DogOnPorch Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, dialamah said: I agree Islam has sone pretty outdated practices, but this bit simply isn't true. Where can we all look to see Islam practiced as Mohammad intended? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 34 minutes ago, dialamah said: ....and six Muslims are killed while praying. I wonder why we've heard NOTHING about that event since? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, PIK said: So much BS. Islamophobia is a word used to shut down conversations about a troubled religion. If that religion is so good why are muslims dying to get to a christian country? That"s a really good question. Maybe you could look into it and get back to us with a really good answer.
DogOnPorch Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: That"s a really good question. Maybe you could look into it and get back to us with a really good answer. You wouldn't want to make Islam....you know....LOOK BAD. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, Goddess said: Well, you've been asked quite a few times to state which Muslim countries have equality of the sexes..... That would require dialamah actually being truthful re: Islam. Not gonna happen. It must be defended. 2 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
capricorn Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, dialamah said: That"s a really good question. Maybe you could look into it and get back to us with a really good answer. As I began reading your reply to PIK, I thought your question was genuine and well intended. Then as I read the rest of your post, I realized you were actually mocking PIK. Par for the course. 2 "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
dialamah Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Goddess said: Well, you've been asked quite a few times to state which Muslim countries have equality of the sexes..... Yes, but only by people who seem to think that allowing Muslims some humanity = supporting brutality. I have said repeatedly that these countries have issues. This does not mean that all Muslim men treat women like pieces of meat or are rapists. Now, how about you show me a Western country where women are never beaten, raped or killed by men, and where not only is gender equality the law, its actually universally and without fail an integral part of the culture. 2
dialamah Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, capricorn said: As I began reading your reply to PIK, I thought your question was genuine and well intended. Then as I read the rest of your post, I realized you were actually mocking PIK. Par for the course. Thanks for your contribution.
Argus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, dialamah said: Yes, you do. You also assert that the parts of those studies that do not support your claim are wrong and/or the respondents are lying about those parts, but not the parts that support what you believe. No, I don't. 1 hour ago, dialamah said: Yes it is, but some people claim it's a proposed law that limits free speech, or that it is a law already passed. Then they're mistaken. 1 hour ago, dialamah said: The same was said of the Ottawa Protocol prior to its adoption, but those people were wrong. Even if that were the intent (and I don't believe for a minute that it is), common sense should tell people that given the scrutiny of the opposition and anti-Islam watchers, the chances of that happening are absolutely nil. Given the nature of the government today, I find the chances quite high. Trudeau is not a man who admires freedom of speech. He is not a man who tolerates dissent within his party, and is zealously progressive. 1 hour ago, dialamah said: If you examine those surveys, they want Sharia for themselves, not everyone. In addition, they may only envision Sharia as applying to family law or inheritance and not necessarily criminal behavior. The study takes pains to point that out. Many of the want the entire society to be under Sharia, and make no distinction between the misogynistic family law aspects and the brutality of criminal law aspects. 1 hour ago, dialamah said: I notice you could not resist the impulse to toss in a couple of insults although the post you responded to contained none. I thought you didn't do that. Who did I insult? Was something aimed at you? I said something provably correct about many progressives. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
capricorn Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: Thanks for your contribution. What? You think on a discussion forum some of us should shut up? "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Argus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, dialamah said: Canadians don't recognize Islamaphobia even as Mosques are subjected to hateful graffiti, death threats are sent to Mosques, Muslim women are attacked verbally and physically in public, and six Muslims are killed while praying. Religiously motivated attacks against Muslims have risen 253% over four years, but Islamaphobia is a made up term by Liberals to kill free speech. SMH People have always been wary of those different who come into their territory. The more different, the more people get their backs up. This is true of people all over the world. With Muslims, the differences in cultures are extreme, and there's the added impact of continuing Muslim violence, terrorism and extremism around the world. And yet despite all that there are a lot less hate crimes against Muslims than against Jews or Blacks, and the vast majority are non-violent. Edited September 18, 2017 by Argus 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, capricorn said: What? You think on a discussion forum some of us should shut up? Where did I say shut up? I acknowledged your contribution and that sounds like "shut up" to you? Thats just weird. BTW, do you agree with PIK that if a Muslim is beaten or killed, that"s just too bad because we don't want Islam here?
Argus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, dialamah said: That"s a really good question. Maybe you could look into it and get back to us with a really good answer. Money. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, dialamah said: Yes, but only by people who seem to think that allowing Muslims some humanity = supporting brutality. I have said repeatedly that these countries have issues. This does not mean that all Muslim men treat women like pieces of meat or are rapists. Now, how about you show me a Western country where women are never beaten, raped or killed by men, and where not only is gender equality the law, its actually universally and without fail an integral part of the culture. That's a false rationalization. You're asking for perfection, and through numerous postings on the subject you're attitude appears to be that no matter how bad the Muslim world is we can't judge since we're not perfect. It's like you telling someone who criticizes a child rapist "Well, you're one to talk since you like looking at eighteen year olds in bikinis. Pervert!" "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
capricorn Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Where did I say shut up? I acknowledged your contribution and that sounds like "shut up" to you? Thats just weird. You were mocking PIK and I called you out on it. What's weird is you did not defend your words to PIK so I take it I was right. You may now continue with your vociferous defence of Muslims and Islam. 1 "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Goddess Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, dialamah said: Yes, but only by people who seem to think that allowing Muslims some humanity = supporting brutality. I have said repeatedly that these countries have issues. This does not mean that all Muslim men treat women like pieces of meat or are rapists. Now, how about you show me a Western country where women are never beaten, raped or killed by men, and where not only is gender equality the law, its actually universally and without fail an integral part of the culture. So which is it? Do these countries have issues? Or is it, as you assert, that it is NOT true that Muslim countries discriminate against women to a larger degree than Western countries? You flip flop on this all the time, depending on which arguement fits your narrative at the time. And why do Western countries have to be perfect before they can point out the greater mysogeny in Islam? Why do Western countries have to have 0 (zero) rapes or murders of women (or NEVER, as you put it), but Muslim countries can do so in the name of their religion and in the name of tolerance we are all supposed to just throw up our hands and say, "Oh well." and shut up about it? 1 "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
kactus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 9 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Division...get it right, Fritz. Division....Same sh!t different smell. Tomaito --> Tomato
eyeball Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Argus said: So to reiterate, the term Islamophobia is a meaningless epithet ... That's right, we should just stick with the more relevant and accurate term, racist. 1 A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
kactus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 6 hours ago, PIK said: Actually NATO saved the muslim butt. It did because of man... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Milošević
jacee Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Goddess said: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawn-moksvold/the-lefts-problem-with-fr_b_8930598.html Criticize Islam and any other religion all you want. But Muslims and Christians and whoever can do whatever they want, within the law. This statement is ridiculous: Muslims must be allowed to have ideas, discuss and criticize their own belief systems without fear. Really?! If someone chooses to belong to an Evangelical, Orthodox or other religion that discourages free thinking ... that's their choice, and it's no one else's business. "Muslims must ..." ? Try "Christians must ...!" See how that goes over. Point being, no one outside of a religion can dictate what is in the religion, beyond the law. Edited September 18, 2017 by jacee
kactus Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 56 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Islam does mean Submission. Actually I checked the mean ing of the word Islam and here's the definition: Quote Islam (Arabic: الإسلام, IPA: [alʔisˈlaːm] ( listen)) is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root S-L-M which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of wholeness, submission, safeness, and peace.[43] In a religious context it means "voluntary submission to God".[44][45] Islām is the verbal noun of Form IV of the root, and means "submission" or "surrender". Muslim, the word for an adherent of Islam, is the active participle of the same verb form, and means "one who submits" or "one who surrenders". The word sometimes has distinct connotations in its various occurrences in the Quran. In some verses, there is stress on the quality of Islam as an internal state: "Whomsoever God desires to guide, He opens his heart to Islam."[46] Other verses connect Islām and dīn (usually translated as "religion"): "Today, I have perfected your religion (dīn) for you; I have completed My blessing upon you; I have approved Islam for your religion."[47] Still others describe Islam as an action of returning to God—more than just a verbal affirmation of faith.[48] In the Hadith of Gabriel, islām is presented as one part of a triad that also includes imān (faith), and ihsān (excellence).[49][50] Islam was historically called Muhammadanism in Anglophone societies. This term has fallen out of use and is sometimes said to be offensive because it suggests that a human being rather than God is central to Muslims' religion, parallel to Jesus Christ in Christianity. Some authors, however, continue to use the term Muhammadanism as a technical term for the religious system as opposed to the theological concept of Islam that exists within that system.[51] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
Goddess Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, jacee said: Criticize Islam and any other religion all you want. But Muslims and Christians and whoever can do whatever they want, within the law. This statement is ridiculous: Muslims must be allowed to have ideas, discuss and criticize their own belief systems without fear. Really?! If someone chooses to belong to an Evangelical, Orthodox or other religion that discourages free thinking ... that's their choice, and it's no one else's business. "Muslims must ..." ? Try "Christians must ...!" See how that goes over. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? So you are saying that Muslims should NOT be allowed to discuss or criticize their own belief systems without fear. What do you think should happen to those Muslims who do have criticisms of their religion? Are you one of the ones who feels death is the appropriate punishment for questioning Islam? How very ISIS of you. Edited September 18, 2017 by Goddess "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
jacee Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, PIK said: We do not defend Islam 10th century practises. The thing that makes me lose all respect for you is in Islam you are nothing but a peice of meat for the men to do whatever they want, and you defend that? I am not "in Islam". Anyone who needs recourse to the law has it in Canada. What is your point? Islamophobia - inciting hatred against Muslims in Canada should not be against the law? Is that your point?
drummindiver Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jacee said: Islamophobia - inciting hatred against Muslims in Canada should not be against the law? Is that your point? Show me an example of true xenophobia. a la Ernst Zundel. You can't. If you think this passes the test and is hate, not free speech, then you shouldn't be voicing your opinion. BTW, I may think buddy is a nut job, but he should have freedom of speech. http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/notorious-mississauga-blogger-known-for-anti-muslim-rants-faces-hate-crime-charge Edited September 18, 2017 by drummindiver
jacee Posted September 18, 2017 Report Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? So you are saying that Muslims should NOT be allowed to discuss or criticize their own belief systems without fear. What do you think should happen to those Muslims who do have criticisms of their religion? Are you one of the ones who feels death is the appropriate punishment for questioning Islam? How very ISIS of you. I am saying that in Canada, like everyone else, Muslims are free to practice their religion within the law. Nobody's business. Those of you who promote hatred against Muslims and incite Islamophobia are testing the bounds of the law in Canada. Edited September 18, 2017 by jacee
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