Donald vs Hillary

kimmy · July 25, 2016

They are individuals. You cant expect every individual at the DNC to be neutral any more than the people at the RNC were neutral. Do you honestly think if we couldn't hack into their emails we wouldn't find far worse as they tried to stop Trump from winning?

The DNC has no obligation to be neutral towards Trump. They did have an obligation to be neutral in the Democratic primary process. This is comparable to catching NHL referees discussing ways to help one team win.

-k

Argus · July 25, 2016

The DNC has no obligation to be neutral towards Trump. They did have an obligation to be neutral in the Democratic primary process. This is comparable to catching NHL referees discussing ways to help one team win.

-k

Referees are hockey fans. As such they have their preferences, too. The question is whether they make bad calls to influence the game, and I haven't seen anything in these emails indicating the 'refs' made different calls to influence the game.

Boges · July 25, 2016

5 point lead for Trump

:lol:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

Smallc · July 25, 2016

I will be very surprised if he doesn't win.

Icebound · July 25, 2016

I will be very surprised if he doesn't win.

There are only 2 reasons why Clinton is hated:

1.... she has been around a long time: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/its-hillary-clintons-moment-so-why-is-she-the-most-hated-woman-in-the-united-states

Lots of politicians have engaged in forgotten promises, dirty tricks, questionable legality, political massaging of truth, and so on.... In between, they may even have done some good for the country..... But after 4 or 8 years, they disappear and we forget.

But Clinton has been around for 25 years, and is "still here".

and number 2.:

She is a woman.

http://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/research/research-output/social-and-behavioural-sciences/tromble-and-hovy-how-much-sexism-clinton-faces

...research quoted in: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/02/24/these-6-charts-show-how-much-sexism-hillary-clinton-faces-on-twitter/

This is going to be a very interesting race: Based on the above, are Americans really ready to elect a woman to president?

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Edited July 25, 2016 by Icebound

bush_cheney2004 · July 25, 2016

...This is going to be a very interesting race: Based on the above, are Americans really ready to elect a woman to president?

Yes, but not THAT woman.

TimG · July 25, 2016

She is a woman.

Clinton's gender is irrelevant to most voters. If anything the number of voters picking her simply because she is a woman far exceeds the number number who reject her for the same reason (aside: every public figure is abused on twitter so such analyses don't mean much).

Clinton numbers started to go down once the email controversy started. If she had simply fessed up immediately and apologized she would have limited the damage. Instead we see this spectacle of democrats pressuring the FBI to refuse to lay changes.

Icebound · July 25, 2016

Yes, but not THAT woman.

Uh-huh.....

....then WHICH woman?

No matter how many names can be put forward, my personal bet would be that pretty much none of them would reach a 50% approval rating across the country.... and actually: any Canadian woman put forth in Canada would have similar difficulty.

No matter how qualified they might be, reasons will be found not to support them fully....

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betsy · July 25, 2016

5 point lead for Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

Hurray!

Hillary's headaches may just be starting: Clinton's ratings on these same measures took a hit, though in most cases her drop-off was not quite as large as Trump's gain. Perhaps most troubling for the Clinton supporters gathering in Philadelphia this week: 68% now say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, her worst rating on that measure in CNN/ORC polling.

Other winners from the recent poll include Melania Trump and Mike Pence. Favorability ratings for Melania climbed from 27% pre-convention to 43% post-convention, despite the controversy surrounding her convention speech.

Vice Presidential nominee Mike Pence also got a bump with his favorability rating up to 39% post-convention vs. 26% pre-convention.

Ted Cruz takes home the prize of biggest loser with favorability ratings for the former White House hopeful falling from 60% pre-convention to just 33% in the latest poll.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-25/hillary-gets-trumped-cruz-gets-dumped

The wikileaks emails, and accusing Russia of hacking to support Trump will backfire.

TimG · July 25, 2016

my personal bet would be that pretty much none of them would reach a 50% approval rating across the country

My personal bet is you find it hard to find a man with 50% approval rating across the country. You have to stop looking at stats in isolation.

betsy · July 25, 2016

This is going to be a very interesting race: Based on the above, are Americans really ready to elect a woman to president?

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I won't be surprised if the first woman president will be.......another Trump!

Twitter Wants Ivanka Trump to Run for President After RNC Speech: Reactions!

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/twitter-wants-ivanka-trump-to-run-for-president-after-rnc-speech-w430455

Icebound · July 25, 2016

Hurray!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-25/hillary-gets-trumped-cruz-gets-dumped

The wikileaks emails, and accusing Russia of hacking to support Trump will backfire.

Is it not interesting that "...accusing Russia of hacking to support Trump".... will backfire....

...but blanket accusations of Mexicans and Muslims, and blanket slurs of women will not?

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capricorn · July 25, 2016

I will be very surprised if he doesn't win.

Same here. Although I think it will be by a small margin.

betsy · July 25, 2016

Is it not interesting that "...accusing Russia of hacking to support Trump".... will backfire....

...but blanket accusations of Mexicans and Muslims, and blanket slurs of women will not?

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When did Trump start saying those controversial speeches about Mexicans and Muslims? A year ago!

And? What happened after that? He won the Primary! He became the nominee. He's practically saying the same thing even yesterday at Meet The Press!

Now, look at the polls today!

Does it looks like they are backfiring at all?

Edited July 25, 2016 by betsy

Icebound · July 25, 2016

When did Trump start saying those controversial speeches about Mexicans and Muslims? A year ago!

And? What happened after that? He won the Primary! He became the nominee. He's practically saying the same thing even yesterday at Meet The Press!

Now, look at the polls today!

Does it looks like they are backfiring at all?

That IS my point exactly.

So why SHOULD he get away with it..... and yet Democrats "blaming Russia" (which is probably TRUE) will backfire????

What is the logic behind that? Or is it that there is NO logic?

BubberMiley · July 25, 2016

Same here. Although I think it will be by a small margin.

There'll be nothing wrong with the size of his margin. If his margin is small, something else must be small. I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee.

Smallc · July 25, 2016

Same here. Although I think it will be by a small margin.

Maybe it's too early - but I'm usually good at this. i predicted the outcomes in BC, Ontario, Manitoba, and Ottawa. The mood is for Trump, just as the mood was for Trudeau. There is a long time though, and time can change things.

Smallc · July 25, 2016

That IS my point exactly.

So why SHOULD he get away with it..... and yet Democrats "blaming Russia" (which is probably TRUE) will backfire?????

It will definitely backfire. People don't care about details right now.

Hal 9000 · July 25, 2016

Uh-huh.....

....then WHICH woman?

No matter how many names can be put forward, my personal bet would be that pretty much none of them would reach a 50% approval rating across the country.... and actually: any Canadian woman put forth in Canada would have similar difficulty.

No matter how qualified they might be, reasons will be found not to support them fully....

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There is not a male politician alive who would still be standing given the same baggage as Hillary comes with. No chance! This is completely about electing the first woman president and many people in the DNC and press/media will do whatever it takes to get that and many voters will overlook everything in order to ensure it happens too.

Argus · July 25, 2016

Clinton numbers started to go down once the email controversy started. If she had simply fessed up immediately and apologized she would have limited the damage. Instead we see this spectacle of democrats pressuring the FBI to refuse to lay changes.

Which democrats pressured the FBI to refuse to lay charges?

Also, how many civilians have been criminally prosecuted for careless use of email since the invention of email? Any at all?

Argus · July 25, 2016

Hurray!

Because a serial adulterer who cheats, lies and steals, and believes in abortion rights is the kind of man a good Christian would want in the White House?

TimG · July 25, 2016

Also, how many civilians have been criminally prosecuted for careless use of email since the invention of email? Any at all?

More than you would think: http://usuncut.com/politics/clinton-email-secrecy-double-standard/

Just last month, Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier plead guilty to taking cellphone pictures inside a classified engine room on a nuclear sub, and while no public suggestion has been made that he ever planned to disclose the photos to anyone outside the Navy, he could face up to thirty years in prison, though the prosecution will likely pursue a shorter sentence.

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Retired four-star General David Petraeus pleaded guilty to leaking classified information to his mistress and biographer and only received two years probation

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former central intelligence director John Deutch was pardoned in one of the last acts of Bill Clintons administration for mishandling secret information on his home computer.

While the last 2 got lenient sentences their careers were ruined.

I want to see Clinton win because she is the most sane of the available alternatives. But there is no point defending her when she does not deserve to be defended.

Edited July 25, 2016 by TimG

bush_cheney2004 · July 25, 2016

...Also, how many civilians have been criminally prosecuted for careless use of email since the invention of email? Any at all?

Several...see anti Spam law(s) and prosecutions.

kimmy · July 26, 2016

Regarding this "the Russians!" thing the Democrats keep saying in response to the email leaks, I think RNC chairman Rince Priebus said it best: "The Russians didn't write those emails." Rince is a dumb-ass, but he nailed it. Regardless who leaked the emails, we know who wrote them.

To Argus, regarding the issue of whether the accusations against the DNC executive are serious:

“You have to be neutral and if I found out my staff had written those kinds of emails where they were denigrating his religion, I would have fired them right on the spot It’s just outrageous. You have to be neutral and if you can’t be neutral you can’t be in that job.”

-Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe, long-time Clinton ally and 2004 DNC chairman.

"Myself and other Democrats who were Clinton supporters, we have been saying this was serious. It truly violates what the DNC’s proper role should be. The DNC did something incredibly inappropriate here."

-former Pennsylvania governor, former DNC chairman, and Clinton ally Edward Rendell.

(both quotes from here.)

-k

WestCoastRunner · July 26, 2016

Regarding this "the Russians!" thing the Democrats keep saying in response to the email leaks, I think RNC chairman Rince Priebus said it best: "The Russians didn't write those emails." Rince is a dumb-ass, but he nailed it. Regardless who leaked the emails, we know who wrote them.

To Argus, regarding the issue of whether the accusations against the DNC executive are serious:

You have to be neutral and if I found out my staff had written those kinds of emails where they were denigrating his religion, I would have fired them right on the spot Its just outrageous. You have to be neutral and if you cant be neutral you cant be in that job.

-Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe, long-time Clinton ally and 2004 DNC chairman.

"Myself and other Democrats who were Clinton supporters, we have been saying this was serious. It truly violates what the DNCs proper role should be. The DNC did something incredibly inappropriate here."

-former Pennsylvania governor, former DNC chairman, and Clinton ally Edward Rendell.

(both quotes from here.)

-k

Everyone knew she was biased towards Hillary. It was very public. I don't get the up in arms bs.