Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Yeah...I'm not a trained chimp. Try your sophomoric psych-ops elsewhere. You're adding a lot of distraction to something that was a pretty basic question. It's fine, I have it on record that you are not answering. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Let's try to pin this down: attacks happen against Muslims who haven't committed violence. Are these attacks justified to you or not ? It was a few posts back, so I'm reiterating the confusing psy-ops question here. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: It was a few posts back, so I'm reiterating the confusing psy-ops question here. I posed a non-confusing question a few hours back no one has chosen to answer. No one would find an issue with me disliking Communism or Fascism. Why, then, do so many seem to feel strong disapproval, even dislike of Islam is a moral failing? As I have pointed out before, Islam is not merely a religion. It is a political ideology complete with clear instructions on how government is to operate, the values which must be enforced and both criminal and family law. Why is disliking such an ideology condemned by so many on the Left? Why do left wing politicians rush to embrace this ideology to demonstrate their 'inclusiveness' and 'openness'? Edited May 3, 2017 by Argus 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, Argus said: Why is disliking such an ideology condemned by so many on the Left? Why do left wing politicians rush to embrace this ideology to demonstrate their 'inclusiveness' and 'openness'? Two different questions. I don't know why leftists condemn it. I think it's more mainstream than you think to accept this religion. Not just left wing politicans. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Omni Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 34 minutes ago, dialamah said: Wow, conspiracy theory in action. No way could a white right-winger have done this, right? Even though he confessed and turned himself in. Even though the 'other guy' turned out to be someone attempting to render aid and was mis-identified in the chaos of dealing with 19 wounded people and 6 dead ones. Just wow. It is actually a tad frightening how conspiracies can take flight even in the face of solid evidence to belie them.
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Omni said: It is actually a tad frightening how conspiracies can take flight even in the face of solid evidence to belie them. Everybody knows the very first thing the police do is arrest all the people giving first aid to the injured. SOP... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Everybody knows the very first thing the police do is arrest all the people giving first aid to the injured. SOP... And the next thing they do is release them when they discover what they are actually doing.
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Omni said: And the next thing they do is release them when they discover what they are actually doing. Sure thing. BTW, I have a bridge over some lovely swampland for sale. Interested? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Sure thing. BTW, I have a bridge over some lovely swampland for sale. Interested? I'm not surprised you'd have some of that. Did you buy it from a conspiracy theorist?
DogOnPorch Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Omni said: I'm not surprised you'd have some of that. Did you buy it from a conspiracy theorist? Did you get yours from your Islamic masters? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted May 3, 2017 Report Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Did you get yours from your Islamic masters? I guess you didn't look 'er up.
Guest Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I disagree. Clearly there's no way to assert with confidence that the crimes reported in the Global TV link are justified. I missed the tv link. I was referring to your reference to MLW.
Guest Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 10 hours ago, dialamah said: That's not the only defining characteristic of Islamaphobia. It's also the rhetoric of fear that Muslims are taking over and are determined to subject us all to Islam, through fair means or foul, that fuel those actions. That fear believes every hyperbolic story in the media and ignores or dismisses any suggestion or evidence that these stories aren't representative of Muslims in general. That attitude is pretty endemic on MLW. I think the general public is less Islamaphobic than the MLW population, or maybe I just hope so. It's only Islamophobia if it refers to those Muslims who do not think a society should be governed by religious law rather than secular law, and even in such a case, there is every right to state such a belief, even if wrong. Any such belief I might have is only concerned with those Muslims who do actually think people other than themselves should adher to the rules of their religion, so I'm exempt from that charge, myself.
Guest Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Let's try to pin this down: attacks happen against Muslims who haven't committed violence. Are these attacks justified to you or not ? I would say they are most definitely not. I can hardly complain about one group's violent behaviour if I turn a blind eye to another's. Edited May 4, 2017 by bcsapper
dialamah Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 1 hour ago, bcsapper said: It's only Islamophobia if it refers to those Muslims who do not think a society should be governed by religious law rather than secular law, and even in such a case, there is every right to state such a belief, even if wrong. Any such belief I might have is only concerned with those Muslims who do actually think people other than themselves should adher to the rules of their religion, so I'm exempt from that charge, myself. That's a pretty hard to follow statement, but it appears that you are claiming that because you only object to Muslims who blow things up or who would force their beliefs on you, you aren't Islamaphobic. Is that right?
Guest Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: That's a pretty hard to follow statement, but it appears that you are claiming that because you only object to Muslims who blow things up or who would force their beliefs on you, you aren't Islamaphobic. Is that right? Amongst other things. But I'm stating with certainty, rather than simply claiming, that I am not Islamaphobic.
dialamah Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Amongst other things. But I'm stating with certainty, rather than simply claiming, that I am not Islamaphobic. Why?
blackbird Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Amongst other things. But I'm stating with certainty, rather than simply claiming, that I am not Islamaphobic. According to apologists for Islam, anyone who is opposed to Islam or criticizes it is Islamophobic. So it depends who you are talking to whether you are Islamophobic or not. It is purely subjective opinion. Edited May 4, 2017 by blackbird
Guest Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: According to Islamic apologists, anyone who is opposed to Islam or criticizes it is Islamophobic. So it depends who you are talking to whether you are Islamophobic or not. I disagree. I know there are those of whom you speak, but their views are irrelevant. I know. Edited May 4, 2017 by bcsapper
dialamah Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 20 minutes ago, bcsapper said: You asked me! Oh sorry, I was asking why you felt it necessary to state that you aren't Islamaphobic.
Guest Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, dialamah said: Oh sorry, I was asking why you felt it necessary to state that you aren't Islamaphobic. Because you said I appeared to be claiming it.
dialamah Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 24 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Because you said I appeared to be claiming it. I think somehow we've lost communication, so I'll just wish you a good night.
Guest Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, dialamah said: I think somehow we've lost communication, so I'll just wish you a good night. It can happen on here, that's for sure. Good night.
carepov Posted May 4, 2017 Report Posted May 4, 2017 16 hours ago, Argus said: I posed a non-confusing question a few hours back no one has chosen to answer. No one would find an issue with me disliking Communism or Fascism. Why, then, do so many seem to feel strong disapproval, even dislike of Islam is a moral failing? As I have pointed out before, Islam is not merely a religion. It is a political ideology complete with clear instructions on how government is to operate, the values which must be enforced and both criminal and family law. Why is disliking such an ideology condemned by so many on the Left? Why do left wing politicians rush to embrace this ideology to demonstrate their 'inclusiveness' and 'openness'? I also dislike Islamism (aka Political Islam or Islamic fundamentalism). Definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism I strongly disprove of the way that Iran, Saudi Arabia and other similar countries are governed. Not every Muslim is an Islamist. In fact, I am confident that the clear majority of Muslim-Canadians are not Islamist. Sticking with your analogy, people emigrating to Canada from Islamist countries should be welcomed in similar ways as people emigrating from Communist/Fascist countries in the past. We should not judge individuals by their religion and for most Muslim-Canadians Islam is just that – a religion. 1
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