Smoke Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Well, we have a tradition of accepting extenuating circumstances in our laws and there's no excuse for eschewing this tradition and slagging it by referring to it as a process for justifying bad behaviour. Our laws also have a tradition of incorporating forgiveness and the moral insights derived from putting ourselves in another's shoes and then doing unto other's as we'd have done to us but I don't see much if any of that in your posts either. Unless you're a right winger....then hang the bastard without a trial! Quote
PIK Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Posted January 7, 2016 People still back the terrorist against our own. Pathetic. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
GostHacked Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 People still back the terrorist against our own. Pathetic. The government made the big arms deal with Saudi Arabia. The government is working against our own. Quote
Argus Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 However, that seems to be what the reaction of German police and German media was to this. Germany's public broadcaster ZDF today apologized for failing to report the story. Cologne's police had initially reported a peaceful and incident-free New Year's Eve and didn't fess up until the story blew up. There have been a number of accusations directed at Swedish and British media for glossing over such things, as well, or failing to report them at all. We do the same sort of thing here, of course. Police are instructed not to gather statistics on arrests by race or ethnicity, and the media generally will not report a criminal or suspect's race or ethnicity if they can possibly avoid it. A few years back when swarmings were so popular in parts of Ottawa, always featuring gangs of Somalis, the media did backflips to avoid mentioning the color, race or ethnicity of the attackers. "Gangs of youths" were the problem, you see. I recall a couple of years back Macleans did an article on the shootings in Toronto, which were fairly plentiful at the time, and they interviewed the (black) chief of police of Los Angeles. He got right to the point and asked what were the backgrounds of the gangs involved. The reporter mentioned they were almost all Jamaican, but that 'we don't like to mention that sort of thing'. He said you had to mention it, had to address it, had to focus your prevention efforts both by police and community and social services in order to get a handle on it. Ignoring that aspect of the origin of crime never works. But progressives cringe from the thought of accusing anyone not white of anything whatsoever. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 This is exactly what people like Kimmey and many of us were talking about for the last couple of months about the social construct of these muslims. These guys aren't radicals, they are the moderates. They are the ones that we are letting in based on the idea that "we're all the same" and "the moderates just want to live in peace and happiness" yada yada. The problem is in the numbers, no longer can we just profess that "it's just one muslim guy", "it's an isolated event" or "even a christian will sometimes grope a woman". This is a group thought, this is what their culture feels is acceptable treatment of women or at the very least, they don't care about women and know they won't be held accountable. Could a western/christian guy grope or rape? Sure! Could even 2 or 3 gang up on woman? Sure, in rare and isolated events! But for several hundred or a thousand men to have that thought process at the same time, and the same event and even in different cities is staggering. Surely, this must prove or at least greatly support Kimmey's claim that even moderate muslims could pose serious problems to women and gays of western society. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Argus Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Surely, this must prove or at least greatly support Kimmey's claim that even moderate muslims could pose serious problems to women and gays of western society. I reject the term 'moderate' for any truly observant Muslim given, the inherent extremism of mainstream Muslim religious decrees and interpretations as compared to our western secular cultures and values. Those who believe hijabs or burquas are a requirement of women so as to not arouse men are not 'moderate'. Those who believe in Sharia law are not 'moderate'. Those who believe blasphemy or apostasy should be punished by execution are not 'moderate'. Those who believe adulterers or homosexuals should be imprisoned or even executed are not 'moderate'. Those who believe Islam should form a world-wide caliphate and rule under Islamic law are not 'moderate'. Not by our standards. I believe if you were able to count all those with the above opinions it would probably encompass three quarters of the Muslim world. Edited January 7, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PIK Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Posted January 7, 2016 The government made the big arms deal with Saudi Arabia. The government is working against our own. Well have trudeau cancel the deal. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Unless you're a right winger....then hang the bastard without a trial! Who suggested that? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 I reject the term 'moderate' for any truly observant Muslim given, the inherent extremism of mainstream Muslim religious decrees and interpretations as compared to our western secular cultures and values. Those who believe hijabs or burquas are a requirement of women so as to not arouse men are not 'moderate'. Those who believe in Sharia law are not 'moderate'. Those who believe blasphemy or apostasy should be punished by execution are not 'moderate'. Those who believe adulterers or homosexuals should be imprisoned or even executed are not 'moderate'. Those who believe Islam should form a world-wide caliphate and rule under Islamic law are not 'moderate'. Not by our standards. I believe if you were able to count all those with the above opinions it would probably encompass three quarters of the Muslim world. I should've put the word moderate in quotations. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Big Guy Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) I am convinced!! I am convinced! I am convinced!! What can Canada do? We stop immigrations and refugees and send the ones already here "back where they came from:? Gather up all the Muslims in Canada and put them into camps in Western Canada set up specially for them? Declare that all Muslims in the world have the letter M tattooed on their forheads so we can spot them? That would be about 1,200,000,000 tattoos What do we do with the one million Muslims already in Canada? - have them wear a sword pinned to their coats so that we know who they are or just deport them or maybe create camps where we ..... Put them all in a boat and let them find another country? You folks are something else. Edited January 7, 2016 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 I am convinced!! I am convinced! I am convinced!! What can Canada do? We stop immigrations and refugees and send the ones already here "back where they came from:? Gather up all the Muslims in Canada and put them into camps in Western Canada set up specially for them? Declare that all Muslims in the world have the letter M tattooed on their forheads so we can spot them? That would be about 1,200,000,000 tattoos What do we do with the one million Muslims already in Canada? - have them wear a sword pinned to their coats so that we know who they are or just deport them or maybe create camps where we ..... Put them all in a boat and let them find another country? You folks are something else. We could try doing what they've done in Denmark and try encouraging them to take courses on how to not rape women. http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151029/1029282939/denmark-migrants-rape-consent-education.html Questions like: If she has her hair uncovered, are you allowed to rape her? Yes or No! If her ankles are exposed, are you allowed to rape her? Yes or No! If she is wearing a bikini, are you allowed to rape her? Yes or No! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Anyone else remember the No Means No Campaign that raised public awareness against sexual assault about 400 years ago when we decided to be more proactive about civilizing our race and culture? Was it really that long ago it just seems like yesterday. Time flies eh? It really is amazing how far more advanced we are than the primitives we're letting in. Especially how long we've been ahead of them. Edited January 7, 2016 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 So, uhhmmm. Where's WCR in all of this. We've had a situation of 120 some odd cases of sexual abuse of women in one night by 1000 men - IN ONE NIGHT! And, she's nowhere to be found! What a shame, I was looking forward to discussing a topic that her and I could agree on. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) I am convinced!! I am convinced! I am convinced!! What can Canada do? We stop immigrations and refugees and send the ones already here "back where they came from:? Gather up all the Muslims in Canada and put them into camps in Western Canada set up specially for them? Declare that all Muslims in the world have the letter M tattooed on their forheads so we can spot them? That would be about 1,200,000,000 tattoos What do we do with the one million Muslims already in Canada? - have them wear a sword pinned to their coats so that we know who they are or just deport them or maybe create camps where we ..... Put them all in a boat and let them find another country? You folks are something else. There have not been any reports of gang sexual assaults as a result of religious bigotry or terrorism by any muslim immigrant in Canada so there is no such problem here. In Germany it appears the idiot government took up a large number of asylum seekers past year without a proper check out and now they face problems. We have an immigration system in place where we take immigrant based on a point system (based on education, skills, adoptability, age,......) and it takes years to be considered and immigrate to Canada. The system in place needs improvement but much better than Britain, France and Germany where they have problems. That said we have to be on guard and only one-sixth of immigrants should be from muslim regions (based on percent of world population) and take the best ones with best of skills and education and those already adoptable. Edited January 8, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Big Guy Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 We could try doing what they've done in Denmark and try encouraging them to take courses on how to not rape women. http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151029/1029282939/denmark-migrants-rape-consent-education.html Questions like: If she has her hair uncovered, are you allowed to rape her? Yes or No! If her ankles are exposed, are you allowed to rape her? Yes or No! If she is wearing a bikini, are you allowed to rape her? Yes or No! Uncharacteristically flippant reply. I hope that you have put far more time into your evaluation of the Muslims as a threat. I was hoping a more cognisant and thoughtful response - that is assuming that you have a solution. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Uncharacteristically flippant reply. I hope that you have put far more time into your evaluation of the Muslims as a threat. I was hoping a more cognisant and thoughtful response - that is assuming that you have a solution. I'm flippant because of where we are now, because this behaviour was predicted and fell on deaf ears. You guy's keep saying that we deserve whatever we get, I have a hard time with that concept when I see what happened on NYE. But, the europeans want to travel down that road, and surely some (if not most) of these victims, were all for allowing these people into their country and neighbourhoods - So, maybe you people are right - maybe there is some truth to getting just desserts. All I know, is that I'm not willing to give up my daughter to this behaviour in the name of guilt or because Justin saw an awful picture of a dead boy on a beach somewhere. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 Stop sniping - I am hiding these posts so you can reset. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Big Guy Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) You only hid mine. I think Big Guy is a hypocrite for describing other posters as flippant when he resorts to flippancy instead of reasoned argument all the time. Most recently in the post I mentioned. If you are going to delete posts, at least try to do it in an unbiased manner. Why are you concerned with a comment that I have made specifically to another poster? The only reason I can see is that you are looking for a confrontation and have realized that I am not interested in you. Shoo, shoo. Go away. Go find somebody else to bait. Stay on topic or stay away. Edited January 8, 2016 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hal 9000 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 It was me who was called "flippant". Yeah, it hurt somewhat, but i'm not a snitch. I just want some wholesome, maybe even heated but honest debate. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Derek 2.0 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 And Canada is back........back to being irrelevant that is: Canada has not been invited to an anti-ISIS coalition meeting this week in Paris, CBC News has learned. Defence ministers from France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, Australia and the Netherlands will join U.S. Secretary of Defence Ashton Carter on Wednesday to discuss the future of the fight against the extremist group. Canada's Minister of Defence Harjit Sajjan did not receive an invitation, his office confirmed to CBC News Network's Power & Politics. A clear indication that the Trudeau Liberals position on combating ISIS, though very aloof and confusing, is hurting us with our biggest Allies and trading partners. Defenders of the Liberals are quick to point to the actual size of our contribution in the fight against ISIS, suggesting that its token at best and wouldn't be missed, but that doesn't explain why Australia, with a similar sized effort was invited to the meeting. Others have pointed to the Liberals proposed focus on non-combat roles in support of our Allies, like the Germans are doing, but unlike the Germans, we weren't invited by the Americans and French to the meeting. Further to that, the Liberals have offered up mixed messages over increasing our effort on the ground (helping Iraqi and Kurdish forces), like Italy, that was largely on the sidelines until the Paris attacks, but have since deployed special forces alongside Americans and Kurds to defend a major Dam in Northern Iraq......but no information forthcoming on any proposed future role from the Liberal Government...... I have to feel sorry for MND Sajjan (and the men and women in the Forces currently still fighting ISIS), a very well respected military and police officer, having to defend and attempt to explain this muddled policy from the Trudeau Liberals.......Post Paris attacks, and now Canadians have been killed by Islamic terrorists in two different attacks in as many weeks overseas........and now, being snubbed by our longstanding Allies. Quote
waldo Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 I have to feel sorry for MND Sajjan (and the men and women in the Forces currently still fighting ISIS), a very well respected military and police officer, having to defend and attempt to explain this muddled policy from the Trudeau Liberals.......Post Paris attacks, and now Canadians have been killed by Islamic terrorists in two different attacks in as many weeks overseas........and now, being snubbed by our longstanding Allies. where's the policy, as you describe, "muddled"? By the by, Al Qaeda (ties) is not ISIS... does that reduce your declared snub by a 6th (since you're taking an account of attacks)? . Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Guys in ski-masks carrying AK-47s and holding Qurans. What's the difference? None. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 when the MLW member prefaces his "to irrelevance comeback" on the ISIS focused meeting you're so perplexed about (in the other thread), extending that to include a reference to a non-ISIS entity is not... complete/accurate. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 The days of folks caring about the subtle differences between this or that murderous Islamic terrorist group are quickly fading. Folks might even start siding with Israel! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
PIK Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 Geez waldo you were a little more up set about losing the eat on the security council, and now this is nothing. LOL Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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