eyeball Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Whatever else they might call themselves they're all loath to be branded one. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Well first a Canadian general led the NATO attack that destroyed Libya. So Canada is responsible for that. And Canada did play America's dog in Afghanistan. Sorry, but Libya was already in the midst of a bloody civil war before the first western aircraft appeared in the skies. You'll have to play out your hatred of white people with some other excuse. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Yes the right are the real criminals here for starting this insanity and for keeping it going, The spontaneous upraising in Tunisia was a conspiracy by white people? Who knew! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Matthew Fisher never writes a column which isn't worth reading. As he has before he talks about the extreme danger Christians are in from Muslim extremists across the middle east. Harper prioritized Christians and Yazidis as the most in danger, but Trudeau changed the order. He had no interest or care in who was in the most danger. He just wanted to bring over as many as possible to fulfill his completely arbitrary promise. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/matthew-fisher-what-is-canada-doing-about-isils-genocide-against-christians Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Well, remember Gen Powell to GW.. "if u break it, u have to fix it" thee only problem right now is, its still being broken and destroy. Quote
Argus Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Well, remember Gen Powell to GW.. "if u break it, u have to fix it" thee only problem right now is, its still being broken and destroy. It was broken 1600 years ago. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PIK Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Our troops did more good then harm to the people of Afghanistan. We left to early .IMO Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
G Huxley Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Sorry, but Libya was already in the midst of a bloody civil war before the first western aircraft appeared in the skies. You'll have to play out your hatred of white people with some other excuse. How many were killed in the 'bloody civil war' in Libya before the first western aircraft appeared in the skies? 200? Quote
G Huxley Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 The spontaneous upraising in Tunisia was a conspiracy by white people? Who knew! Complete non sequitur. Tunisia is the only country that has done relatively well in all this as it has been the only country, which hasn't faced western intervention. Quote
G Huxley Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Our troops did more good then harm to the people of Afghanistan. We left to early .IMO Sure, but they were just addressing the symptom and not the root of the problem. Afghanistan is in pieces. Quote
Argus Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 How many were killed in the 'bloody civil war' in Libya before the first western aircraft appeared in the skies? 200? Lots. It was the outcry over the slaughter there which wound up provoking western leaders to aid the rebels in order to put an end to it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 18, 2016 Report Posted March 18, 2016 Complete non sequitur. Tunisia is the only country that has done relatively well in all this as it has been the only country, which hasn't faced western intervention. Because they won quickly. The others put up a bigger fight. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
G Huxley Posted March 19, 2016 Report Posted March 19, 2016 Because they won quickly. The others put up a bigger fight. And the west intervened in all of those and turned them into a living hell on earth. Great call. Quote
G Huxley Posted March 19, 2016 Report Posted March 19, 2016 Lots. It was the outcry over the slaughter there which wound up provoking western leaders to aid the rebels in order to put an end to it. Emotion trumping logic and costing an out of this world slaughter and hell hole. Yeah great call on that one. Quote
Argus Posted March 19, 2016 Report Posted March 19, 2016 And the west intervened in all of those and turned them into a living hell on earth. Great call. Libya was already hell on earth. Sudan is still a hell on earth. Egypt's military took back the government. The Saudis intervened in Kuwait and Yemen. Syria was a hell on earth as proxies for Sunies and Shiites fought it out with the help of the Russians long before western nations grew incensed at the genocidal attacks on Iraq''s minorities to half heartedly intervene. Your belief it requires white people to make someplace a hell on earth is misguided, mistaken, and wildly paternalistic. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 19, 2016 Report Posted March 19, 2016 Emotion trumping logic and costing an out of this world slaughter and hell hole. Yeah great call on that one. The only mistake the West made in Libya was that the moment the government fell the west turned away and left Libya to its own devices. Islamists started fighting and continue to do so even though a rather minor intervention from the west could do wonders to smash them before they grow. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
G Huxley Posted March 19, 2016 Report Posted March 19, 2016 "Libya was already hell on earth." Bullshit. I was there 14 days before the Arab Spring spread to there. It was a lovely country, very clean, advanced, had great food and was and way better than most other countries in the Middle East. In fact it had the strongest economy in Africa."Sudan is still a hell on earth." Sudan is irrelevant to this discussion."Egypt's military took back the government." Egypt's military is backed by the US govt. "The Saudis intervened in Kuwait and Yemen."You mean Bahrain and Yemen. The US sat back and led the Saudis slaughter the Bahraini opposition. (case in point actually Bahrain is much better today than Libya where the US intervened), Yemen the US used drones and helped tear the country into shreds. "Syria was a hell on earth as proxies for Sunies and Shiites fought it out with the help of the Russians long before western nations grew incensed at the genocidal attacks on Iraq''s minorities to half heartedly intervene."What time period are you referring to? Syria was a much better country before the Neocons decided to completely destabilize and destroy the Middle East."Your belief it requires white people to make someplace a hell on earth is misguided, mistaken, and wildly paternalistic." No paternalistic is thinking the white man's burden is to intervene in functioning countries to destroy them and turn them into living hells on earth. Quote
G Huxley Posted March 19, 2016 Report Posted March 19, 2016 "The only mistake the West made in Libya was that the moment the government fell the west turned away and left Libya to its own devices."By the time the government had fallen the country was already in a complete wreck and thousands upon thousands had died. If NATO continued to garrison it as Iraq and Afghanistan it would have further over-extended itself and gone bankrupt even quicker as the Iraq and Afghan wars demonstrated. "Islamists started fighting and continue to do so even though a rather minor intervention from the west could do wonders to smash them before they grow."The Pandora's box is opened due to your continued inability to see that repeating your mistakes time and time again just further exacerbates the mess. Quote
G Huxley Posted March 19, 2016 Report Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) The right: 'It doesn't matter if we just keep making the Middle East worse. it was always terrible.'Logic: Then if it's always been terrible why spend trillions of dollars making it worse?Because the right is a waste of space and a giant money drain of murderous insanity. Edited March 19, 2016 by G Huxley Quote
Argus Posted March 19, 2016 Report Posted March 19, 2016 "Libya was already hell on earth." Bullshit. I was there 14 days before the Arab Spring spread to there. It was a lovely country, very clean, advanced, had great food and was and way better than most other countries in the Middle East. In fact it had the strongest economy in Africa. Libya was a hole just like all of Africa. Clearly your standards are a lot lower than mine. Regardless, what I said stands. The violence in Libya was not started by the West. It was an internal revolution, and the fighting was well underway before western countries began to intervene to try and put a stop to it. Your being their BEFORE the revolution started is utterly irrelevant. "Sudan is still a hell on earth." Sudan is irrelevant to this discussion. Why? Because you haven't figured out a way to blame the West for the violence and slaughter there? "Egypt's military took back the government." Egypt's military is backed by the US govt. Overthrowing the elected government was not something the US government supported. "The Saudis intervened in Kuwait and Yemen." You mean Bahrain and Yemen. The US sat back and led the Saudis slaughter The Saudis are not now nor have they ever been under the control of the US. Syria was a much better country before the Neocons decided to completely destabilize and destroy the Middle East. The Syrian revolution was inspired by the Arab Spring, not what happened in Iraq. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
G Huxley Posted March 20, 2016 Report Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) "Libya was a hole just like all of Africa. Clearly your standards are a lot lower than mine."You've never been there so you wouldn't know, so I'll pardon your ignorance, but it is obvious now that the situation is much much much worse than it was previously, the difference between night and day. "Regardless, what I said stands. The violence in Libya was not started by the West. It was an internal revolution, and the fighting was well underway before western countries began to intervene to try and put a stop to it."Again it was all geopolitics and oil. The US tacitly accepted and stood by as the Saudis invaded and brutally crushed the uprising in Bahrain. That said it is much better now in Bahrain than it will likely be in Libya for decades. If it was an internal revolution then the west (outsiders) need not get involved and the internal revolution was nothing compared to what happened once the west intervened. "Your being their BEFORE the revolution started is utterly irrelevant."I was in Egypt while the revolution was taking place there and people were gunned down by the Egyptian government at the same time as the Libya protests were taking place, the west didn't intervene in Egypt, because their friendly dictator was in power there, just as in Bahrain. "Overthrowing the elected government was not something the US government supported."The US almost immediately made heavy arms deals with the dictatorship again right after the coup. So the support is clearly noted, also that same dictatorship had just sentenced over 600 people to death for protesting."The Saudis are not now nor have they ever been under the control of the US."That wasn't the implication. If the US did to Libya and did the same to Bahrain they would have attacked the Saudis who were brutally crushing the internal Bahraini revolt. "The Syrian revolution was inspired by the Arab Spring, not what happened in Iraq."The rise of ISIS in Syria is a direct result to what happened in Iraq. Edited March 20, 2016 by G Huxley Quote
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