Argus Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 11 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Sadly the concept of a training course might have been a good idea, but making it voluntary defeats the purpose. This was due to politics, most likely. Really, the issue of allowing mass immigration at all is another question. I'm not in favour of it. If I were hiring employees I would want to get the best employees, not just the best that apply. The best in both cases come from Europe - according to the government itself. But we not only make no effort to recruit them we allot very few immigration visas to the offices there which can award them, in comparison to what we allot visa offices for the Middle East and Asia. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 11 hours ago, Omni said: Well perhaps we are getting somewhere, you understand there actually is a sit down and chat. You should have one with Argus. Are you saying the senate committee which called on the government to interview potential immigrants was lying? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 15 hours ago, Omni said: It is amazing how people who seem to be hard core anti immigration, can so blatantly attempt to pretend there is no screening process in place, when a quick google search shows otherwise. Anything for a phony scare tactic among that crowd it seems. If someone doesn't pass the screening process are they sent back home? I doubt it. They just don't get to pad Liberal and NDP vote rolls further. 1 Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Omni Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, jbg said: If someone doesn't pass the screening process are they sent back home? I doubt it. They just don't get to pad Liberal and NDP vote rolls further. It sounds like you are under some kind of illusion that you can vote in this country before you even get to the screening process for entry.
jbg Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, Omni said: It sounds like you are under some kind of illusion that you can vote in this country before you even get to the screening process for entry. What does that have to do with the merits of my post? And frankly I have the same question about the U.S.'s policies. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Omni Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, jbg said: What does that have to do with the merits of my post? And frankly I have the same question about the U.S.'s policies. I fail to see the merits of your post. You certainly can be deported from Canada, depending on why you didn't pass the screening, or, if you commit a criminal offence after passing it. And you can't vote until you become a citizen.
jbg Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 Just now, Omni said: I fail to see the merits of your post. You certainly can be deported from Canada, depending on why you didn't pass the screening, or, if you commit a criminal offence after passing it. And you can't vote until you become a citizen. The question is does someone who doesn't pass the screening go back home almost immediately. 1 Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Omni Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, jbg said: The question is does someone who doesn't pass the screening go back home almost immediately. As I said, it depends on why they didn't pass the screening, and whether or not they have a valid argument for a review.
jbg Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Omni said: As I said, it depends on why they didn't pass the screening, and whether or not they have a valid argument for a review. Then a screening doesn't determine whether they remain in Canada. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Omni Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, jbg said: Then a screening doesn't determine whether they remain in Canada. It could very well, depending on the outcome. That's what they are for after all.
Argus Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 22 hours ago, Omni said: It sounds like you are under some kind of illusion that you can vote in this country before you even get to the screening process for entry. You misread his statement. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 21 hours ago, Omni said: As I said, it depends on why they didn't pass the screening, and whether or not they have a valid argument for a review. The answer is no. They remain a landed immigrant, a permanent resident. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argus said: You misread his statement. I don't think so. Maybe you did.
Omni Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argus said: The answer is no. They remain a landed immigrant, a permanent resident. Sorry, it's not a no, it's merely a maybe.
Argus Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, Omni said: Sorry, it's not a no, it's merely a maybe. It IS a no. The only reason they would be removed would be if they committed a very severe crime or a series of crimes. And then they'd be removed five or six or seven years later, after all the extremely expensive legal appeals. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Omni said: I don't think so. Maybe you did. If someone doesn't pass the screening process are they sent back home? I doubt it. They just don't get to pad Liberal and NDP vote rolls further. If they don't pass the screening they just stay. They just DON'T get to pad Liberal vote rolls. What part of that do you not understand? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: further. It's that part you seem to have missed.
Argus Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Omni said: It's that part you seem to have missed. He didn't say they aren't able to 'continue to pad' the vote roles. Just that they don't get to add to the vote rolls. You seem to be using 'further' as a synonym for 'continue' and it clearly is not meant so by the context. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Argus said: He didn't say they aren't able to 'continue to pad' the vote roles. Just that they don't get to add to the vote rolls. You seem to be using 'further' as a synonym for 'continue' and it clearly is not meant so by the context. Oh, so you now you speak for him too. Does that not also come under the heading of bias? Oh and BTW, it's actually a 'comparative adverb'. Edited May 16, 2017 by Omni
taxme Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 On 5/3/2017 at 7:21 AM, drummindiver said: They are taking over. The nerve of this muslim woman to say that we are in the majority here and we soon will be in the majority on the city council one day. Imagine when they take over city council what will happen then? This is the result of multiculturalism. It breeds this kind of anarchy from minority groups, especially those who refuse to assimilate. This is coming to Canada soon but yet many here will not accept this fact that they will be kicking our Canadian butts in the near future. We see it happen in this video as to what may be in store for Canadians. But thanks to liberalism and liberals themselves this is going to become a big problem like it has already become in many western European countries where they are having a hell of a time with these muslims. Multiculturalism and it's program and agenda has to go or else this kind of anarchy is only just the beginning. Your call.
taxme Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Argus said: It IS a no. The only reason they would be removed would be if they committed a very severe crime or a series of crimes. And then they'd be removed five or six or seven years later, after all the extremely expensive legal appeals. Not only multiculturalism needs to be abolished but liberalism also. Both are wrecking the world with their communist/socialist programs and agendas. With liberals the only victims are the accused. Liberals cannot seem to understand that they are and have been brainwashed into believing that liberalism and multiculturalism is the way to peace and happiness and understanding and uniting people together. They do not unite at all. They divide and destroy all things decent and moral. How long will it be before these liberals stop smoking the politically correct pipe?
Omni Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 When I was in school we took week off for Christmas.
Rue Posted May 17, 2017 Report Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) On 2017-05-15 at 5:23 PM, jbg said: The question is does someone who doesn't pass the screening go back home almost immediately. No. That is because we have very few Immigration officers actually tracking down and deporting people once in Canada and let into the population. The federal civil service union has warned of this continuously. For that matter the vast majority of dangerous criminal offenders who might not be citizens are not deported even when caught if their crime was done elsewhere because we have a Supreme Court of Canada decision that says we do not deport any criminal if sending them home would result in inhumane hardship to them which means criminal fugitives flee to Canada to escape capital punishment in their home countries. We had one serial pedophile from Iraq who escaped Iraq and was left alone in Canada and as far as I know is walking he streets because if deported they would execute him. There are some very disturbing loopholes. For example yes we have an extradition treaty with the US for federal law criminals from the US and individual states for state criminal laws, but we won;'t deport not withstanding that act if the sentence they get in the US does not exist in Canada. In such cases we expanded the refugee definition to include criminal fugitives fleeing a criminal sentence even if guilty from another country where we do not have the equivalent sentence. So you may remember there was a case where a woman teacher statutory raped an underage male student and was given a jail term in Florida higher then she would have gotten in Canada if any. She fled to Canada and was given refugee status on the grounds we had no equivalent law in Canada and so deporting her to the US would constitute exposing her to cruel and inhumane treatment. We had a laerge debate on this forum about it. Where I argued we were wrong is that our court system did not rule she had not exhausted the appeal process in the U.S. before she came to Canada but instead fled after the initial trial level sentence. In theory her sentence could have been appealed and reduced to levels equivalent to in Canada and so in that regard I thought we were legally premature in providing her a haven. I also don't think refugee law should be used to protect fleeing criminals convicted of crimes in fellow Western democracries or from legal systems where there was no political interest involved in the decision to suggest the crime is a trumped up charge because of political or religious views or because of say gender preference. I also question whether we should be providing haven to convicted murderers in the US whose state provides the death sentence. Some strongly believe we should. If this person is guilty of murder and been convicted fairly letting them walk into Canada and go free is insane. At minimum we should put them in jail. Anyways is a thorny issue. The point getting back to this thread is our Immigration Laws on the books can not be enforced because we have insufficient amounts of enforcement officers and always have. If people knew the extent of our enforcement importence they would be very anti immigrant which again I stress is unfair. Immigrants and genuine refugees are not the issue, illegal migrants are. I argued on this board if you are serious and an economic migrant and you can't qualify the ordinary route, then you don't pose as a victim and demand benefits and get them after making a mockery of our laws and genuine immigrants and refugees waiting-you get the phack out OR you agree to go up North and volunteer for building roads and infrastructure for aboriginals and other government services until you learn and can pass an English or French fluency test and a minimum of 3 years-show you are serious anf not there to break the laws the first thing you do on entry. No free passes. You want to work for it, fine. Edited May 17, 2017 by Rue
Queenmandy85 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Posted May 17, 2017 Just out of curiosity, in 4322 replies on this thread, has anyone changed their view? I can understand responding to the initial post with a reasoned argument on one side or another and then a rebuttal. But 4322 posts saying the same thing repeatedly is clearly pythonesque. Debate should be a learning process, entered into with an open mind. A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
DogOnPorch Posted May 17, 2017 Report Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Queenmandy85 said: Just out of curiosity, in 4322 replies on this thread, has anyone changed their view? I can understand responding to the initial post with a reasoned argument on one side or another and then a rebuttal. But 4322 posts saying the same thing repeatedly is clearly pythonesque. Debate should be a learning process, entered into with an open mind. What's your end-game? Islam is merely misunderstood or what? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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