WestCanMan Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 A study that was done (I posted the link) found that the Bible was actually a more violent book than the Quran. Clearly, something else is at work. The hadith is probably the thing you are talking about. It's Islam 101 for how to behave and it's based on the life of Mohammed. If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Sure. But the whole notion that someone is an "islamophobe" rests upon the assumption that people who dislike Islam are 'afraid' of it in an unreasonable way, or that they dislike it for unreasonable or illegitimate reasons. If we can suggest there are valid and legitimate reasons to be wary of the spread of Islam in Canada than objections to it are not unreasonable.The rules of political correctness only allow us to look down on groups that are comprised of 90% or more white males between the ages of 18 and 70. Don't you watch Oprah? If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
jacee Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Sure. But the whole notion that someone is an "islamophobe" rests upon the assumption that people who dislike Islam are 'afraid' of it in an unreasonable way, or that they dislike it for unreasonable or illegitimate reasons. If we can suggest there are valid and legitimate reasons to be wary of the spread of Islam in Canada than objections to it are not unreasonable.Imo, there are valid reasons to be wary and object to all religions.There are no reasons to discriminate against all people of one religion. Distorted versions of religions have been used to 'justify' heinous acts throughout history. It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with unstable and gullible people committing violence. .
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Imo, there are valid reasons to be wary and object to all religions. There are no reasons to discriminate against all people of one religion. Distorted versions of religions have been used to 'justify' heinous acts throughout history. It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with unstable and gullible people committing violence. . But no one is distorting THIS religion, but merely observing it in action throughout the world. There are dozens of Muslim states across the world. Are there any which value equality and diversity? Are there any which are free and democratic and protect human rights? Are there any, not to put too fine a point on it, where it is illegal to rape or beat your wife? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Agreement...Islam is being practiced as Muhammad (who some posters now claim is a made-up person...remember that) intended. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 OK, so the first sentence of your answer was not an ad hominem argument, just the last two paragraphs were (the part about me just being some paranoid ignoramus). Well, it looks like the mods deleted whatever we were talking about so it probably wasn't worth repeating. For it not to be an ad hominem argument you'd have to tackle the tough question about whether there are any areas where large muslim populations don't equate to large problems - not what you just perceive to be my own personality quirks. Yes, there are lots of areas where large muslim populations don't equate to large problems. That wasn't so tough. Right on cue, you had no bullets for the main thrust of my argument so you went after me. The main thrust of your argument is to cause loathing - of course I went after you. I repeat "every nation on earth with a large population of muslims starts running into the exact same problem". Only where we interfere to the point it drives people nuts. You can blame my ignorance for all the problems in 50 different countries if you want I'm blaming the ignoramus' who thought messing around in so many countries was a good idea. I'm blaming the likes of you for the loathing we've been piling on top of that. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) It's pretty obvious that some posters feel that folks pointing-out Islam's tendency towards violence and murder is the REAL problem. If we'd just shut-up and submit, Islam would be peaceful. Tah-daaa. It's more obvious that some posters feel that folks pointing-out western complicity in exacerbating and fuelling that tendency is the only problem. You'll have to ban free speech and disappear people to stop that. Edited December 28, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) There is. It's the insanity of the people who believe the book, not the book. The insanity was caused by the cruelty born out of our interference - if they're turning to the Koran it's because they've given up hope that anything but their God can help them now. Edited December 28, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 It's more obvious that some posters feel that folks pointing-out western complicity in exacerbating and fuelling that tendency is the only problem. You'll have to ban free speech and disappear people to stop that. Censorship and murder would be more your area of expertise. I have no experience. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Whether we "know" it or not is beside the point. The religions are based on the saying of 'prophets', real or imagined. The personality and behaviour and statements of those prophets are what guide their followers.Our interference has led them back to their prophets who they were in the process of leaving behind just as we've been leaving our's. We cocked that all up by kicking them back on their asses. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Our interference has led them back to their prophets who they were in the process of leaving behind just as we've been leaving our's. We cocked that all up by kicking them back on their asses. Poor Islam...forced to kill and kill again. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Sure. But the whole notion that someone is an "islamophobe" rests upon the assumption that people who dislike Islam are 'afraid' of it in an unreasonable way, or that they dislike it for unreasonable or illegitimate reasons. If we can suggest there are valid and legitimate reasons to be wary of the spread of Islam in Canada than objections to it are not unreasonable.The context of your notion is just another notion. Islamophobia starts from the assumption that Islamophobes are ignorant. People who leverage that ignorance to spread a loathing for muslims are even more loathsome. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Censorship and murder would be more your area of expertise. I have no experience. That was kind of weird. Could you expand on that please? I'm experienced with murder? A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PIK Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 What is worse terrorism, or people defending terrorism as something we in the west deserve. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 What is worse terrorism, or people defending terrorism as something we in the west deserve. All I know is that people who refuse to acknowledge freedom fighting when they're it's target are the bigger problem. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 The insanity was caused by the cruelty born out of our interference - if they're turning to the Koran it's because they've given up hope that anything but their God can help them now. Why do you suppose nobody but Muslims is turning to extremist religion out of their despair? Do you think the West, those people you despise so much I wonder you don't wear a hair shirt and rend your flesh out of guilt, has been singling out the Muslim world for the last fifty years or so? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Our interference has led them back to their prophets who they were in the process of leaving behind just as we've been leaving our's. We cocked that all up by kicking them back on their asses. This is nonsense born of hand-wringling liberal guilt which assumes the evil White man is responsible for all the world's ills and completely exempts anyone else of any responsibility for their actions. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Why do you suppose nobody but Muslims is turning to extremist religion out of their despair? I don't suppose that. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) This is nonsense born of hand-wringling liberal guilt which assumes the evil White man is responsible for all the world's ills and completely exempts anyone else of any responsibility for their actions. No, it's just people who are greedy for wealth and power that are responsible. Why you think the west is exempt from these sorts of people or responsibility for their actions is what's nonsensical and just plain wrong. Edited December 28, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Islamophobia starts from the assumption that Islamophobes are ignorant. See, there's your problem. The ignorance is mostly on the part of progressives, blinded by self-loathing liberal bigotry. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 All I know is that people who refuse to acknowledge freedom fighting when they're it's target are the bigger problem. ISIS are freedom fighters? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 See, there's your problem. The ignorance is mostly on the part of progressives, blinded by self-loathing liberal bigotry.What on Earth is self-loathing liberal bigotry? A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 ISIS are freedom fighters?Not at all, they're just hard boiled conservatives looking for power in the midst of the quagmire and power vacuums we created.I mean freedom fighting in the context of the general clash of civilizations were in. Much of the ME and surrounding region is fed up with chafing under our's and for good reason. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 What on Earth is self-loathing liberal bigotry? It's this mentality whereby progressives are wracked with guilt and shame for belonging to the race they regard as having subjugated all others while polluting the world, and despise it while expressing their admiration and sympathy for everyone else. All problems on earth are due to the White race, and all others are as innocent children of Eden oppressed and enslaved by the evil Europeans (Whites). It's unfortunately common around here. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Not at all, they're just hard boiled conservatives looking for power in the midst of the quagmire and power vacuums we created. I mean freedom fighting in the context of the general clash of civilizations were in. Much of the ME and surrounding region is fed up with chafing under our's and for good reason. It's interesting that the ME forces 'chafing' under our despotism are desperate for, well, not freedom, but draconian Sharia law. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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