Islamophobia in Canada

[Goddess]

Muslims must be allowed to have ideas, discuss and criticize their own belief systems without fear. 

1 minute ago, jacee said:

I am saying that in Canada, like everyone else, Muslims are free to practice their religion within the law.

I'm asking you why you took exception to the above quote from the article.  I'm asking you WHY you think Muslims should not be allowed to question their belief system.

I don't see the correlation between the statement in the article and your statement as to why you don't agree with it.

Again:  Why do you think that Muslims should not be allowed to question their own belief system?

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

Those of you who promote hatred against Muslims and incite Islamophobia are testing the bounds of the law in Canada.

 

The "law in Canada" is still being used to screw First Nations....welcome to the club Muslims.

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"78 per cent of Canadians agreed Muslims should adopt Canadian customs and values..."

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/fear-is-the-greatest-factor-survey-finds-canadians-worry-about-rise-of-racism-1.3592579

 

[Rue]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Where can we all look to see Islam practiced as Mohammad intended?

I'd say go to the Rest of The World section and any post pretexted with a discussion on Israel. I would argue Eye-Ghost-Hudson Jones-Altai-Kactus-Marcus, believe "they" know what his intent was and carry on their  forum jihad for him.  I say that with sheer contempt.

Now that I am on the topic. Islam does have the potential like any religion to evolve past its vile concepts but I think its naïve to think its anywhere near that level at this time. I think our societies are riddled with violence because of material values and an absence of spiritual vales, but Muslims violent and intolerant because of their spiritual beliefs. That is of course my subjective opinion and  that is all it is.

I challenge the Koran spends over 50% of its contents defining why non believers are Kafir and how to hate, kill and imprison we non believers. As long as the majority of Muslims follow these beliefs about Kafir, which is a fact,  the religion will fuel terrorism, anti-Semitism and discrimination against Kurds, Berbers, Assyrians, on and on, not to mention Israel and Jews. The religion fuels the concept that Jews can not have a Jewish state because they can not have the same land or state rights let alone any rights equal to a Muslim precisely because we are kafir.. That very Muslim belief  is entrenched and quoted in the constitutions of the PA, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Jew free state constitutions of so many Arab league nations. Dhimmitude, the institutionalized apartheid of Christians and Jews is openly imposed. by such nations. These Muslim nations in fact kill more Muslims in the name of Islam than any non Muslim.

If I thought other than Dialamah there was someone who truly was a Muslim with her beliefs I would be the first to defend them,I  acknowledge any concern they have as to unfair stereotyping of Muslims as I now openly do to her yet again. Other than her words which I respect, all I read from others supporting Islam  is bigoted crap and these are the same people claiming to defend against Islamophobia which to date, has never been defined.

I totally support Dialamah's argument that we should not slur all Muslims for the beliefs of Muslim extremists and terrorists or fundamentalists.

however I also think Muslim fundamentalists should be challenged no different than any other religious extremist fundamentalists when they become sexist, homophobic, bigoted, etc., which she has repeatedly conceded and been ignored saying.

I openly call out any Muslim who uses their religion to discriminate against any nationality not just Jews and I see it all on the top on this forum pretexted as being only anti Israeli which is the expression of Jewish identity through a political collective. Our political  expression is slurred, insulted, called racist and its used to attack not just alleged Zionists and Israelis but Jews and non Jews including Muslims who respect our right to be a political collective. The vile accusations we hate Palestinians, look different than Muslims and Arabs, hate Palestinians, it just flows and causes as much offence as probably what Dialamah feels from non Muslims on this forum. So I am not sure what to say to her other than I am disgusted with the same cognitive processes used against Jews she finds with Muslims and I have to acknowledge that.

I personally believe the comments of Ghost, Eye, Altai, Marcus and Kactus have shown for example in the Rest Of The World thread on the alleged Netanyahy is blatant example of anti Jewish hatred done exploiting the Islam religion.

I support moderate Muslims the same reason they support Israelis-because we are both like moderate Christians good people and simply want the same things.

I am  not about to read the excrement from Ghost, Eye, Kactus, et al on this thread. They demonstrate thre very bigotry against Jews they claim should not be done to Muslims.

I stand by any Muslim who has had to escape Muslim hatred such as Amidyah. I support any Muslim who rejects using the Koran as some Christians do or some Jews do to justify hating people outside their religious beliefs.

The majority of the world's civil wars and slaughters are being done by Muslim extremists.  There's no room for liberal apologies for such crap.

There will be far more war before Islam evolves to a peaceful way of life. Anyone who suggests otherwise should challenge their fellow Muslims and we non Muslims and prove to us we are wrong which is what Dialamah does. I can not belittle her for trying. I have to respect it. Respect is a 2 way street.

I have edited this response.

Edited September 18, 2017 by Rue

[jacee]

19 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Show me an example of true xenophobia. a la Ernst Zundel. You can't. 

If you think this passes the test and is hate, not free speech, then you shouldn't be voicing your opinion.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/notorious-mississauga-blogger-known-for-anti-muslim-rants-faces-hate-crime-charge

That's going to be an interesting court case.

One significant fact: He posted a reward for people to invade the school and try to record students "spewing hate speech" during prayers. The school went into lockdown, of course, and called police.

That sets this case apart: threatening the safety of a specific group of children, imo.

He is charged with one count of wilful promotion of hatred.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-319.html

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

• (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

• (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Edited September 18, 2017 by jacee

[Argus]

30 minutes ago, jacee said:

Islamophobia - inciting hatred against Muslims in Canada should not be against the law?

Given the enormous breadth of commentary you and those like you would include under 'hatred of Muslims' no.

 

[kactus]

14 minutes ago, Rue said:

I'd say go to the Rest of The World section and any post pretexted with a discussion on Israel. I am sure lEye-Ghost-Hudson Jones-Altai-Kactus-Marcus, believe they know what his intent was.

....

I personally believe the comments of Ghost, Eye, Altai, Marcus and Kactus have shown on the alleged Netanyahy is racist thread that they are absolutely bigoted against Jews and use PA, Hamas, Muslim extremist scripts.

 

I am  not about to read the excrement from Ghost, Eye, Kactus, et al on this thread. They demonstrate thre very bigotry against Jews they claim should not be done to Muslims.

 

Then STFU and stop instigating and baiting game....I know exactly what you are up to. This isolationist approach to single me out doesn't work...As for the rest of the garbage you have spewed on this  forum forget it it isn't worthy of a response...

Edited September 18, 2017 by kactus

[Rue]

6 minutes ago, kactus said:

Then STFU and stop instigating and baiting game....I know exactly what you are up to. This isolationist approach to single me out doesn't work...As for the rest of the garbage you have spewed on this  forum forget it it isn't worthy of a response...

While you wrote the above I edited my article to avoiding the appearance you are being singled out. Trust me you are in good company and do yourself a favour phack off posing as a defender against Islamophobia. You are ironically  just as guilty of it as you are anti Semitism.

[Argus]

18 minutes ago, Rue said:

The Koran spends 50% of its contents defining why non believers are Kafir and what to do with them. As long as the majority of Muslims follow these beliefs about Kafir the religion will fuel terrorism, anti-Semitism and discrimination against Kurds, Berbers, Assyrians, on and on.

Perhaps you are understating things, Rue.

“About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.”

–Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

 

“About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.”

–Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy

And yet some insist that these teachings have absolutely  no effect on Islam's attitudes towards non-Muslims.

[jacee]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

https://quran.com/8/39

That's from your Quran...

If only the kafir would just submit and stop complaining about the Only True Religion.

You can criticize any religion you want, especially your own. 

But you cannot incite or promote hatred against Muslims or any other identifiable group. 

You know you reveal yourself as a foreign and partisan attack dog agent when you try to tag and insult me as Muslim. That's ridiculous. You have no clue about Canadians. I don't practice any religion, but I defend people's right to do so without people promoting and inciting hatred against them.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, jacee said:

You can criticize any religion you want, especially your own. 

 

I don't practice any religion, but I defend people's right to do so without people promoting and inciting hatred against them.

You just said you don't think Muslims should be allowed to question their own religion.

Is it just Muslims that you don't believe have the right to question their beliefs?

You make no sense whatsoever.

Edited September 18, 2017 by Goddess

[kactus]

3 minutes ago, Rue said:

While you wrote the above I edited my article to avoiding the appearance you are being singled out. Trust me you are in good company and do yourself a favour phack off posing as a defender against Islamophobia. You are ironically  just as guilty of it as you are anti Semitism.

 

Phack you too. You are a bigoted and racist. Trusting you? Don't flatter yourself. Like said before you are like a sheep dressed like a wolf pretending to be a moderate jew. You are nothing but full of hatred towards Muslims. Now cut the crap of warming up to Dialamah and pretend you are not an extremist. 

[kactus]

19 minutes ago, Argus said:

Perhaps you are understating things, Rue.

“About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.”

–Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy

Are sixty  percent of muslims taking the words literally to kill non muslims or non believers. If so that would translate into 1billion muslims. 

Edited September 18, 2017 by kactus

[jacee]

Just now, Goddess said:

But you don't believe people have the right to question their own religious beliefs.  Or is it just Muslims that you don't believe have the right to question their beliefs?

You make no sense whatsoever.

I don't care if they do or don't.

It isn't my business or yours.

Except I guess promoting hatred against Muslims is your 'business'. 

"Islamophobia in Canada" is the name of the thread. 

[Altai]

Verse 8:39 says "fight them until there is no fitnah and until system (no religion, there is no such a word) belongs to Allah. 

Fitnah is inciting hatred between people. So if you wont try to incite hatred, there wont be any problem. Muslims will fight until system belongs to Allah because Allah says there is no compulsion in the system and we have to act justly. This is not an order but this is a border. Allah puts borders for fight and it can be maintained until there is no compulsion and injustice.

[Goddess]

Just now, jacee said:

I don't care if they do or don't.

It isn't my business or yours.

Except I guess promoting hatred against Muslims is your 'business'. 

"Islamophobia in Canada" is the name of the thread. 

**sigh**

I'll try this one more time.  Try to focus.

I posted an article that said "Muslims must be allowed to have ideas, discuss and criticize their own belief system without fear."  

Now,      I agree with that statement.  I believe all people can and should be allowed to have criticisms of their own religion's beliefs.

YOU - disagreed with the statement.

I am asking you because you disagreed with the statement:

1. WHY do you think Muslims should NOT be allowed to question their own beliefs? 

2.  Is it just Muslims who you feel should not be allowed to question their religion?

3.  What do you feel is the appropriate punishment for Muslims who challenge their own religious beliefs?

 

[jacee]

13 minutes ago, Altai said:

Verse 8:39 says "fight them until there is no fitnah and until system (no religion, there is no such a word) belongs to Allah. 

Fitnah is inciting hatred between people. So if you wont try to incite hatred, there wont be any problem. Muslims will fight until system belongs to Allah because Allah says there is no compulsion in the system and we have to act justly. This is not an order but this is a border. Allah puts borders for fight and it can be maintained until there is no compulsion and injustice.

I really don't care what some archaic text says in any religion.

If anyone acts outside the law, call the police.

Otherwise, live and let live.

Inciting or promoting hatred against Muslims is illegal in Canada.

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And yet some insist that these teachings have absolutely  no effect on Islam's attitudes towards non-Muslims.

The counter-claim would be that there is an effect, or even a cause.  But there's no proving that either way.  The most practical motivation for holding up holy books for examination is vilification, IMO.

[jacee]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Muslims must be allowed to have ideas, discuss and criticize their own belief systems without fear. 

I'm asking you why you took exception to the above quote from the article.  I'm asking you WHY you think Muslims should not be allowed to question their belief system.

I don't see the correlation between the statement in the article and your statement as to why you don't agree with it.

Again:  Why do you think that Muslims should not be allowed to question their own belief system?

You're not that stupid, agent Goddess. 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

You're not that stupid, agent Goddess. 

I guess I am.  Because I don't understand why you disagree with the statement that Muslims should be allowed to question their own religious beliefs without fear.

Why do you refuse to answer the question?

[jacee]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

I guess I am.  Because I don't understand why you disagree with the statement that Muslims should be allowed to question their own religious beliefs without fear.

Why do you refuse to answer the question?

I have no interest in the contents of anyone's religion. They're all creepy, imo.

But you're all free to have one, without anyone inciting or promoting hatred against you.

The thread is about Islamophobia in Canada, which you demonstrate in your persistent trolling ... But I doubt you're in Canada.

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

I have no interest in the contents of anyone's religion. They're all creepy, imo.

But you're all free to have one, without anyone inciting or promoting hatred against you.

The thread is about Islamophobia in Canada, which you demonstrate in your persistent trolling ... But I doubt you're in Canada.

Yes, I understand that YOU have no interest in anyone's religion.  Which is why I asked you what you have against Muslims being free to discuss and criticize aspects of their own faith.

I dont' have a religion, but I support anyone who wants to examine their own religion critically and thoughfully.  Why do you oppose this?

 

[jacee]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yes, I understand that YOU have no interest in anyone's religion.  Which is why I asked you what you have against Muslims being free to discuss and criticize aspects of their own faith.

I dont' have a religion, but I support anyone who wants to examine their own religion critically and thoughfully.  Why do you oppose this?

 

I just don't give a sh!t.

You are boring me.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, jacee said:

I just don't give a sh!t.

You are boring me.

If you don't give a shit, then why did you disagree with the statement?

[Goddess]

21 minutes ago, jacee said:

 

 which you demonstrate in your persistent trolling ... But I doubt you're in Canada.

I think trolling is more like when someone comes onto a thread and loudly disagrees with something, calls people trolls, Islamophobes and not Canadians and then refuses to answer questions as to why they disagree with a statement.

What do you think?