Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 You realize that zero Canadian civilians have ever been killed by Islamic terrorist attacks on Canadian soil right? You must also realize that ISIS didn't attack Canada in Ottawa/Quebec in 2014, only ISIS sympathizers. Most importantly, these sympathizers attacked Canadian military targets in Canada only AFTER Canada committed to attacking ISIS: the 2014 terror attacks in Ottawa/Quebec occurred 2 weeks after the Harper gov in Parliament voted to bomb ISIS targets in Iraq. The idea that if we keep our heads down, say nothing bad, and let others do the fighting, we can escape any of the violence is not a new one. It's kind of gutless, but it's not essentially wrong. Except, of course, that we're dealing with an irrational ideology which regards all non-believers as infidels who are less than human. It also demands they swear allegiance to Islam, and to abide by their version of Islam's laws. The Danes didn't have anyone fighting in the middle east, but still had an embassy burned, and still had attacks by Islamists because some small town newspaper printed a few cartoons which were, at best, ever so mildly critical of Islam. So you can hope to hide away and let the braver souls do the fighting, but you better also hope no one here does something or says something or writes something which offends the delicate sensibilities of Muslim extremists, because it doesn't take much to infuriate them into a murderous rage. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Oh man, why do these killers want to attack France, I just don't understand?! Why do they hate us?! You're right, MG! What right do we have to interfere with their genocide! It's THEIR genocide! They should be allowed to carry it on unhindered! And what evil people we are to criticize their right to have slave trading in infidel girls! Why that's disrespecting their culture and religion! How dare we! Why, the very notion of 'interfering' in the right of a homicidal and genocidal group to do anything they want certainly justifies any kind of retaliation they want to engage in! We should just leave them alone and let them do whatever they want to! If they happen to catch some Canadians over there, like aid workers or the like, and burn them in cages, well, we might consider writing a stern note of protest, but that's it, eh. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
scribblet Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Yes, it has nothing to do with Islam. Maybe now people will start to believe how huge the Islamist problem really is and will quit pussyfooting around, although I doubt it. I noticed while watching news on different channels, the stark absence of any speculation in the media as to who did it, maybe it was those German soccer supporters you know... I guess everyone is wondering how something so huge and obviously involved a lot more Islamists was missed by intelligence. If nothing else this should give us pause about rolling back Bill C 51. I watched former CIA director James Woolsley talking about the Paris attacks on BBC. He mentioned the refugees flooding in as a possible factor. Not surprising, ISIL has allready told us they have supporters among them. IMO Justin Trudeau will have to reconsider his plan to flood Canada with hastily screened refugees, unless of course it’s only their votes he wants. Everyone else being collateral damage. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Moonlight Graham Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 You're right, MG! What right do we have to interfere with their genocide! It's THEIR genocide! They should be allowed to carry it on unhindered! And what evil people we are to criticize their right to have slave trading in infidel girls! Why that's disrespecting their culture and religion! How dare we! Our military involvement against ISIS has nothing to do with human rights or genocide. That's just what our government tells us to sell it to us. Amazing how much we care about genocide in the lands of vast oil fields in the middle-east, but we don't bat an eyelash when it happens throughout Africa. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 You're against Snowden for showing proof that our governments are breaking the law and spying on us. A lot of your thoughts and ideas leads me to believe that you support fascism. That would only be an intelligent belief if our governments were Fascist. And only a loon would believe that. It's well known that Snowden's revelations caused terrorist organizations to radically alter their means of communicating with each other, to largely abandon electronic communication, for example, and start encrypting what they do use. This attack was not a 'lone wolf' thing. It was highly planned and coordinated, yet French intelligence didn't catch a whif of it. That shows they took considerable care to avoid the known means of intelligence gathering. And Snowden - and his supporters - have been doing everything they can over the past several years to help terrorists by exposing means government's use to monitor them. Canada's electronic spy agency says leaks by former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden have "diminished the advantage" it enjoyed over terrorists and other targets, both in the short term and — of more concern — well into the future. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cse-says-snowden-leaks-eroding-spy-agency-s-long-term-advantage-over-terrorists-1.3128837 Disclosures of National Security Agency secrets by the former contractor Edward Snowden have damaged U.S. efforts to battle terrorists, NSA Director Adm. Mike Rogers said on Monday. “I would say that it has had a material impact on our ability to generate insights as to what terrorist groups around the world are doing,” Rogers said at a conference in Washington. http://freebeacon.com/national-security/nsa-chief-snowdens-leaks-helped-terrorists-avoid-tracking/ US traitor Edward Snowden’s ‘reckless’ intelligence leaks have helped terrorists, child abusers and people-smugglers conceal their ‘vile’ crimes, an expert warned last night http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248485/Anti-terror-expert-warns-reckless-intelligence-leaks-Edward-Snowden-helped-terrorists-child-abusers-people-smugglers-conceal-crimes.html Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Bob the Canadian grew up in Canada, then at age 25 Bob moved to China for work. Then China started bombing Canada relentlessly because Canada wanted to nationalize its oil sands and kick out Chinese oil contracting companies. We're not bombing ISIS because they want to nationalize oil companies but because they are committing genocide and enslaving little girls. Is it possible you can't tell the difference there? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 To fully prove the point, look no further than the nation the US has involved itself with more than any other on earth. The unliveable wasteland known as Canada. If only they would leave us alone! They sure messed up South Korea! If it hadn't been for our intervention there it would be the same glorious paradise as North Korea! Instead it's a miserable hellhole! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Your chances of dying from a car accident, dog attack, frostbite and lightning strike are greater than being killed in a terrorist attack. So we shouldn't worry until there is an active terrorist campaign here killing lots of people? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Because these people are in a big hurry to be helped from a dire situation. What dire situation? They're in Turkey and completely safe. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 In a healthy discussion, it's important that you don't just make things up. Goodale told reporters that security checks on the refugees will be conducted both before and after the refugees begin arriving in Canada. The question would be in the efficacy of those 'security checks' what they entail and how much time the agencies have to do them. Goodale said his officials assured him they can get the job done, Uh yeah because officials are known to tell ministers no an awful lot. Officials will do whatever the minister tells them, or try to, and will put tremendous pressure on their underlings to get things done. Those underlings will pressure their employees to get things done, and to get that number through, and short cuts will be taken and rules relaxed in order to do what the minister wants. All to fulfill an unrealistic political pledge. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Didn't Russia kill more ISIS members than NATO, in the short time Russia started bombing. It's still a mystery why NATO countries can't get a hold of ISIS but Russia did more damage to them in a short time. And Putin scored twenty seven goals in a hockey game, and is the best basketball player on earth, who hunts lions in between drinking beer and bragging about his nineteen year old mistresses. You believe everything the Russians tell you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Moonlight Graham Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Oh man, why do these killers want to attack France, I just don't understand?! Why do they hate us?! http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/france-launches-air-strikes-isil-syria-150927091909306.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-deploys-aircraft-carrier-to-fight-isis-in-syria-and-iraq-a6722671.html Oh man, why did these killers attack Canada on Oct. 20/22 2014, I just don't understand?!?! Why do they hate us?! http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/08/canada-parliament-votes-join-anti-isis-strikes-iraq Oh and I forgot to include that the downing of the Russian plane over Egypt is likely retaliation for Russia recently joining the fight against ISIS/al-Qaeda in Syria. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I have a feeling you can't make an argument that isn't a stupid generalization about "progressives" and "the left." My characterization would be more difficult if it weren't so easy. And it wouldn't be so easy were it not for representatives such as yourself. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BubberMiley Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 My characterization would be more difficult if it weren't so easy. And it wouldn't be so easy were it not for representatives such as yourself. But you rely so much on your imagination. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Our military involvement against ISIS has nothing to do with human rights or genocide. That's just what our government tells us to sell it to us. Oh God. Please, not more conspiracy theories. Why is the Left so obsessed with conspiracy theories!? Amazing how much we care about genocide in the lands of vast oil fields in the middle-east, but we don't bat an eyelash when it happens throughout Africa. Where is genocide and slave trading taking place in Africa? Remember that ISIS isn't conquering the Yazidis and Kurds and Christian areas and villages. It's slaughtering all the men and enslaving the women. That puts it on a different level than the numerous inter-tribal fights in Africa. Canada, and the West in general, have always drawn the line at genocide, or tried to. Now you're suggesting we ignore that when it comes to Arabs? Or should we just ignore it completely? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Moonlight Graham Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 We're not bombing ISIS because they want to nationalize oil companies but because they are committing genocide and enslaving little girls. Is it possible you can't tell the difference there? I bet you think we fought in the Libya Civil War for humanitarian reasons too right? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 But you rely so much on your imagination. On the contrary, I rely on you and your friends to supply me with material! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I bet you think we fought in the Libya Civil War for humanitarian reasons too right? Never mind, MG. I understand. It's all a vast conspiracy. All western governments are controlled by the oil companies or the Jews, or something. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
CITIZEN_2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) If you don't want to hear the truth then don't read this. We are political analysts (at least most of us are as a minority are just here to insult individuals who say anything contrary to their beliefs or hide behind their computer and make racist bigotry remarks) so as political analysts we must look at ALL the facts on BOTH sides and be FAIR in our judgement, assessments and comments and then come to a conclusion or decision. Listen I know some of you guys may not wish to hear the facts but let's look at both sides of the coin. First of all any terrorist attacks of any kind is disgusting and evil and those responsible must be brought to justice and I condemn such acts in the strongest possible way. Second why these murders are killing themselves to murder and justify it by shouting God is great? The west (mainly US, Britain and France) have been very dreadful to these people. They have supported puppet regimes and dictators like the ones in Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Iran, Jordan .... and in spite of the fact that these regimes had been engaged in a war against their own people they continued to supply them with military hardware and train their intelligence services. Not to mention that Britain and France alone colonized half the world in 19th century. They took their resources like oil for free or cheap and then almost colonized them politically or economically while keeping them poor and enriched themselves. Once even one of them tried to gain independence then they formed an unholy alliance to prevent that from happening (Iran, 1953, CIA-British sponsored military coup). The west has full heatedly and unconditionally supported the state of Israel and supplied them with advanced and deadly military hardware which for more than half a century have been engaged in murderous campaign against its neighbors. Hundreds of thousands of civilians have died since as a result of terrorist actions by Israelis. Russia has done its share (by supporting dreadful regimes like Assad in Syria and Ayatollahs in Iran and communist regime in Afghanistan) and now they have started to pay the price too. All I say is that though I fully and strongly condemn these terrorist acts but at the same time the west and Russia are not totally innocent either and they created these problems and these hatreds and these terrorists by their actions in the past and present. Edited November 14, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 So we shouldn't worry until there is an active terrorist campaign here killing lots of people? Noooo. Let's panic. Turn our society into a police state. Pour trillions of dollars into the military. Bomb somebody - it doesn't matter who. Let's see how many Muslim countries we can occupy simultaneously until we bankrupt ourselves. Feel better now? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Guest Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) Noooo. Let's panic. Turn our society into a police state. Pour trillions of dollars into the military. Bomb somebody - it doesn't matter who. Let's see how many Muslim countries we can occupy simultaneously until we bankrupt ourselves. Feel better now? You're hysterical! Stop it. We just have to contribute fully to the effort by the sane people on the planet to kill as many of the insane people on the planet as we can. And make sure no-one screws with Bill C51, unless it's just to increase its funding and powers. Edited November 14, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Guest Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 All I say is that though I fully and strongly condemn these terrorist acts but at the same time the west and Russia are not totally innocent either and they created these problems and these hatreds and these terrorists by their actions in the past and present. So what would you suggest? Set up some kind of quota system that the aggrieved can use to kill up to a certain number without penalty every year, until the debt is paid off? They can do it here, or we can ship people over there. We could use a type of lottery to decide who would be sacrificed for their feelings. Like the Germans did to make up for the Holocaust. Seriously though. Historical events that go back beyond WWI have contributed to the current situation. If you think the response of the west to events of the kind that happened in Paris last night should be tempered because of that, well, I disagree. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 So we shouldn't worry until there is an active terrorist campaign here killing lots of people? What about the terrorist activity we are supporting in the take down of Assad? Lots of people being killed by NATO weapons. No mention of that from what I have read in your posts. Quote
capricorn Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Here we go. Paris terror attack: Attacker found with Syrian passport was a refugee who passed through Greek island http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995541/Paris-shootings-terrorist-attack-french-victims-latest-news.html Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
GostHacked Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 The only reason ISIS continues to hold territory is because there are no allied forces on the ground. Put in one armored division and ISIS' control will reduced to a few isolated strongholds with heavy civilian populations to hide behind. Put in an infantry division and they'll lose even those. Why would you think they would WANT alliance ground forces? But .. Mission Accomplished. And I have seen rhetoric on this board after the troops left pertaining to 'why can't Iraq get it's shit together', and 'why is it our problem'. The foresight from many of you here is deplorable. Quote
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