Donald vs Hillary

The_Squid · October 20, 2016

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

They call themselves Zionists, the biggest pro-globalists elite around.

Do any of them have names? Name a couple!! Or is this just a boogeyman?

Argus · October 20, 2016

3 hours ago, Cum Laude said:

What do you think of Joey Biden?

I think he never made a point of wandering into the changing rooms of teenage girls.

Argus · October 20, 2016

55 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Do any of them have names? Name a couple!! Or is this just a boogeyman?

Donald Trump. He loves Israel. Says so all the time.

Argus · October 20, 2016

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

So now we can add Muslims to the list along with Catholics, southerners, and "needy Latinos".

Yeah, she hates Catholics. That's why she named one as her running mate.

?Impact · October 20, 2016

38 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yeah, she hates Catholics. That's why she named one as her running mate.

Just her token Mackerel Snapper.

?Impact · October 20, 2016

Fact checkers have already came out on the statement Clinton made about Trump saying Japan should get its own nuclear weapons. He called Hilary a liar, but as it turns out (drum roll please), Trump is the big liar.

Here is what he said in an interview last spring with none other than tonights debate moderator Chris Wallace

Trump: So, North Korea has nukes. Japan has a problem with that. I mean, they have a big problem with that. Maybe they would in fact be better off if they defend themselves from North Korea.

Wallace: With nukes?

Trump: Including with nukes, yes, including with nukes

kimmy · October 20, 2016

I don't think there was a clear winner in the debate tonight. Not enough to make a difference either way.

Trump got in a few zingers on Hillary's record in Syria, Haiti, and with with the alleged dirty tricks video going around. Hillary hit Trump with some shots regarding his record with women, his nutty economic ideas, and the nukes. Trump needed some kind of game-changer, and he didn't get it.

I think probably the biggest event of the debate was Trump's response to the question of whether he would accept the results of the election, and he went back to his "it's rigged" whining, which isn't a winner for him. He wants to project this tough-guy image, and whining is at odds with what he's pitching. Although, the line of the night was probably when Hillary mocked him for tweeting that the Emmy awards were rigged 3 years in a row, and he quipped "should have won".

-k

?Impact · October 20, 2016

20 minutes ago, kimmy said:

I don't think there was a clear winner in the debate tonight. Not enough to make a difference either way.

Agreed. While I think Clinton appeared more "Presidential" and Trump still a little childish, I think the expectations of him were so low that he may actually gain a bit from this debate because it wasn't the disaster for him that the others were.

Hal 9000 · October 20, 2016

1 hour ago, kimmy said:

I don't think there was a clear winner in the debate tonight. Not enough to make a difference either way.

Trump got in a few zingers on Hillary's record in Syria, Haiti, and with with the alleged dirty tricks video going around. Hillary hit Trump with some shots regarding his record with women, his nutty economic ideas, and the nukes. Trump needed some kind of game-changer, and he didn't get it.

I think probably the biggest event of the debate was Trump's response to the question of whether he would accept the results of the election, and he went back to his "it's rigged" whining, which isn't a winner for him. He wants to project this tough-guy image, and whining is at odds with what he's pitching. Although, the line of the night was probably when Hillary mocked him for tweeting that the Emmy awards were rigged 3 years in a row, and he quipped "should have won".

-k

Yeah, that's what we're told.

Anyway, why no talk about Hillary and her suggestion about going to war with Russia...over a despot fighting some terrorist groups? And why no talk about Trump's idea that Iran would end up with control over Iraq?

You people are all the same people who laughed when Romney said to beware of Russia.

betsy · October 20, 2016

Hillary never answered the question about (wikileaks) donors to her Clinton Foundation. She evaded it.

It was a missed opportunity. Trump was getting in her skin, too. She looked tensed around the mouth - gone was the smiley Hill in recent debates.

Hillary, surprisingly, was "unruly" last night....with her interruptions and outright rudeness at talking over Trump. To me, it's an indication of Hill losing her cool. For her to have behaved as such makes me think that her lead in the polls may not be that accurate after all. It's probably true.....it is a tight race.

She ignored the moderator's call for her to let Trump talk. At one point, Trump said, "my turn."

One thing that amazes me is the stamina of Trump. He campaigned vigorously until the last minute, and still looked quite well on tv. Hillary stayed away from the campaign trail for the last two days before the election.

During the debate, I was distracted by Hillary's eyes. She kept looking down like as if she was reading or closing her eyes, as she spoke. It happened much more than her looking up. Looking closely at her eyes , at times I did see her eyes seem to be "wandering" as pointed out about her health problem in a youtube video.

Maybe, looking down most of the time, makes it not too noticeable.

As for Trump's refusal to answer if he'll accept the result.....it's a tough question to answer. If he says, yes, that means he'll have to go back on that word should there be any indication or question of voters fraud. It will even be hard for him to demand a recount. I remember the Al Gore-George Bush controversy after the election, when they did a recount. Trump gave the best answer he can give, "I'll answer it when we get there," though that clip will be used on attack ads.

The controversy began on election night, when the national television networks, using information provided to them by the Voter News Service, an organization formed by the Associated Press to help determine the outcome of the election through early result tallies and exit polling, first called Florida for Gore in the hour after polls closed in the eastern peninsula (which is in the Eastern time zone) but before they had closed in the heavily Republican counties of the western panhandle (which is in the Central time zone). Once the polls had closed in the panhandle, the networks reversed their call, giving it to Bush; then they retracted that call as well, finally indicating the state was "too close to call".^[2] Gore phoned Bush the night of the election to concede, then retracted his concession after learning how close the election was.^[3] Bush won the election-night vote count in Florida by 1,784 votes. The small margin produced an automatic recount under Florida state law. Once it became clear that Florida would decide the presidential election, the nation's attention focused on the recount.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount

I like the moderator though. Unlike the first two debates, he was fair.

Edited October 20, 2016 by betsy

?Impact · October 20, 2016

“[Hillary Clinton] is a great woman, a smart woman, a nice person, and an effective politician. I think her history is far from being over, I think she is going to go down at a minimum as a great senator. I think she is a great wife to a president. And I think Bill Clinton was a great president. You know, you look at the country then, The economy was doing great. Look at what happened during the Clinton years. I mean we had no war, the economy was doing great, everybody was happy.” -- Donald Trump - 2008

“nasty woman” -- Donald Trump - 2016

“the eyes ... stamina ... Benghazi ... emails” == Betsy - 2016

Topaz · October 20, 2016

When Trump hit close to home for Hillary, she smiles and I noticed by her facial expression, she wasn't happy with what Trump was saying and so she came back at him. Hillary also didn't say anything about Bill's treatment of women after the moderator started on Trump first, she changed the subject. I won't be surprised if Hillary wins but she did break the law and if certain voters get upset with her winning, its because they know there is a double standard for certain people. The USA is in a mess at home and around the world.

cybercoma · October 20, 2016

40 minutes ago, Topaz said:

When Trump hit close to home for she did break the law

She did? You mean the FBI doesn't know the law?

GostHacked · October 20, 2016

12 hours ago, The_Squid said:

Can you name a "globalist elite"?

HiIllary Clinton

Wilber · October 20, 2016

Watched Colbert after the debate last night. While he is certainly no Trump supporter, he has alway used comedy to express his views. I have never seen him genuinely enraged, but Trumps statement about waiting to see whether he would accept the result of the election finally did it.

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“Oh, Suspense!” Colbert cried in mock excitement. “Democracy is going to end with a cliffhanger! I guess we’re all going to have to wait until November 9 to see if we still have a democracy, to see if Donald Trump is in the mood for a peaceful transfer of power, or if he’s going to wipe his fat ass with the Constitution.”

Trump may have nailed shut his campaign coffin. By any sane standard, this certainly should.

BubberMiley · October 20, 2016

It's curious that he would be compelled to lie and say he has never met Putin. He has on numerous occasions. He's even bragged about it.

But I guess if his only defence is "No, you're the puppet!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2924&v=dKkKQmbyECw

?Impact · October 20, 2016

29 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

He's even bragged about it.

Trump lives in a locker room.

Rue · October 20, 2016

4 hours ago, Topaz said:

When Trump hit close to home for Hillary, she smiles and I noticed by her facial expression, she wasn't happy with what Trump was saying and so she came back at him. Hillary also didn't say anything about Bill's treatment of women after the moderator started on Trump first, she changed the subject. I won't be surprised if Hillary wins but she did break the law and if certain voters get upset with her winning, its because they know there is a double standard for certain people. The USA is in a mess at home and around the world.

Look I am no fan of her. I have ranted about her dishonesty and attacks on women harassed by her husband. I think she is a cold, calculating, ruthless politiciian.

She's no saint. She oozes cold blooded killer pathology. That said, I wasa disgusted with Trump yesterday. As far as I am concerned he is a very sick man.

She was correct in stating his pattern of calling everything rigged when it does not go his way.

She was correct in stating his pattern of abusive behaviour speaks for itself. He then showed it. To go on national t.v. and interupt her not once but twice calling her a nasty woman is as childish as it gets. So did the constant childish interruptions. He shows what he is a narcissist bully-an abusive bully who believes is his way or no way.

That indicates a personality disorder to such degree that you know he will not be able to delegate authority and take guidance from others.

He lives in a fantasy world. He stood up on stage bragging about how he runs his businesses. 6 banruptcies and he calls this his expertise to run the country?

The denials about his bad behaviour with women..not even an acknowledgement he is gruff sand his macho bravado could have been inappropriate and some humility? Not an ounce. This man is so fragile, so screwed up he can't show strength by admitting weakness and that in a nut shell is a screaming weakness.

I don't like her and never will but given the choice of the two and under the circumstances yesterday, she had to hold her own and did just that.

She put him in his place. The nasty woman reference is classic. He whined like a castrated man who couldn't have his way with a woman.

I have no time of day for men like him. They are the kind of idiots that get you killed on the front lines. They have no discretion, no filter, no pause button-they fly by the seat of their bravado and get men and women in their units killed. His trying to raise Patton and McArthur as his heroes says it all.

They didn't win the war. Quiet controlled men like Eisenhower and Bradley did. True men in power are anything but braggarts. They are unasuming.

Many people think Churchill was full of bravado. Only for his speeches to pep up the public for morale. When the doors were closed he could yell but he damn well showed peace, calm, focus, respect to foot soldiers and nay personnel. True officers don't belittle anyone. They keep their mouths shut and know the time to speak up and shut up.

The irony is Hilary Clinton is more of a traditional male than Trump. That's what has him frothing. She has more balls than he does so to speak.

Her foreign policy stated last night was make no mistake, timed with the comment anout John McCain a calculated move to ask the Romney-McCain republicans to come over to her. I think they will.

The thing about Bush. Romney, McCain, is that they all had a code they didn't step over. They didn't engage in public in certain language.

I think she won over the moderate Republicans. I would like to think I am one of them if I was American because I have always been a John McCain supporter and thing Romney's foreign policy was dead on as was his handling of contentious civil rights issues in Massachusetts when he was governor and showed he could transcend partisan politics. I think she tried to appeal to that yesterday and i think it got through for two reasons-one the nasty woman comment which traditional men just don't engage in when dealing with a woman in public, and two his petulant, deranged tantrum saying he would hold his breath and turn blue, i.e., keep people in suspense over the electon results. What a petulant, spoiled, screwed up man trying to hold people hostage if they don't do what he wants.

He's just a man having a tantrum because people find him repulsive.

I also agree with Chelsea Handler, it looks like someone urinated on his head.

?Impact · October 20, 2016

It seems like someone finally got through and made him take one (of his many) feet out of his mouth. Of course this is a "major announcement", real earth shaking stuff you know, that he will actually do something normal that has been done for 240 years.

update, he tacks on "if I win". The little child crossed his fingers so he could lie like a banshee. What a friggen immature little creep. Victim #10 came forward this morning to tell her story about how Trump sexually abused her.

Edited October 20, 2016 by ?Impact

cybercoma · October 20, 2016

When Hillary wins, Mike Pence will concede for them both and that will be that.

bush_cheney2004 · October 20, 2016

When Al Gore didn't win in 2000, he refused to concede the election.....how quickly they forget.

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"The effort that I have underway is simply to make sure that all of the votes are counted, and when the issues that are now being considered in the Florida Supreme Court are decided, that will be an important point. But I don't want to speculate what the court will do."

https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-gore-refuses-concede-election-demands-recount-ensu

The_Squid · October 20, 2016

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

When Al Gore didn't win in 2000, he refused to concede the election.....how quickly they forget.

Nice spin... That election had a recount that made its way through the courts. As soon as the results were official, Gore conceded.

?Impact · October 20, 2016

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

When Al Gore didn't win in 2000, he refused to concede the election.....how quickly they forget.

There were significant difference between 2000 and 2016. The contention was in Florida, where the results were almost a tie. Nation wide, Gore (48.4%) was a half point higher than Bush (47.9%) in the popular vote. The electoral college however went to Bush because of the mandatory Florida recount. Trump isn't even close in any category. Can you imagine if he wins the popular vote and lose the electoral college? Trump is the child that would push the nuclear button on such an occurrence.

bush_cheney2004 · October 20, 2016

No, Gore bitched and whined about voter fraud, recounts, disenfranchisement, and anything else to justify not accepting the correct outcome in Florida. Gore also failed to request recounts as required by state law.

Please try to have some historical context when ogling America so much.

Edited October 20, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

bush_cheney2004 · October 20, 2016

6 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

There were significant difference between 2000 and 2016. The contention was in Florida, where the results were almost a tie. Nation wide, Gore (48.4%) was a half point higher than Bush (47.9%) in the popular vote. The electoral college however went to Bush because of the mandatory Florida recount. Trump isn't even close in any category. Can you imagine if he wins the popular vote and lose the electoral college?

Then why can't he rant and rave just like Al Gore did ? Bush's victory was confirmed by mandated Florida recounts and subsequent recounts.

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Trump is the child that would push the nuclear button on such an occurrence.

So it would be better if a non-child pushed the "nuclear button" ? Nuclear weapons exist for a reason, and they will be used when required, regardless of Trump.

Just ask the Empire of Japan.