was at the headquarters of the KGB’s first chief directorate in Yasenevo when he received a cable celebrating the ad as a successful “active measure” executed by a new KGB asset.

“It was unprecedented. I am pretty well familiar with KGB active measures starting in the early 70s and 80s, and then afterwards with Russia active measures, and I haven’t heard anything like that or anything similar – until Trump became the president of this country – because it was just silly. It was hard to believe that somebody would publish it under his name and that it will impress real serious people in the west but it did and, finally, this guy became the president.”

Trump’s election win in 2016 was again welcomed by Moscow. Special counsel Robert Mueller did not establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. But the Moscow Project, an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, found the Trump campaign and transition team had at least 272 known contacts and at least 38 known meetings with Russia-linked operatives.

Shvets, who has carried out his own investigation, said: “For me, the Mueller report was a big disappointment because people expected that it will be a thorough investigation of all ties between Trump and Moscow, when in fact what we got was an investigation of just crime-related issues. There were no counterintelligence aspects of the relationship between Trump and Moscow.”

He added: “This is what basically we decided to correct. So I did my investigation and then got together with Craig. So we believe that his book will pick up where Mueller left off.”

Unger, the author of seven books and a former contributing editor for Vanity Fair magazine, said of Trump: “He was an asset. It was not this grand, ingenious plan that we’re going to develop this guy and 40 years later he’ll be president. At the time it started, which was around 1980, the Russians were trying to recruit like crazy and going after dozens and dozens of people.”

“Trump was the perfect target in a lot of ways: his vanity, narcissism made him a natural target to recruit. He was cultivated over a 40-year period, right up through his election.”
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book

The only time I followed the Russiagate story close enough to try to figure out what the hell was going on was back when Robert Mueller was holding hearings and then turned out a report that was open-ended and used language that could be interpreted to mean everything from 'Trump is under control by Putin' to the whole thing has just been a scripted fraud!  And I'm inclined to go with the latter explanation! 

There were so many options to follow to try to set up an actual impeachment trial of Donald Trump, why did they follow this convoluted story that wasted four years and went nowhere. What's worse is that nuclear arms treaties between the US and Russia  (like the INF)   lapsed during this time, with war started right on Russia's borders with Ukraine, and nothing said or done about already ongoing wars and failed regime change operations. 

So many Russian scandal narratives have fallen by the wayside (but never completely buried) and done nothing but provide careers for pseudo-journalists like Elliot Higgins, and likely everyone else at Bellingcat....which came out of nowhere to become the go to source for everything connected with the Russian government and the Syrian civil war...the other great opportunity for propaganda and misinformation. 

The only thing all this has clearly done is to disarm and disable leftists who used to try to focus their attention on domestic policy that actually affects their lives. 

[godzilla]

as pointed out... Trump was never charged with anything. so not sure why Trump lovers always bring it up. yeah, it may have looked bad for him as so many of his guys went to jail. and then he had to bail them out... not sure why.

but the Russians were involved in the 2016 election. and they were pushing for Trump. thats definitive. unless the R led senate are also pushing the narrative for some reason.

numerous indictments and convictions by jury of peers in a nation of laws happened. and criminals should always be brought to justice in a nation of laws.

Edited January 31, 2021 by godzilla

[BeaverFever]

As was accurately predicted, none of the donations Trump the fraudster collected for his bogus election fraud claims actually went to funding his bogus election fraud claims. He simply pocketed the money 

 

Trump Raised $76 Million -- Then Spent Nothing On Vote Challenges Or Georgia

Trump's bait-and-switch ads cited the need to contest his election loss and for the GOP to hold the Senate as he sought funds for his “leadership” PAC.

 

WASHINGTON ― Then-President Donald Trump raised $76 million for a political slush fund by citing the need to challenge his Nov. 3 reelection loss and for Republicans to win two Senate runoffs in Georgia, but through the end of 2020 he did not spend a dime of it on either.

 

“He put nothing back. He didn’t care,” said one top Republican familiar with the fundraising operation who spoke on condition of anonymity, adding that Trump intends to use the money to pay his personal, non-election-related, legal bills. “He put all this money in the bank for his own legal fights. He never cared about Georgia’s races.”

 

Many Republicans say that, far from helping his party win the Jan. 5 Georgia races, Trump’s repeated lies about the election having been stolen from him ―  particularly in the Peach State, where he narrowly lost to Democrat Joe Biden ― depressed turnout among GOP voters and cost them both seats and control of the Senate.

 

Trump’s “Save America” leadership committee, which he can use for just about any purpose he wants, including paying himself a salary, reported ending the year with $31.2 million in the bank. And it’s entitled to another $45 million sitting in the account of a joint fundraising committee with the Republican National Committee.

That joint operation, the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, sent out hundreds of fundraising emails and texts on Save America’s behalf starting from Nov. 11 right through Jan. 6, just minutes before the mob of Trump supporters attacked the Capitol after being instructed by him to stop Congress from officially certifying Biden’s victory. Five people died during the riot, including one police officer killed by the mob, and 140 were injured. ...

 

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6018900dc5b6bde2f5c232bb/amp