drummindiver Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Does the UN recognize the term 'enemy combatant' ? Kadhr is Canadian. How does being an American soldier make him an "enemy combatant"? Being an American soldier actually made Speers Kadhr's ally. Which is why, when he killed him, as a non combatant, he was charged...and convicted....of murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Kadhr is Canadian. How does being an American soldier make him an "enemy combatant"? Being an American soldier actually made Speers Kadhr's ally. Which is why, when he killed him, as a non combatant, he was charged...and convicted....of murder. The American military actually named him as a enemy combatant (Combat Status Review Tribunal) That was after the USSC had invalidated the military commissions system as contrary to US law, and the Geneva Conventions. Then the Court of Military Commissions Review was created to review the dismissed charges. Then, after he was imprisoned, and tortured, for 4 years the military created the Military Commissions Act ad charged Khadr with murder under that act. Another clear violation of International Law. One should start to see a pattern by now that this was a case the US gov and the military had their teeth into and were pursuing, to hell with the law. I wonder how many times you could be waterboarded before you would plead guilty to whatever it would take to have that stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 The American military actually named him as a enemy combatant (Combat Status Review Tribunal) That was after the USSC had invalidated the military commissions system as contrary to US law, and the Geneva Conventions. Then the Court of Military Commissions Review was created to review the dismissed charges. Then, after he was imprisoned, and tortured, for 4 years the military created the Military Commissions Act ad charged Khadr with murder under that act. Another clear violation of International Law. One should start to see a pattern by now that this was a case the US gov and the military had their teeth into and were pursuing, to hell with the law. I wonder how many times you could be waterboarded before you would plead guilty to whatever it would take to have that stopped. An enemy combatant after he killed Speers. Of course. Before that, they were allies. Because the US is Canada's ally. We shouldn't go throwing bombs at our allies. Has this happened before, where a Canadian has murdered an American ally? I haven't heard of it. I'm sure it's a pretty rare occurrence to murder an ally. I know there is talk that laws were made for this case. I'm not sure if that is true or not, but honestly, it would not surprise me if they were, as who would specifically make up laws to protect being murdered from their allies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 An enemy combatant after he killed Speers. Of course. Before that, they were allies. Because the US is Canada's ally. We shouldn't go throwing bombs at our allies. Has this happened before, where a Canadian has murdered an American ally? I haven't heard of it. I'm sure it's a pretty rare occurrence to murder an ally. I know there is talk that laws were made for this case. I'm not sure if that is true or not, but honestly, it would not surprise me if they were, as who would specifically make up laws to protect being murdered from their allies? First of all there is no proof Khadr killed anybody, other than his confession, which came only after years of imprisonment at Bagram airbase and then Gitmo. The very basis of his appeal is that his so called confession was coerced. He became an enemy combatant when US forces stored his compound ad started a firefight. And its not talk with regard to the law. The Military Commissions Act was put in effect in 2006. Khadr was imprisoned in 2002. He was charged under that act in 2007. That was after the USSC had thrown out previous attempts to charge. With regard to US military law, we are talking kangaroo court big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 First of all there is no proof Khadr killed anybody, other than his confession, which came only after years of imprisonment at Bagram airbase and then Gitmo. The very basis of his appeal is that his so called confession was coerced. He became an enemy combatant when US forces stored his compound ad started a firefight. And its not talk with regard to the law. The Military Commissions Act was put in effect in 2006. Khadr was imprisoned in 2002. He was charged under that act in 2007. That was after the USSC had thrown out previous attempts to charge. With regard to US military law, we are talking kangaroo court big time. There isn't even a question as to whether khadr killed somebody. He did. That's a fact. You're gonna have to come to terms with that at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) There isn't even a question as to whether khadr killed somebody. He did. That's a fact. You're gonna have to come to terms with that at some point. There certainly is, are questions. Do you actually know of anyone who testified as to having actually seen Khadr, or whoever, throw the grenade that killed Speer...Aside from that, forensic wound analysis from Speer indicate the possibility his death was due to friendly fire. Edited May 22, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 There isn't even a question as to whether khadr killed somebody. He did. That's a fact. You're gonna have to come to terms with that at some point. There's a humongous question mark hanging over who actually killed Speer you refuse to come to terms with is all. Even if it could be proven, it just doesn't matter because Khadr was and had been radicalized and indoctrinated since a very early age and because of that he isn't liable for anything. He was a victim of unscrupulous exploitive adults...now he's a victim of unscrupulous exploitive politicians who decent human beings should be profoundly ashamed of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 There isn't even a question as to whether khadr killed somebody. He did. That's a fact. You're gonna have to come to terms with that at some point. As is always the case, your sources support your notions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 An enemy combatant after he killed Speers. Of course. Before that, they were allies. Because the US is Canada's ally. We shouldn't go throwing bombs at our allies. Friends don't let friends commit war crimes and terrorist actions. Friends don't join friends in committing war crimes and terrorist actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Friends don't let friends commit war crimes and terrorist actions. Friends don't join friends in committing war crimes and terrorist actions. Yes they do...when they want to continue almost $2 billion per day in cross border trade, build pipelines to Texas refineries, and beg for a new bridge to Detroit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Yes they do...when they want to continue almost $2 billion per day in cross border trade, build pipelines to Texas refineries, and beg for a new bridge to Detroit ! No, they don't. Canada and the US don't commit war crimes the way Omar is implying. Again. With zero proof. Oh, sorry, leftist guerrilla blogs said so. Must be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 We do nonetheless contribute to enough geopolitical vandalism to rate as equals amongst rogues, terrorists and war criminals. What really sets us apart is that we're supposed to know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 We do nonetheless contribute to enough geopolitical vandalism to rate as equals amongst rogues, terrorists and war criminals. What really sets us apart is that we're supposed to know better. Says who ? The historical record says otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Kadhr is Canadian. How does being an American soldier make him an "enemy combatant"? Being an American soldier actually made Speers Kadhr's ally. Which is why, when he killed him, as a non combatant, he was charged...and convicted....of murder. But if he was wearing a uniform that would be ok with you? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 We do nonetheless contribute to enough geopolitical vandalism to rate as equals amongst rogues, terrorists and war criminals. What really sets us apart is that we're supposed to know better. But we have government and even trolls on this board apologizing and actually contributing to the stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Says who ? The historical record says otherwise. The stated principles our historical record is peppered with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 But we have government and even trolls on this board apologizing and actually contributing to the stupidity. To be fair though we have to allow for the possibility they're not apologizing at all. They could simply by trying to convey their understanding of what's happening and they're only being misinterpreted as apologists. You see a lot of that going on around here. Nonetheless, when you drill deep enough through the pulp and past the yes-we-made-a-few-mistakes nerve you find the real pagan attitudes like BC_2004's and Derek 2.0's. These guys don't mind stripping a little varnish of the facade. There's a Colonel Jessop deep down in our western society that's just dying to get out but our effete facade of Western righteousness keeps getting in the way. Our enemies would probably know how to deal with that amongst their own but they've obviously moved beyond apologizing or understanding. "We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene!" Colonel Kurtz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 The stated principles our historical record is peppered with. The body count is far greater than the number of stated principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Yes but they don't stack up as high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) But if he was wearing a uniform that would be ok with you? Why? If he was wearing a uniform? Whose uniform? Canadian military uniform, as he is Canadian? If he was, he should still be in Gitmo, being waterboarded, for purposely killing an ally, with the intent to kill more. What other uniform would he be wearing? An Islamist jihadi uniform? Not sure what they look like, but if he was wearing one of those, sure, shoot him. Again. Only better. Edited May 24, 2015 by drummindiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 If he was, he should still be in Gitmo, being waterboarded, . Mr Morality. Why some folk want the top war criminals, the top terrorists, the top purveyors of genocide on the planet neatly bundled into one country, to be their allies puzzles immensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Canada and the US don't commit war crimes the way Omar is implying. Again. With zero proof. Je suis Omar, on 24 May 2015 - 3:06 PM, said: The "obvious" being that the USA is now, and has always been a vicious nation of war criminals, terrorists, purveyors of genocide, and a host of other unsavoury attributes. That's right... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Mr Morality. Why some folk want the top war criminals, the top terrorists, the top purveyors of genocide on the planet neatly bundled into one country, to be their allies puzzles me Why some folk believe the topo war criminals, the top terrorists, the top purveyors of genocide on the planet are American amazes me. Clearly, history shows different. Mao Zedong-"The Great Leap Forward" killed between 40-70 million. Stalin-killed 23 million. Hitler-Approx 17 million. Leopold of Belgium-2 million Ismail Enver Pasha-2 million Pol Pot-1.7 million Kim ilSung-1.6 million Mengistu Haile Mariam-1.4 million Hmm. None American. Oddly, over 50% of the greatest perpetrators of murder, mayhem, genocide, and specifically democide are, in fact, communists. So, why don't your left leaning guerrilla blogs deride these atrocities? Of course, that doesn't ' fit your agenda, that being the villification of the the Great Satan America, and the freedoms it espouses. FFS, dude, give it a rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Why some folk believe the topo war criminals, the top terrorists, the top purveyors of genocide on the planet are American amazes me. Clearly, history shows different. Mao Zedong-"The Great Leap Forward" killed between 40-70 million. Stalin-killed 23 million. Hitler-Approx 17 million. Leopold of Belgium-2 million Ismail Enver Pasha-2 million Pol Pot-1.7 million Kim ilSung-1.6 million Mengistu Haile Mariam-1.4 million Hmm. None American. Oddly, over 50% of the greatest perpetrators of murder, mayhem, genocide, and specifically democide are, in fact, communists. So, why don't your left leaning guerrilla blogs deride these atrocities? Of course, that doesn't ' fit your agenda, that being the villification of the the Great Satan America, and the freedoms it espouses. FFS, dude, give it a rest. Omar Khadr-1....maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Omar Khadr-1....maybe. Omar Khadr-1.5 (maiming someone also counts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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