Sweden and Finland kicking out thousands of Refugees.

[Boges]

Such tolerant nordic nations!

We're always told that Scandinavian nations are models of tolerance and socialist governance. Cept they they've had enough with all the Muslim Refugees and they're kicking some of them out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422350/Finland-follows-Sweden-s-lead-announces-expel-20-000-32-000-migrants-arrived-2015.html

Finland has joined Sweden in announcing plans to repatriate tens of thousands of migrants whose asylum requests will likely be rejected.

The two Nordic countries are both struggling to cope with with an unprecedented influx of refugees and migrants fleeing war and misery in the Middle East and elsewhere, and they receive among the highest number of arrivals per capita in the EU.

The Finnish government said it expect to deport around 20,000 of the 32,000 asylum-seekers it received in 2015.

Is it Xenophobia or even Islamophobia?

Are they fearing that such an influx of people from vastly different cultures of their own will cause turmoil? Or is it simply economic.

The deportations will take place gradually as immigration authorities process applications.

Two charter flights to deport Iraqis were already scheduled within the following months and about 4,000 asylum-seekers had already withdrawn their applications.

Finland is also in diplomatic negotiations with neighbouring Russia to stop migrants from entering Finland via the Arctic region.

After Norway barred migrants from entering the country on its own Arctic border crossing with Russia in December, the flow of migrants turned towards Finland.

It comes as neighbouring Sweden was planning over several years to deport up to 80,000 people whose asylum applications are likely to be rejected.

Edited January 29, 2016 by Boges

[eyeball]

Is it Xenophobia or even Islamophobia?

It's a stupid consequence of having ignored the very wise warnings to not turn the ME into a failed region with really stupid foreign policies nearly 15 years ago. This refugee problem was inevitable and Europe has no one to blame but itself for either ignoring it, contributing to its causes or not standing in the way of countries and allies that did cause it.

The fact Europe will have to turn itself into a monster to deal with this consequence will probably be our problem to solve...just one more thing on an already overloaded plate. Boy nothing like approaching the Bottleneck with all our ducks scattered here there and everywhere. It's a clusterduck!

[bush_cheney2004]

...The fact Europe will have to turn itself into a monster to deal with this consequence will probably be our problem to solve...

Yeah, because we all know that Canada had nothing to do with destabilizing the region, partnering with dictators, enforcing sanctions, bombing the locals, and exporting "Canadian values" from defense plants. Bad Europe !

[Boges]

Yeah, because we all know that Canada had nothing to do with destabilizing the region, partnering with dictators, enforcing sanctions, bombing the locals, and exporting "Canadian values" from defense plants. Bad Europe !

I'm sure member eyeball is including us and Good Ole Murika into the equation. All this terrorism and influx of refugee is our fault. All of it.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm sure member eyeball is including us and Good Ole Murika into the equation. All this terrorism and influx of refugee is our fault. All of it.

I don't think so....Canada is completely innocent in the matter and opens its cold arms to all refugees, especially come election time.

[eyeball]

I'm sure member eyeball is including us and Good Ole Murika into the equation. All this terrorism and influx of refugee is our fault. All of it.

Are you exaggerating or just bragging?

[Boges]

Are you exaggerating or just bragging?

I'm just paraphrasing your opinion.

[eyeball]

No you're definitely exaggerating it alright.

[scribblet]

If you read the Euro news, most of the (mostly male) migrants are not refugees in any sense. He says six in ten migrants not entitled to asylum.
Then an immigration Justice McCloskey says of the Calais migrants, they are more likely to be migrants who decline to make a claim for asylum in France, instead favouring Britain because of the "advantages" it offer.

They should be shipping back migrants who are not genuine refugees and enforcing the rules which say they must claim asylum in the first safe country they enter.

[-TSS-]

Sweden is kicking out people because the country is overflowing with refugees. Sadly, Finland is receiving everyone who just can manage to utter a single simple word "asylum".

Southern-Finland is destined to become the dumping ground of the unwanted refugees and Northern-Finland is destined to be the dumping ground of the nuclear waste of the entire EU because of all the rocks.

I'm so glad I don't have children who would face a terrible future in Finland. I've been telling people to urge their children to emigrate while they still can because this country will turn into a nightmarish dystopia.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just do what President Obama has done more than any other U.S. president.....exclude, remove, deport, and kick out MILLIONS of legal and illegal "immigrants" without any remorse. Immigrants do not have the right to emigrate to other nations.

Edited January 30, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[dialamah]

I'm sure member eyeball is including us and Good Ole Murika into the equation. All this terrorism and influx of refugee is our fault. All of it.

How is pointing out that our actions have consequences also saying that "all this terrorism and influx of refugees is our fault"? If someone were travelling on icy roads and landed in the ditch, would you say the accident was "entirely his fault" because he was driving a little too fast? Or would you recognize that without one or the other, the accident may well not have happened? It is possible to recognize all factors in creating a situation.

The unwillingness of some people to recognize our own responsibility in being part of the reason we have refugees astounds me, especially since so many of them are on the 'right', and the 'right' constantly complains about people 'not taking responsibility'. If our government and other Western nations had never engaged in any military action in any Middle Eastern country, or any kind of political manipulation, perhaps then there'd be justification for believing we're innocent of any responsibility for the current situation. But we played, along with everyone else, and now we're paying.

[eyeball]

How is pointing out that our actions have consequences also saying that "all this terrorism and influx of refugees is our fault"?

Simple. Exaggerating the case makes it easy to pretend it's preposterous.

Besides which, politicians and governments never admit to making mistakes. The idea is really just too preposterous.

[Hal 9000]

How is pointing out that our actions have consequences also saying that "all this terrorism and influx of refugees is our fault"? If someone were travelling on icy roads and landed in the ditch, would you say the accident was "entirely his fault" because he was driving a little too fast? Or would you recognize that without one or the other, the accident may well not have happened? It is possible to recognize all factors in creating a situation.

The unwillingness of some people to recognize our own responsibility in being part of the reason we have refugees astounds me, especially since so many of them are on the 'right', and the 'right' constantly complains about people 'not taking responsibility'. If our government and other Western nations had never engaged in any military action in any Middle Eastern country, or any kind of political manipulation, perhaps then there'd be justification for believing we're innocent of any responsibility for the current situation. But we played, along with everyone else, and now we're paying.

By law, that's exactly what the police and insurance company would say.

[dialamah]

By law, that's exactly what the police and insurance company would say.

I ought to have added "but not over the speed limit". My bad.

[kimmy]

An interesting article points out an interesting aspect of Sweden's migrant policies. Due to the huge numbers of refugees Sweden has taken in, and due to the fact that the refugees, particularly in younger age groups, are so overwhelmingly males, Sweden has created a demographic gender imbalance.

According to calculations based on the Swedish government’s figures, a total of 18,615 males aged 16 and 17 entered Sweden over the course of the past year, compared with 2,555 females of the same age. Sure enough, when those figures are added to the existing counts of 16- and 17-year-old boys and girls in Sweden—103,299 and 96,524, respectively, according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s International Database—you end up with a total of 121,914 males in Sweden aged 16 or 17 and 99,079 females of the same age. The resulting ratio is astonishing: These calculations suggest that as of the end of 2015, there were 123 16- and 17-year-old boys in Sweden for every 100 girls of that age.

If that trend continues into 2016 or even beyond, each successive late adolescent cohort of 16- and 17-year-olds will be similarly abnormal, and over time the abnormality will become an established fact of the broader young adult population in Sweden.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/europe-refugees-migrant-crisis-men-213500#ixzz3ykjcXYNr

To put that in perspective, China's gender ratio, the most skewed in the world due to the one-child policy, is 117 men per 100 women.

There are also clearly negative effects for women in male-dominated populations. Crimes such as rape and sexual harassment become more common in highly masculinized societies, and women’s ability to move about freely and without fear within society is curtailed. In addition, demand for prostitution soars; that would create a deeply ironic outcome for Sweden, which invented the path-breaking Swedish abolitionist approach to prostitution.

Europe is famously progressive on women’s rights, and some European governments have even created voluntary classes for migrants to understand how the treatment of women may be profoundly different in their new homes. But even with such efforts there is the potential for real regress when the young adult sex ratio is so high.

The author, a professor who has studied the subject of societies with unbalanced gender ratios, believes that continuing to pursue policies that would make this unbalanced ratio "the new normal" in Sweden would have disastrous consequences for both women and men.

-k

[waldo]

To put that in perspective, China's gender ratio, the most skewed in the world due to the one-child policy, is 117 men per 100 women.

not sure what perspective is offered in comparing an undeclared ages gender ratio of China to a narrow 2 year 16-17 years old gender ratio slice of Sweden.

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[kimmy]

not sure what perspective is offered in comparing an undeclared ages gender ratio of China to a narrow 2 year 16-17 years old gender ratio slice of Sweden.

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China's ratio is all-ages, as the result of decades of the one-child policy. The perspective is that the issues arising from China's disproportionately male population have been observed for some time. In Sweden, for the time being, it's just 2 years in a row. If they persist in the same policies, they will be on a path to duplicating China's issues.

Prof. Hudson suggests this would be tragic for both men and women. She also invites the reader to consider the plight of the women abandoned in desperate conditions in their home countries. Perhaps requiring gender balance among asylum seekers should be a consideration. She suggests other countries look to Prime Minister Trudeau's example.

-k

[eyeball]

I remember saying a decade or more ago that every empty cargo plane that flew back to Canada should be stuffed to the rafters with women and children.

I still think we should be doing that and also spearheading an international Katimavik/Young Men's Islamic Association-like effort to mentor and uplift young men while employing them to rebuild their region's shattered infrastructure. Imagine the change when young women return with more confidence about their ability to assert themselves coupled with a generation of young men more willing to listen.

Edited January 30, 2016 by eyeball

[WestCoastRunner]

I still think we should be doing that and also spearheading an international Katimavik/Young Men's Islamic Association-like effort to mentor and uplift young men while employing them to rebuild their region's shattered infrastructure. Imagine the change when young women return with more confidence about their ability to assert themselves coupled with a generation of young men more willing to listen.

It would be nice if this would start to take place in the refugee camps.

[WestCoastRunner]

I hope that Sweden and Finland make arrangements with other countries to allow these expelled refugees to be admitted.

This will not stem the flow of refugees. Since January 1, 50,000 refugees and immigrants have landed in Europe by sea. 244 have drowned including many children.

Edited January 31, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[eyeball]

It would be nice if this would start to take place in the refugee camps.

We could start tomorrow. If we'd started doing this back in Afghanistan 10 years ago we'd be seeing the first women returning with the new values they've learned in Canada hopefully to young men who now have working skills and new insights on how to be good men through mentorship. This is how you repair a nation and set it in on a sound foundation for the future, from the bottom up.

And if we'd done it then we'd have a better idea on how to do it now and Afghan repatriots could also help pave the way towards convincing other Muslims this is the way forward. The best way to really convince the Muslim world we're serious about turning things around though would be to stop supporting dictators and standing up to countries that do. Trudeau could do that on Monday by tearing up the deal to sell S.A. a pile of armoured and heavily armed vehicles.

He could start announcing plans to sanction warmongering countries on Tuesday.

Isn't this is the son of the man who said "just watch me"?

Edited January 30, 2016 by eyeball

[WestCoastRunner]

We could start tomorrow. If we'd started doing this back in Afghanistan 10 years ago we'd be seeing the first women returning with the new values they've learned in Canada hopefully to young men who now have working skills and new insights on how to be good men through mentorship. This is how you repair a nation and set it in on a sound foundation for the future, from the bottom up.

And if we'd done it then we'd have a better idea on how to do it now and Afghan repatriots could also help pave the way towards convincing other Muslims this is the way forward. The best way to really convince the Muslim world we're serious about turning things around though would be to stop supporting dictators and standing up to countries that do. Trudeau could do that on Monday by tearing up the deal to sell S.A. a pile of armoured and heavily armed vehicles.

He could start announcing plans to sanction warmongering countries on Tuesday.

Isn't this is the son of the man who said "just watch me"?

Sanction the hell out of countries who are abysmal at human rights. And yes, JT should do more and maybe he will but I think the SA deal is a done deal,

We do have a list of conditions that a country has to meet before we will sell them arms etc including that they can't use them on their citizens. It seems weird that the SA deal went through on these conditions.

[WestCoastRunner]

As if this can't get any worse. The leader of a right wing populist party, Frauke Petry, has said that migrants trying to enter Germany illegally should be stopped and if necessary use firearms.

Thankfully Germany's police union said that would never happen. They said her thoughts reflect a radical and inhumane mentality.

No kidding!

You can read it on the bbc website. Can't post the link. Sorry.

Edited January 31, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[WestCoastRunner]

Perhaps the title of this thread should be changed to 'Islamaphobia in Europe'.