Donald vs Hillary

bush_cheney2004 · July 26, 2016

So you got nothing either.

I gots arrests, prosecutions, convictions and sentences...because of email.

TimG · July 26, 2016

Nope. You had one military person who took a picture where he specifically was forbidden to take pictures, one military officer who deliberately leaked information to his mistress, and a former CIA director who was never charged with anything.

Clinton setup of a private email server in direct violation of the workplace regulations. Her situation is no different from the naval photographer. Petraeus denied he intended to leak anything but accepted a plea deal where he only admitted to mishandling classified information which is all Clinton is accused of. The last guy was "pardoned" by Clinton. People don't get pardons unless they were in legal jeopardy. Clinton does not need a pardon because the FBI said she did nothing wrong despite previous prosecutions. Edited July 26, 2016 by TimG

Argus · July 26, 2016

I gots arrests, prosecutions, convictions and sentences...because of email.

Let's hear em.

Argus · July 26, 2016

Clinton setup of a private email server in direct violation of the workplace regulations. Her situation is no different from the naval photographer.

Oh give me a break. We both know rules are a lot different when you're in the military. For one thing, you can be prosecuted for telling your boss to F off or refusing an order. Civilians do not operate under that sort of system. You don't get criminally charged for violating workplace regulations.

Petraeus denied he intended to leak anything

He deliberately handed classified information to someone not cleared for it. Nothing like Clinton.

The last guy was "pardoned" by Clinton. People don't get pardons unless they were in legal jeopardy.

He was still never charged. And it still wasn't over email.

Edited July 26, 2016 by Argus

TimG · July 26, 2016

Oh give me a break. We both know rules are a lot different when you're in the military.

The rules are also different for employees handing top secret information. At minimum employees who do what Clinton did would be fired and prohibited from any job that requires that clearance. Yet she faced no consequences. The double standard is there.

betsy · July 26, 2016

I am more a Hillary fan than Trumps but that is because of Trump.

I do not understand why people are getting all upset about how these folks run their Conventions. They are not governed by any laws but by their own rules. Political parties are not an arm of the government or of the military or of any "official" representative organization.

They are a bunch of folks who got together decided that it would be easy to elect people who think like them if they organized and spent their money efficiently. They have no obligation to the public. They may have some obligation to people who have registered as members of that political party but even those who have registered are not obligated to support the parties choice.

These folks can do what they want, how they want short of doing something illegal - against the laws of the country not the rules they have come up with.

Who's getting upset? I hope you don't mean me.

I also loved the drama of the Republican Convention, btw....

........and especially loved the irony when Hillary mocked the kind of unity the Republicans have!

Who's laughing now?

Edited July 26, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 26, 2016

Apparently you don't know much about Christianity.

Compared to Hillary, Trump is a saint!

betsy · July 26, 2016

Oh give me a break. We both know rules are a lot different when you're in the military. For one thing, you can be prosecuted for telling your boss to F off or refusing an order. Civilians do not operate under that sort of system. You don't get criminally charged for violating workplace regulations.

He deliberately handed classified information to someone not cleared for it. Nothing like Clinton.

Negligence, to say the least, Argus. It's about CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.

Petreaus was only a general.....on the other hand, Hillary was the Secretary of State.

A certain kind of serious responsibility comes with that title.

Then there's the issue of Bill Clinton meeting with the AG, the day before Hillary's FBI interview.

He was still never charged.

He was charged. He pleaded guilty.

Gen. David Petraeus pleaded guilty Tuesday to one federal charge of removing and retaining classified information as part of a plea deal, court documents show.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/03/politics/general-david-petraeus-guilty-charges/index.html

And it still wasn't over email.

Email was not the issue. Sensitive materials - classified information - that may have been compromised, is the issue.

That's the same with Petreaus'.

With Hillary, it involves the use of her private email.

Edited July 26, 2016 by betsy

BubberMiley · July 26, 2016

Petreaus was only a general.....on the other hand, Hillary was the Secretary of State.

A certain kind of serious responsibility comes with that title.

Petraeus was Director of the CIA. A certain kind of serious responsibility also comes with that title. :lol:

Argus · July 26, 2016

The rules are also different for employees handing top secret information. At minimum employees who do what Clinton did would be fired and prohibited from any job that requires that clearance. Yet she faced no consequences. The double standard is there.

Gee, this the first you've heard there's a double standard between the employees and the employer?

You think our MPs have to abide by the same kind of rules and regulations that public servants do? Just to start with, you can't be in any management position in Ottawa without fluent bilingualism. Yet you can be a cabinet minister. And you can be suspended or even fired for sending jokes on your email account. Guess when that'll happen to a cabinet minister or MP? About when hell freezes over.

Argus · July 26, 2016

Compared to Hillary, Trump is a saint!

Really? Why? I guarantee you Trump has never read the bible and has no intention of doing so. Why do you think Clinton is worse than him? Give us some examples.

GostHacked · July 26, 2016

Really? Why? I guarantee you Trump has never read the bible and has no intention of doing so. Why do you think Clinton is worse than him? Give us some examples.

Whitewater, Benghazi, alleged coverup of drug running, using the Clinton Foundation as a resource for campaign spending, shady happenings over at Rose Law Firm in regards to the Bill Clinton presidential campaign, criminal activity in the use of personal email server for secret government correspondence.

That's just off the top of my head .. So, let's see how much you can come up with for Trump off the top of your head.

Argus · July 26, 2016

Whitewater, Benghazi, alleged coverup of drug running, using the Clinton Foundation as a resource for campaign spending, shady happenings over at Rose Law Firm in regards to the Bill Clinton presidential campaign, criminal activity in the use of personal email server for secret government correspondence.

That's just off the top of my head .. So, let's see how much you can come up with for Trump off the top of your head.

Banghazi was a big nothing, same for Rose Law. You have rumours about the Clinton Foundation and nothing more. Whitewater involved a guy alleging Bill Clinton pressured a bank into giving someone a loan but he had no evidence.

And that's it!? Geeze, I haven't paid a ton of attention to her background and all the suggestions about how dishonest she was but I thought there was more to it than sleazy Republican character assassination with little or no evidence!

Compared to Trump's dad being in the KKK, and he and his dad being repeatedly sued by the justice department for refusing to rent apartments to Black people - which is proven, I think you got pretty much a big fat zero. Trump's repeated allegations and insinuations that Obama wasn't an American reinforce his history of racism, even without going into statements from past employees. Trump's multiple bankruptcies testify to his incompetence at managing a business. His multiple and open adultery against his first two wives (he once even brought his mistress to a public event and sat her at the same table as his wife to humiliate her) are well-known and testify to his lack of moral character. As do his notorious lies about every single aspect of his life and history. As does his being a swaggering braggart with a thin skin who uses the courts as a weapon to bully anyone who says anything he doesn't like. As does his admitted repeated dealings with and cozy relationship with a variety of mob figures. Do we want to get into the fraud charges over his phony university?

Edited July 26, 2016 by Argus

betsy · July 26, 2016

Petraeus was Director of the CIA. A certain kind of serious responsibility also comes with that title.

Who says it doesn't? I'm talking about the Secretary of State.

betsy · July 26, 2016

Really? Why? I guarantee you Trump has never read the bible and has no intention of doing so. Why do you think Clinton is worse than him? Give us some examples.

How can you guarantee Trump never read the Bible? You even know of his intentions? Only God knows what's in his heart,

his motives. It's not for me, nor for you, to say whether he's a Christian or not.

You're talking with your emotions, Argus.

Edited July 26, 2016 by betsy

cybercoma · July 26, 2016

Oh give me a break. We both know rules are a lot different when you're in the military. For one thing, you can be prosecuted for telling your boss to F off or refusing an order. Civilians do not operate under that sort of system. You don't get criminally charged for violating workplace regulations.

Though you have me on ignore, maybe you'll view this post. That's not true. If you work for Statistics Canada you can be charged for mishandling data confidentiality.

The_Squid · July 27, 2016

How can you guarantee Trump never read the Bible? You even know of his intentions? Only God knows what's in his heart,

his motives. It's not for me, nor for you, to say whether he's a Christian or not.

You're talking with your emotions, Argus.

It's funny how you pass a blind eye to Trump's moral transgressions.... Yet have serious issues with the Clintons' moral transgressions.

TimG · July 27, 2016

Gee, this the first you've heard there's a double standard between the employees and the employer?

So now you are agreeing that there is a double standard. I guess that is good because that was my point all along.

But you also need to remember that the reason Clinton set up the email server was she wanted to evade the FOI laws and, as a result of her deliberate attempt to evade the law, she inadvertently mishandled secret documents. So you could argue that her offense under the official secrets act was minor but intentionally avoiding the FOIA should be a much bigger deal than it is otherwise the act is meaningless.

Edited July 27, 2016 by TimG

betsy · July 27, 2016

It's funny how you pass a blind eye to Trump's moral transgressions.... Yet have serious issues with the Clintons' moral transgressions.

We've experienced the Clintons already!

Remember the drama of impeachment? And all the fall out that came with it?

A lot of skeleton in their closets that's fit for a nail-biting political thriller!

We've already seen Hillary's performance in politics! Her lies! Her drama with emails!

And I don't like her platform, and what she stands for.

Out with the Clintons! The USA needs CHANGE! REAL change!

This is funny!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbEFMzM0yXc

Edited July 27, 2016 by betsy

betsy · July 27, 2016

Look who's endorsing Trump!

Why Obama’s half-brother says he’ll be voting for Donald Trump
Obama, 58, a longtime Democrat, said his “deep disappointment” in his brother Barack’s administration has led him to recently switch allegiance to “the party of Lincoln.”

The last straw, he said, came earlier this month when FBI Director James Comey recommended not prosecuting Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton over her use of a private e-mail servers while secretary of state.

“She should have known better as the custodian of classified information,” said Obama.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-obamas-half-brother-says-hell-be-voting-for-donald-trump/

Justice system is also rigged for Hillary!

Edited July 27, 2016 by betsy

BubberMiley · July 27, 2016

Who says it doesn't?

When you said he was "just a general" (which didn't make sense to begin with), you made it clear you were unaware that he actually stepped down from his position as Director of the CIA.

Big Guy · July 27, 2016

Bernie just asked that the vote for Clinton be considered unanimous - cheered by the vast majority - it passed

Democrats united.

BC_chick · July 27, 2016

Well she was. Bernie's policy platform was complete nonsense. Not much better than Trump's (Trump and Bernie attract the same group of voters). Are you saying they should not speak the truth in the name of "neutrality"?

For sure! Why even bother putting on the farce like primary and delegates and voters.

Next time just scrap the whole 'neutrality charade' and just appoint candidates.

Why should the will of the people actually voting remain untainted and free of bias when TimG clearly believes a candidate 'ridiculous'.

Edited July 27, 2016 by BC_chick