Syrian refugees coming to Canada.

[Smallc]

Let's revisit in a couple of months and see where we're at then. I sense this will present more of a problem than the Liberals anticipated.

I'm extrapolation, I know, but if they found houses for more than half in 3 months, the other half should be mostly taken care of in another 2 - 3 months.

Edited March 1, 2016 by Smallc

[On Guard for Thee]

I always held my head up, though now that we have a glee club leader as PM I might have to wear a mask.

I doubt that has anything to do with our new leader.

[eyeball]

Obviously, you don't think it's important to measure the effectiveness of a given government program or process.

If I'm yarding people as fast as I can out of an increasingly dire emergency I'd probably spend a pretty minimal amount of time worrying about whether everyone is having a soft cushy landing.

If we'd been planning for this crisis ten years ago when it was clear what was coming you'd have a point but now it's an emergency so...

This crisis is the measure of the effectiveness of the policies that helped create it.

Edited March 1, 2016 by eyeball

[dialamah]

No doubt. Step back a minute and visualize a good number of those refugees stuck in hotels with small children who are unable to venture outside to play, many of them plopped in communities in the dead of winter. What I would like to see down the road is the number of those 25,000 refugees who opt to return from whence they came, be it refugee camp or bombed out native city because they see that as a better alternative than was presented to them upon arriving here. Do you think the government will make those numbers available to us?

True, being in a hotel room for a few weeks isn't much fun, but being in a refugee camp or living in a city that is regularly bombed is better? I seriously doubt that. It's not clear to me why the kids can't go outside to play. Are they told to stay inside? Or are they too uncomfortable to venture out?

The only way knowing how many Syrian refugees return home would be relevant would be if that number were compared to number of refugees who ever return. I'm sure some do, when the situation in their home country improves.

Edited March 1, 2016 by dialamah

[taxme]

True, being in a hotel room for a few weeks isn't much fun, but being in a refugee camp or living in a city that is regularly bombed is better? I seriously doubt that. It's not clear to me why the kids can't go outside to play. Are they told to stay inside? Or are they too uncomfortable to venture out?

The only way knowing how many Syrian refugees return home would be relevant would be if that number were compared to number of refugees who ever return. I'm sure some do, when the situation in their home country improves.

(X)And that would be the thanks that the Canadian taxpayer would get for all their money that was spent on trying to get them settled. But it is nothing new. New immigrants have been doing that for years. They get their Canadian citizenship, and then they head back home and work. They will only come back if problems arise from whence they came. But does the average Canadian care? I think not.

[capricorn]

If we'd been planning for this crisis ten years ago when it was clear what was coming you'd have a point but now it's an emergency so...

Emergency or not, it's a little late for the Liberal government to concern themselves over the lack of acceptable accommodation for the majority of these Syrian refugees. That should have been done from day one. It was way more important for Justin to post good numbers that he could hold up for viewing by his adoring Canadian and international admirers.

[capricorn]

... the other half should be mostly taken care of in another 2 - 3 months.

What about the other 10,000+ Syrians Justin and company want to bring in pronto. You may want to revise your "extrapolation" using new numbers.

[capricorn]

True, being in a hotel room for a few weeks isn't much fun, but being in a refugee camp or living in a city that is regularly bombed is better? I seriously doubt that.

Who are we to substitute our view of the world to those who are living the experience. You may be interested in this report from the UNHCR. More refugees are returning home to camps and homes in war zones that you may think.

"In December 2015, 86 per cent of refugees who went back to Syria were those who were living out of camps, in urban settings. Rent is high, it is difficult to find work and people are running out of money," said Mustafa El Hegagi, a UNHCR repatriation officer who works at the Iraq border.

United Nations officials estimate that many more Syrian refugees will leave Iraq for Syria, or to other countries in 2016. But, due to the security situation on the other side of the border, UNHCR maintains a non-return policy to Syria.

"We acknowledge that refugees may be leaving Iraq because of a lack of assistance," says UNHCR protection officer Ana Scattone Ferreira. "UNHCR, donors and the humanitarian community are working hard to overcome funding gaps, but the deteriorating economic situation in the KR-I has been a major push factor for Syrian returns. In light of this, it is our duty to make sure that refugees are returning voluntarily and that they are well-informed and aware of the risks and consequences."

http://www.unhcr.org/56b85b3d6.html

[Smallc]

What about the other 10,000+ Syrians Justin and company want to bring in pronto. You may want to revise your "extrapolation" using new numbers.

Obviously I'm not talking about people that aren't here yet.

[eyeball]

Emergency or not, it's a little late for the Liberal government to concern themselves over the lack of acceptable accommodation for the majority of these Syrian refugees. That should have been done from day one. It was way more important for Justin to post good numbers that he could hold up for viewing by his adoring Canadian and international admirers.

Well, I guess it was more important for our allies to vandalize the ME region and for us to stand around with our thumbs up our butts without doing anything about it. But it's too late to do anything about not listening to to people who warned us about this predictable turn of events so...

I'm perfectly willing to accept millions of refugees myself out of pure spite for the stupid people who so enduringly supported churning up the quagmire known as the ME in the first place. It looks good on us.

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, I guess it was more important for our allies to vandalize the ME region and for us to stand around with our thumbs up our butts without doing anything about it. But it's too late to do anything about not listening to to people who warned us about this predictable turn of events so...

Really ? And just what do you think Canada was going to be able to do about it ? Besides bombing Libya and Iraq ?

[eyeball]

Nothing at all. We're with ya man don't sweat it.

[On Guard for Thee]

Really ? And just what do you think Canada was going to be able to do about it ? Besides bombing Libya and Iraq ?

No, you boys did Iraq. That's why Bush now needs to stick close to home.

[taxme]

So, we are going to have 25,000 - 50,000 Syrian refugees coming to Canada in the next year or so. The cost according to the CBC will be approx. 100 million Canadian tax dollars to feed,clothe,house, and for other expenses. They will take a toll on our medical and social services. Why is this happening? Who asked the Canadian taxpayer if they wanted them here? No one. We are just told by our politically correct pro-multicultural politicians that this will be so, dam the money, and dam what the taxpayer thinks. These so-called refugees are criminals. The reason I call them criminals is that they entered another country illegally therefore making them criminal illegals.And now these criminals are coming to Canada and will be treated like VIP's and better than our own people.

Our present day immigration policy needs an overhaul. We are allowing to many legal and illegal immigrants into Canada, around 300,000 - 400,000 every year, and many are ending up on welfare, aid that should be going to our own Canadians, many who live in poverty,kids going to school hungry, and our veterans who are treated worse than these illegals are. It is time for a moratorium on immigration until Canada can get the 2 million unemployed Canadians back to work. Our politicans should think about Canada and Canadians first, not the rest of the world first. Works for me.

(X)On the CBC news today I saw on the ticker tape at the bottom of the screen tell me that the liberals are now thinking about paying for all the Syrians travel expenses. So, the sponsor who sponsored the Syrians to travel here is going to be sponsored by the government, or otherwise also known as the taxpayer. I think after all is said and done, and the 50,000 Syrians that make it to Canada will be costing the taxpayer's for the next five to ten years approx. 5 if not more billions. Way the go liberals, you sure know how to spend tax dollars unwisely. But what else is new with liberals.

[eyeball]

The lesson here is to listen to warnings, usually from lefties, that the cost of pursuing the sorts of militaristic foreign policies conservative thinking leads to comes with a cost. The real lesson will have been learned when you ponder this in the future and ask yourselves what if it's liberals who are in charge when the bills come due?

[G Huxley]

Liberals and Conservatives are two sides of the same negative coin. The conservatives for destroying the Middle East with their Neoconservative crusades, and the Liberals for also taking part in such crusades and for taking in tens of thousands of refugees. Together they are a disaster.

[Big Guy]

I believe that we have a moral obligation to alleviate the refugee problem that we had a hand in creating. It surprises me that there are still a few Canadians who profess that it is not our fault.

There are now millions of homeless. People who have lost their homes in Syria, Iraq and Libya - three areas which we have been bombing.

Before the USA got involved in Afghanistan and then started the dismantlement of the Middle East, people were free to leave or not the areas in question. They chose NOT to leave. Now, they choose to get out. I think that indicates that maybe we had something to do with making them homeless - Hello!

Now that Canada has pulled our airplanes and creating more refugees perhaps we can spend more time making up for our mistakes.

You cannot take back those bombs once you drop them.

[Argus]

Liberals and Conservatives are two sides of the same negative coin. The conservatives for destroying the Middle East with their Neoconservative crusades, and the Liberals for also taking part in such crusades and for taking in tens of thousands of refugees. Together they are a disaster.

The thing about the far left is that they see all non-whites as sheep, animals to be herded here or there at the behest of those cunning white people. Nothing a non-white person does is their responsibility. It\s always the evil white people who are fault. It's a bizarre mindset.

[eyeball]

That's pretty bizarre alright.

[scribblet]

The thing about the far left is that they see all non-whites as sheep, animals to be herded here or there at the behest of those cunning white people. Nothing a non-white person does is their responsibility. It\s always the evil white people who are fault. It's a bizarre mindset.

Well said

[G Huxley]

"I believe that we have a moral obligation to alleviate the refugee problem that we had a hand in creating. It surprises me that there are still a few Canadians who profess that it is not our fault."

The moral argument is Abrahamic religious philosophy. 'the meak will inherit the earth.' It is as Nietzsche called Slave Morality. Our moral responsibility is to protect Canada and its environment not to mop up after the Neocons and to help Islam spread globally.

Edited March 16, 2016 by G Huxley

[PIK]

Easy hux with saying it is our fault. The only mistake we ever made was thinking we could do some good over their to begin with. They were doing evil things to themselves long before Canada was even a country, and will long after we are gone. Islam is a major problem,but the bigger problem is the left that is in denial. We either go in and end it the right way or we all leave and let them slaughter themselves till th3e cows come home.

[G Huxley]

Well first a Canadian general led the NATO attack that destroyed Libya. So Canada is responsible for that. And Canada did play America's dog in Afghanistan.

Syria the blame isn't so much on Canada as the rest of NATO and the Arab Gulf States.

"Islam is a major problem,"

Agreed.

"but the bigger problem is the left that is in denial. We either go in and end it the right way"

This is where the right is in denial. The right went in and surprise it didn't end right away, but opened up the pandora's box.

"or we all leave and let them slaughter themselves till th3e cows come home."

And the problem with that is? Note it addresses problem #1.

Edited March 18, 2016 by G Huxley

[eyeball]

"but the bigger problem is the left that is in denial. We either go in and end it the right way"

This is where the right is in denial. The right went in and surprise it didn't end right away, but opened up the pandora's box.

Just like the left told them it would. It's the thought of admitting the left was right that's most galling and probably what's stalling progress the hardest. When things finally come down to a peace process, and they will, conservatives from all sides will have to be dragged kicking and screaming in protest every single inch of the way.

[G Huxley]

Yes the right are the real criminals here for starting this insanity and for keeping it going, but many on the left (including Hollande, Merkel (yeah she's a conservative party leader but really she's more left than most left wings these days) and Trudeau) are also acting pretty stupidly by allowing the invasion of secular countries by Islam and by continuing the neoconservative crusades.

Incidentally I wouldn't include Obama as being on the left.

Edited March 18, 2016 by G Huxley