DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Rue said: I actually produced some. The point is there are violent references and passages and peaceful ones in the Koran just like there are in the Bible. Quoting verses can be done but no one denies the Koran has violent verses just like no one denies the Bible has some violent verses. How the Koran is used is the question. I believe the point Dialamah made is not all Muslims just like not all Christians use the Koran to justify violence Surely I as a Jew am not violent because Leviticus tells me to stone homosexuals. I think that is her point. I am not sure reading out a Koranic verse and assuming it is to be read in isolation and can only be read in one way is any more helpful than when Altai tried to do the same with the Old Testament,. Abrogation of the Meccan verses in favour of those from later...after Big Mo conquered Arabia and eliminated the Jews...are a matter of history. We can pretend they matter if it makes us feel warmer and cozier about becoming subservient to Islam. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, Goddess said: You only denounce the actual violence, but make excuses for and deny the hate and beliefs that precede it. When do you denounce the kind of hateful rhetoric that led to Bissonette shooting 19 people? You do not; you support it, and agree with it. I have denounced Imams who preach hatred of Jews, here and specifically stated I think there should be legal repercussions for them. I have challenged Muslims who say women "should be" covered or that homosexuality is wrong. You don't see it here because there are no Muslims here saying that. Muslims ganging up on a girl because she is Isreali is wrong. So is slut-shaming girls into suicide by good "Canadian" kids. So is Isreali soldiers beating up an unarmed Palestinian boy, or a Muslim school teacher telling Muslim kids to hate Jews. These actions are driven by hate and intolerance and they are all wrong and I denounce them all. I also denounce the hate and intolerance I see on this forum. You asked why I couldn't see that attitudes led to actions. I could ask you the same. Do you really think that the claim that only violent Muslims are "real Muslims" helps? Its not true, but its repeated here and elsewhere as if its truth. I don't see you denouncing that, but god forbid I should say Muslims are not a homogenous group of haters and you are all over that. PIK and someone else, I forget who, essentially said that if Muslims were attacked or killed, that was not a problem for them. Didn't see you object to that, but you certainly held me to account when you thought I wished death on DoP. Consider that Argus dismissed attacks on Muslims as just minor stuff like verbal attacks and property damage, but refuses to do the same for similar attacks against Jews. Where is your condemnation for that double standard? Why am I the only one you feel obliged to call out for a double standard?
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 54 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I'm better than you, yes. Smarter, too. I don't think you are smarter than me, though I don't doubt you are better educated; most people are. If you do not accept them because mainstream Islam does not, then you cannot accept ISIS either, as they are not accepted by mainstream Islam. Yet, far from denying ISIS, you.promote their ideology as the only valid one.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, dialamah said: When do you denounce the kind of hateful rhetoric that led to Bissonette shooting 19 people? You do not; you support it, and agree with it. I have denounced Imams who preach hatred of Jews, here and specifically stated I think there should be legal repercussions for them. I have challenged Muslims who say women "should be" covered or that homosexuality is wrong. You don't see it here because there are no Muslims here saying that. Muslims ganging up on a girl because she is Isreali is wrong. So is slut-shaming girls into suicide by good "Canadian" kids. So is Isreali soldiers beating up an unarmed Palestinian boy, or a Muslim school teacher telling Muslim kids to hate Jews. These actions are driven by hate and intolerance and they are all wrong and I denounce them all. I also denounce the hate and intolerance I see on this forum. You asked why I couldn't see that attitudes led to actions. I could ask you the same. Do you really think that the claim that only violent Muslims are "real Muslims" helps? Its not true, but its repeated here and elsewhere as if its truth. I don't see you denouncing that, but god forbid I should say Muslims are not a homogenous group of haters and you are all over that. PIK and someone else, I forget who, essentially said that if Muslims were attacked or killed, that was not a problem for them. Didn't see you object to that, but you certainly held me to account when you thought I wished death on DoP. Consider that Argus dismissed attacks on Muslims as just minor stuff like verbal attacks and property damage, but refuses to do the same for similar attacks against Jews. Where is your condemnation for that double standard? Why am I the only one you feel obliged to call out for a double standard? Still something very fishy about the Quebec Mosque shooting. 1. Nothing has been heard since. 2. No interviews of survivors...especially the ones that said there were TWO gunmen. Were they lying? 3. Why did the police arrest a man giving first aide to the victims...assuming he actually was... ??? 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: I don't think you are smarter than me, though I don't doubt you are better educated; most people are. If you do not accept them because mainstream Islam does not, then you cannot accept ISIS either, as they are not accepted by mainstream Islam. Yet, far from denying ISIS, you.promote their ideology as the only valid one. I'm sure you think you're as smart as a tack. Edited October 2, 2017 by DogOnPorch 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Still something very fishy about the Quebec Mosque shooting. 1. Nothing has been heard since. 2. No interviews of survivors...especially the ones that said there were TWO gunmen. Were they lying? 3. Why did the police arrest a man giving first aide to the victims...assuming he actually was... Everything was explained at the time, so not.going to explain it again for you. Its not unusual for media to stop covering mass shootings that aren't Muslim related - as I have noted many times on this forum. Sorry you find it hard to accept facts that don't jive with your narrative.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: Everything was explained at the time, so not.going to explain it again for you. Its not unusual for media to stop covering mass shootings that aren't Muslim related - as I have noted many times on this forum. Sorry you find it hard to accept facts that don't jive with your narrative. With...respect...no it hasn't been explained how there was two shooters yelling Allahu Akbar then it was suddenly a lone 'Trump supporter'. Someone circled the wagons and put a gag on anyone telling what really happened....my opinion. Edited October 2, 2017 by DogOnPorch 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Goddess Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: When do you denounce the kind of hateful rhetoric that led to Bissonette shooting 19 people? You do not; you support it, and agree with it. I supported and agreed with Bissonette? Here? You'll have to show me where I said that. Cite please. I'll get to the rest of your accusations when you support the one above by showing the posts I have made here which agree with and support Bissonette. "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: With...respect...no it hasn't been explained how there was two shooters yelling Allahu Akbar then it was suddenly a lone 'Trump supporter'. Someone circled the wagons and put a gag on anyone telling what really happened....my opinion. You are entitled to your opinion.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Goddess said: I supported and agreed with Bissonette? Here? You'll have to show me where I said that. Cite please. I'll get to the rest of your accusations when you support the one above by showing the posts I have made here which agree with and support Bissonette. By now, even the shooter's shoe size would have been leaked-out...if it was a regular investigation. But, the media has been VERY quiet about asking any tough questions...besides...the narrative is suitable for the pro-Islamic media....a Trump supporter....beautiful. No more need be said! 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: You are entitled to your opinion. Goodness knows you're satisfied with the Government's official version of what happened...even if it doesn't match-up with what eyewitnesses reported. Trump supporter...can't ask for a better rube/patsy. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: I supported and agreed with Bissonette? Here? You'll have to show me where I said that. Cite please. I'll get to the rest of your accusations when you support the one above by showing the posts I have made here which agree with and support Bissonette. Read, carefully: When do you denounce the kind of hateful rhetoric that led to Bissonette shooting 19 people? You do not; you support it, and agree with it. In other words, you support and agree with the kind of hateful rhetoric that demonizes Muslims and leads to people like Bissonette to take action.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: Read, carefully: When do you denounce the kind of hateful rhetoric that led to Bissonette shooting 19 people? You do not; you support it, and agree with it. In other words, you support and agree with the kind of hateful rhetoric that demonizes Muslims and leads to people like Bissonette to take action. Perhaps Goddess also thinks it stinks of rotten fish. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Goodness knows you're satisfied with the Government's official version of what happened...even if it doesn't match-up with what eyewitnesses reported. Better that than buying into the paranoid ramblings of some goof on the internet.
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Perhaps Goddess also thinks it stinks of rotten fish. Maybe, but perhaps she has thoughts separate from you. We will see.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: Better that than buying into the paranoid ramblings of some goof on the internet. Soylent Green is people! 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Goddess Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: Read, carefully: When do you denounce the kind of hateful rhetoric that led to Bissonette shooting 19 people? You do not; you support it, and agree with it. In other words, you support and agree with the kind of hateful rhetoric that demonizes Muslims and leads to people like Bissonette to take action. Hmmmm.....yet you insist that Muslims do not need to denounce Islamic extremism and the fact that they are mostly silent on it should not indicate to the rest of us that they agree with or support it. In fact, you shit on anyone who suggests it would be nice if moderate Muslims spoke up more. But I'm supposed to get out my pitchfork and torch every time someone here says anything about Muslims that you feel is not flattering. Okaaaaaay...... "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Goddess said: Hmmmm.....yet you insist that Muslims do not need to denounce Islamic extremism and the fact that they are mostly silent on it should not indicate to the rest of us that they agree with or support FFS. What I say is that Muslims regularly denounce terrorism all over the place, but people in anti-Muslim mode never notice. 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: In fact, you shit on anyone who suggests it would be nice if moderate Muslims spoke up more. Really? Show me that. I notice that you still haven't denounced those on this forum who think Canadian violence against Muslims is acceptable.
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, Goddess said: But I'm supposed to get out my pitchfork and torch every time someone here says anything about Muslims that you feel is not flattering. Okaaaaaay...... Even once would be a change, especially when the "unflattering" statement is a steaming pile of horsepoo.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dialamah said: FFS. What I say is that Muslims regularly denounce terrorism all over the place, but people in anti-Muslim mode never notice. Really? Show me that. I notice that you still haven't denounced those on this forum who think Canadian violence against Muslims is acceptable. Similar to the few Germans denouncing Operation Barbarossa...what does it matter with Hitler's Panzers are busy flattening the Soviet Union? Awwww...that's sweet you hate tanks. Edited October 2, 2017 by DogOnPorch 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Even once would be a change, especially when the "unflattering" statement is a steaming pile of horsepoo. Can you point to the verses in the Quran you use to justify your opinion that Islam is a peaceful religion? 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Similar to the few Germans denouncing Operation Barbarossa...what does it matter with Hitler's Panzers are busy flattening the Soviet Union? Awwww...that's sweet you hate tanks. Too bad more Germans didn't speak out against anti-Jewish propaganda isn't it. Perhaps if they had, we wouldn't have had to endure the slaughter of millions of innocent people.
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: Too bad more Germans didn't speak out against anti-Jewish propaganda isn't it. Perhaps if they had, we wouldn't have had to endure the slaughter of millions of innocent people. It also didn't matter. Not a bit. Islam is like Nazism. Wants to rule the world and murder all the Jews. It's a very attractive religion, I understand. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Can you point to the verses in the Quran you use to justify your opinion that Islam is a peaceful religion? Can you explain to me why you reject Ahmadiyya ideology because mainstream Islam does, but accept ISIS ideology even though its rejected by mainstream Islam?
Goddess Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: Even once would be a change, especially when the "unflattering" statement is a steaming pile of horsepoo. I guess I'm just not as sensitive to it as you are. As an atheist, I'm not going to sit here and argue that their Unicorm is better than someone else's Tooth Fairy. Pretty much any unflattering statement about Muslims or their beliefs is a "steaming pile of horsepoo" to you. You have no idea what I denounce. I walked out of a class because the instructor was harrassing a Muslim girl mercilessly and I told the instructor why I was walking out. So shove over on your high horse and let me on, too. "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2017 Report Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: Can you explain to me why you reject Ahmadiyya ideology because mainstream Islam does, but accept ISIS ideology even though its rejected by mainstream Islam? As Goddess has already informed you, Mainstream Islam views your minority sect of folks who do not follow Muhammad as BAD MUSLIMS and in need of punishment. Apostates. What's Islam's penalty for Apostasy...the Quran's version? Will you have to lie or use kitman (lie by omission)???...let's see. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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