On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Patently false....here is one U.S. case where a refugee was arrested and convicted on domestic terrorism charges: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/idaho-jury-convicts-uzbek-refugee-terror-charges-article-1.2323902 Whew, you found ONE. Hope you didn't spend too long searching, and I would point out that that old "weapons of mass destruction" thingy that was included in the charges, has caused the US more than a little bit of it's credibility in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) And of course the Boston Bombers were both refugees....... Of course...pointing at the USA's record for 100% angelic refugees was a very bad idea. Edited November 20, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Patently false....here is one U.S. case where a refugee was arrested and convicted on domestic terrorism charges: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/idaho-jury-convicts-uzbek-refugee-terror-charges-article-1.2323902 The stats are up to 2014, since 2015 is not finished yet. To edit and update: Upon looking at the source article, there are 2 other refugees who were arrested in "aiding Al Quaeda" in Iraq. The original article mentioned "domestic terrorism", so I wanted to be clear on that. It still stands, the percentages and the chances of a refugee engaging in terrorism is very low. Another example is our own refugee intake in Canada. Have we ever had any refugees in Canada arrested on domestic terrorist charges? And of course the Boston Bombers were both refugees....... Of course not. Check your information. The Boston Bombers Were Not Refugees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) The stats are up to 2014, since 2015 is not finished yet.... It still stands, the percentages and the chances of a refugee engaging in terrorism is very low. Nice try...he was arrested in 2013 on federal (domestic) charges...best to stick with facts in the first place instead of over-the-top rhetoric. At least you admit now that refugees have been arrested (and convicted) of domestic terrorism in the United States. Maybe stick to Canada next time...the actual topic. Edited November 20, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Bingo, you nailed it. Bigotry keeps rearing it's ugly head and it's not likely to stop, even after it has been previously been pointed out. The 'mastermind' got into the EU as a refugee, they were all radical Islamists. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12006892/International-manhunt-underway-after-French-police-let-Paris-attacks-suspect-slip-through-their-fingers.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Nice try...he was arrested in 2013 on federal (domestic) charges...best to stick with facts in the first place instead of over-the-top rhetoric. He was convicted in 2015. That's why he is not part of the statistics that go up to 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 He was convicted in 2015. That's why he is not part of the statistics that go up to 2014. The false claim concerned arrests...not convictions. Jumping on false claims that support a point of view does not change facts on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 The false claim concerned arrests...not convictions. Jumping on false claims that support a point of view does not change facts on the ground. You're not making a point. You're just reaching at whatever you can to try to say you have a point. There was no conviction until 2015 and even if there was one conviction, it proves the point that refugees are HIGHLY UNLIKELY to engage in terrorism. Why don't you go pay attention to the epidemic of white American kids shooting up schools instead of reaching like you are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Of course...pointing at the USA's record for 100% angelic refugees was a very bad idea. Oh and, why don't you correct yourself here? The Boston bombers were not refugees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Those 25,000 have already been vetted - will start arriving in two weeks. ---SNIP--- No they haven't. Edited November 21, 2015 by Charles Anthony [ ---SNIP---] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I continue to be fascinated by the security expert bright lights on this board attitude towards this latest refugee initiative: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rcmp-csis-support-trudeaus-plan-to-resettle-25000-syrian-refugees/article27342588/ CSIS (our federal security watchdog) and the RCMP (another national organization looking after security) has assured Canadians that the process is as functional and efficient as it can be. The heads of Canada’s police and spy agencies are backing the Trudeau government’s plans to safely screen and bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees by the end of the year. ​ ​What do you folks know that these professional security agencies do not know? I've seen the interview with the CSIS dude, he is saying all the right things, but he doesn't look at all convinced. Look at the interviews of people who are not directly under Trudeau's orders and what they say - quite a different story. You're being manipulated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloutier Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) This guy mentioned the number 2% so possibly around 500, maybe? Anyway, I think it should be properly handled even if it is just 1% out of the 25000. Edited November 21, 2015 by cloutier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloutier Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 A previous member of the board of refugee immigration of Canada says the security check in such a timeframe is just not possible. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KBPeDXNWFvI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 ...Why don't you go pay attention to the epidemic of white American kids shooting up schools instead of reaching like you are now. Because it is more fun pointing out your false claim about refugees in the U.S. to justify the coming Trudeau selfies with thousands of Syrians. Such nonsense will be challenged now and in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Because it is more fun pointing out your false claim about refugees in the U.S. to justify the coming Trudeau selfies with thousands of Syrians. Such nonsense will be challenged now and in the future. Even those who agreed to bring"refugees" in from Syria as promised by Trudeau during the election, have to be concerned with the time frame. It's foolhardy to put your own people at risk to keep an election promise. Liberals and promises are not always a team, we all recall Chretien and the GST. Ontario is another example of getting elected on promises which didn't materialize, McGuinty was a master, he got dubbed "McLiar", the dough heads in Ontario rewarded him repeatedly. Given the current situation with terrorists on the attack a leader with a brain would stall keeping this promise until we can take our time to screen them. We could also be introducing diseases like TB and worse. We are not in good hands; we are not safe when a leader ignores the advice of security experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 The stats are up to 2014, since 2015 is not finished yet. To edit and update: Upon looking at the source article, there are 2 other refugees who were arrested in "aiding Al Quaeda" in Iraq. The original article mentioned "domestic terrorism", so I wanted to be clear on that. It still stands, the percentages and the chances of a refugee engaging in terrorism is very low. Another example is our own refugee intake in Canada. Have we ever had any refugees in Canada arrested on domestic terrorist charges? Of course not. Check your information. The Boston Bombers Were Not Refugees I'm tired of the statement, "This country was built by immigrants!" Those immigrants were not sponsored, they used their own resources, sweat and hard work to get ahead. These new immigrants totally rely on sponsorship, grants, welfare, subsidizes, and handouts. The qualified, English speaking ones, create a brain and resource drain from the country they come from leaving that country in even worse shape. The Western world needs to help the people there, not bring them here. Education is the key, it lowers the birthrates, provides better government, and than the third world countries can move forward instead of being held down by the Western corporations that exploit their resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Whew, you found ONE. Hope you didn't spend too long searching, and I would point out that that old "weapons of mass destruction" thingy that was included in the charges, has caused the US more than a little bit of it's credibility in the past. It is hard to see the elephant in the room because it is hiding behind the opaque mammoth. The mammoth is that Islamic refugees ( esp.Sunnis) tend to have a lot of religious baggage that is not compatible with a secular society. Equality for women and gays along with freedom of religion are not a few of their favourite things. The 25,000 will be almost completely Sunni. The Ismailis, Ahmaddiyyas, Christians, Yazidis, etc. have avoided the refugee camps because of religious persecution in the camps. The elephant is the fact that once a refugee touches Canadian soil they will be granted Charter rights. You cannot deport anyone to a country where they may be in danger. Basically, that means they are our responsibility until Syria and/or Iraq get their act together. Until that happens they will be held on security certificates at great expense. Anyone that we welcome into our house should be thoroughly screened before they get through the door. That is not being uncaring. That is not being racist. That is common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Your reasoning and comments about the situation are shallow and contradict each other. These terrorists just attacked France. Why would they attack France if they don't care about Europe and what Europeans think? I already said that since they are no longer able to show any victories or conquests in the middle east they need to kill some easy targets in Europe so they can crow about it and recruit more cannon fodder for the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 It actually is. One of the attackers posted it on his FB page - something along the lines of making us afraid of our communities, not able to sleep comfortably in our beds. Yes, God is great. So what? That has nothing to do with 'hardening hearts' against Syrian refugees. Quit moving the goal posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Those immigrants were not sponsored, ... That's just incorrect. There were all kinds of programs to incentivize immigrating to Canada, including providing wives which France did via the "filles du roi". Please don't revise history, as it undercuts any reasonable arguments you may later make about immigration and I know you can do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 That's just incorrect. There were all kinds of programs to incentivize immigrating to Canada, including providing wives which France did via the "filles du roi". Please don't revise history, as it undercuts any reasonable arguments you may later make about immigration and I know you can do better. Yes, incentives based on hard work, like trying to attract Eastern European immigrants with free farmland that wasn't prepared to be farmed. They made it because they were forced to work hard clearing land. Nowadays, it's get in and social benefits will look after you, with no incentive to work. Big difference, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Yes, incentives based on hard work, like trying to attract Eastern European immigrants with free farmland that wasn't prepared to be farmed. They made it because they were forced to work hard clearing land. Nowadays, it's get in and social benefits will look after you, with no incentive to work. Right. So now that you have changed your argument, are you interested in giving immigrants free land then ? I'm confused as to your position. My concern is that there are a lot of people out there who don't recognize that their opinions are based on feelings and not reasoned arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Right. So now that you have changed your argument, are you interested in giving immigrants free land then ? I'm confused as to your position. My concern is that there are a lot of people out there who don't recognize that their opinions are based on feelings and not reasoned arguments. You seem to think reasons have remained static. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Right. So now that you have changed your argument, are you interested in giving immigrants free land then ? I'm confused as to your position. My concern is that there are a lot of people out there who don't recognize that their opinions are based on feelings and not reasoned arguments. You're not confused at all are you? I wonder what that could mean! Edited November 21, 2015 by Hal 9000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 It is hard to see the elephant in the room because it is hiding behind the opaque mammoth. The mammoth is that Islamic refugees ( esp.Sunnis) tend to have a lot of religious baggage that is not compatible with a secular society. Equality for women and gays along with freedom of religion are not a few of their favourite things. The 25,000 will be almost completely Sunni. The Ismailis, Ahmaddiyyas, Christians, Yazidis, etc. have avoided the refugee camps because of religious persecution in the camps. The elephant is the fact that once a refugee touches Canadian soil they will be granted Charter rights. You cannot deport anyone to a country where they may be in danger. Basically, that means they are our responsibility until Syria and/or Iraq get their act together. Until that happens they will be held on security certificates at great expense. Anyone that we welcome into our house should be thoroughly screened before they get through the door. That is not being uncaring. That is not being racist. That is common sense. Totally agree,the screening must be done effectively first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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