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This February he spoke to a psychologist at Bowden Institution, near Calgary, about how he had thrown the grenade and for eight years believed he had killed the U.S. soldier, and how he came to hope that it was not his grenade that killed the soldier. The psychologist’s report was in court documents made public at his bail hearing which saw him freed this month.

He was not in Gitmo, he was in a Canadian institution, talking to a Canadian doctor.

No one coerced this from him.

He admitted of his own free will that he threw the grenade.

The plea deal was what got him to Canada after 8 years at Gitmo Try to keep up with the facts.

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The plea deal was what got him to Canada after 8 years at Gitmo Try to keep up with the facts.

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"Try to keep up with the facts"

Thanks.

Please read my previous three posts, as you don't seem to understand them.

He was in Gitmo. Agreed. He pled guilty, we'll agree to disagree as to why.

After leaving Gitmo, he is in Canada, yeah?

He was in Canada, doing pre trial assessments, when he said he threw the grenade.

He did not have to say he threw the grenade to the psychologist to get out of the Canadian institution where he was definitely not being tortured.

Ok?

We are not talking the Gitmo confession here. We are talking the Canadian, in a Canadian institution confession.

Ok again?

Court documents released at his bail hearings state this is what he said, in a Canadian institution. Not during torture. Definitely not during torture.

Ok?

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The kind of human that is debating one issue. You are debating another issue (with all your usual rhetoric, I may add).

Your "what kind of human" remark is uncalled for, but due to your leanings, will go unmentioned by the powers that be.

I honestly think you have a mental issue that forces you to drone on about the American governments' foreign policies. I truly do not think you can stick to a thread's issue without reverting to your agenda.

Such dishonesty, DD. You try to advance the ludicrous notion that Americans war crimes in Afghanistan aren't crucial to this situation, that the USA gulag, Guantanamo, has nothing to do with this.

Even the FACT that the USA has Guantanamo is highly relevant. They stole it using terrorist tactics. It came to them from war crimes they committed against Cuba.

Without all these interconnected USA war crimes and terrorism, we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

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Such dishonesty, DD. You try to advance the ludicrous notion that Americans war crimes in Afghanistan aren't crucial to this situation, that the USA gulag, Guantanamo, has nothing to do with this.

Even the FACT that the USA has Guantanamo is highly relevant. They stole it using terrorist tactics. It came to them from war crimes they committed against Cuba.

Without all these interconnected USA war crimes and terrorism, we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

Omar, whatever dude. You seriously freak me out.

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"Try to keep up with the facts"

Thanks.

Please read my previous three posts, as you don't seem to understand them.

He was in Gitmo. Agreed. He pled guilty, we'll agree to disagree as to why.

After leaving Gitmo, he is in Canada, yeah?

He was in Canada, doing pre trial assessments, when he said he threw the grenade.

He did not have to say he threw the grenade to the psychologist to get out of the Canadian institution where he was definitely not being tortured.

Ok?

We are not talking the Gitmo confession here. We are talking the Canadian, in a Canadian institution confession.

Ok again?

Court documents released at his bail hearings state this is what he said, in a Canadian institution. Not during torture. Definitely not during torture.

Ok?

He was convicted based on a confession he made while being tortured in Gitmo. OK.

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He was convicted based on a confession he made while being tortured in Gitmo. OK.

You are obviously being purposely obtuse.

He admitted, while in Canada, at a Canadian institution, while not being tortured, that he did indeed throw the grenade.

I know this does not fit your agenda.

He is a convicted murderer, as he should be.

He is a leftist media darling in Canada, which is beyond repugnant.

Continue to be obtuse, it makes no matter. He clearly, and unequivocally admitted to a Canadian doctor that he did indeed throw the grenade. No "damn muricans" involved.

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You are obviously being purposely obtuse.

He admitted, while in Canada, at a Canadian institution, while not being tortured, that he did indeed throw the grenade.

I know this does not fit your agenda.

He is a convicted murderer, as he should be.

He is a leftist media darling in Canada, which is beyond repugnant.

Continue to be obtuse, it makes no matter. He clearly, and unequivocally admitted to a Canadian doctor that he did indeed throw the grenade. No "damn muricans" involved.

He confessed to escape torture. You seem to have the handle on obtuse here.

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He confessed to escape torture. You seem to have the handle on obtuse here.

He confessed..IN CANADA!

Was he being tortured IN CANADA?

If so, by whom? His psychologist, Dr.Nhan Lau?

Look, clearly you ARE being obtuse. Clearly, even if he did plead guilty to escape torture in Gitmo, he was not being tortured while being interviewed by Canadian psychologist Dr. Nhan Lau at a Canadian institution as part of his assessment to receive bail. In Canada. . As I have clearly stated. Numerous times.

Clearly, this does not fit your agenda of the "damned muricans" picking on innocent Omar.

Clearly, no amount of evidence will deter you. Even Omar himself admitting it. In Canada. While not being tortured.

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He confessed..IN CANADA!

Was he being tortured IN CANADA?

If so, by whom? His psychologist, Dr.Nhan Lau?

Look, clearly you ARE being obtuse. Clearly, even if he did plead guilty to escape torture in Gitmo, he was not being tortured while being interviewed by Canadian psychologist Dr. Nhan Lau at a Canadian institution as part of his assessment to receive bail. In Canada. . As I have clearly stated. Numerous times.

Clearly, this does not fit your agenda of the "damned muricans" picking on innocent Omar.

Clearly, no amount of evidence will deter you. Even Omar himself admitting it. In Canada. While not being tortured.

He confessed in Gitmo. Try to get it straight. And he was convicted retroactively under law that was created some 4 years after he had been imprisoned - totally illegal under international law. And in a kangaroo court deemed unconstitutional by the USSC. Nobody saw him throw the grenade. He may have thrown one, but forensics show if he did, it wasn't the one that killed Speer. Cleerly no amount of acctul evidence will detr you because you want Khadr to be guilty and thats that.

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He confessed in Gitmo. Try to get it straight. And he was convicted retroactively under law that was created some 4 years after he had been imprisoned - totally illegal under international law. And in a kangaroo court deemed unconstitutional by the USSC. Nobody saw him throw the grenade. He may have thrown one, but forensics show if he did, it wasn't the one that killed Speer. Cleerly no amount of acctul evidence will detr you because you want Khadr to be guilty and thats that.

He also confessed in Canada.

Linked in previous posts.

So he has confessed in at least two countries.

News reports he confessed in Afghanistan. At the scene.

So, you are saying the court documents from the pre trial are all lies?

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Confessions obtained through torture are not acceptable in most courts.

drummindiver seems to think the effects of torture go away as soon as you're freed. That there is no lasting psychological damage caused by it, completely ignoring generations of study that show torture can make you start believing lies. Hell, Orwell wrote about it decades ago. 2+2=5 and all that. Star Trek TNG had an episode where Cardassians tortured Picard and he stated afterwards that he began to believe that there 5 lights when there was only 4. It's such common knowledge that it made its way into pop culture references. Edited by cybercoma
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drummindiver seems to think the effects of torture go away as soon as you're freed. That there is no lasting psychological damage caused by it, completely ignoring generations of study that show torture can make you start believing lies. Hell, Orwell wrote about it decades ago. 2+2=5 and all that. Star Trek TNG had an episode where Cardassians tortured Picard and he stated afterwards that he began to believe that there 5 lights when there was only 4. It's such common knowledge that it made its way into pop culture references.

I suspect that that common knowledge was very helpful in the judge's determination that Khadr should be granted bail, since it makes for a strong case on appeal, at least in a proper court.

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After reading some of the comments against Khadr, perhaps we could look at what happen in Nam and the killing of women and children by US soldiers. War can become really ugly and many countries try to hide such things, so unless one lives in a country that is pure, you really can't say much about Khadr.

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After reading some of the comments against Khadr, perhaps we could look at what happen in Nam and the killing of women and children by US soldiers.

What other irrelevant and unrelated things should we do?

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From drumindiver's previous link:

Mr. Khadr described a childhood in which he saw Osama bin Laden several times (the late al-Qaeda leader attended his sisters wedding), and in which he performed translation services, spying and the planting of bombs for terrorists.

If I could do things differently, I probably would have challenged my father more. I dont think I could have said no to him but would have tried.

That's a very good sign.

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K.

Uh, this is a Kadhr thread, so let's stay on topic for a change.

As a civilian, he murdered an ally. He is convicted of that as well as of terrorism. Even Kadhr says he did it.

He is in Gitmo where he allegedly was waterboarded. Of course, the Liberals will believe a convicted terrorist and murderer, so let's actually suspend belief and say he was waterboarded.

Moving on, he is now, to the applause of, again, the Liberals in the crowd, getting out of jail.

To all accounts, a changed, non-radicalized individual.

Which proves, of course, is that if what he said is true, waterboarding works.

All convicted terrorist murderers should be waterboarded. Less money to incarcerate, and as all the Liberals on here keep shouting, he's not radicalized anymore. Seriously, it's a win win for everyone. (/sarcasm)

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K.

Uh, this is a Kadhr thread, so let's stay on topic for a change.

As a civilian, he murdered an ally. He is convicted of that as well as of terrorism. Even Kadhr says he did it.

He is in Gitmo where he allegedly was waterboarded. Of course, the Liberals will believe a convicted terrorist and murderer, so let's actually suspend belief and say he was waterboarded.

Moving on, he is now, to the applause of, again, the Liberals in the crowd, getting out of jail.

To all accounts, a changed, non-radicalized individual.

Which proves, of course, is that if what he said is true, waterboarding works.

All convicted terrorist murderers should be waterboarded. Less money to incarcerate, and as all the Liberals on here keep shouting, he's not radicalized anymore. Seriously, it's a win win for everyone. (/sarcasm)

He was tried in the Kangaroo court of his enemy. And the only way you can call what he did "terrorism" is if you completely ignore the definition of the word. People should stop being so promiscuous with language.

And beyond that... even if he DID do what hes accused of he should have been released once the war was over.

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K.

Uh, this is a Kadhr thread, so let's stay on topic for a change.

As a civilian, he murdered an ally. He is convicted of that as well as of terrorism. Even Kadhr says he did it.

He is in Gitmo where he allegedly was waterboarded. Of course, the Liberals will believe a convicted terrorist and murderer, so let's actually suspend belief and say he was waterboarded.

Moving on, he is now, to the applause of, again, the Liberals in the crowd, getting out of jail.

To all accounts, a changed, non-radicalized individual.

Which proves, of course, is that if what he said is true, waterboarding works.

All convicted terrorist murderers should be waterboarded. Less money to incarcerate, and as all the Liberals on here keep shouting, he's not radicalized anymore. Seriously, it's a win win for everyone. (/sarcasm)

You have pretty much put the cart before the horse. No need to waterboard someone after they are convicted. They did it to him to GET the confession so they could convict, which is one big reason most sensible people refer to the whole proceeding as a kangaroo court.

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blah. blah. blah.

He admits guilt. Time you Liberals let it go and admit he did it.

That being said, he is free. Let's see if he is honest in the fact of denouncing the ideology the Liberals on this site are so bent on advocating for. You know, the ideology the whole Khadr family embraces as they tell the Canadian public how much they despise us as they are using us for medical and welfare only. The ideology half the family died for.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/inside-the-mind-of-omar-khadr/

He recants his confession he made while being tortured, and he is free because a proper judge in a proper court realized that, in all likelihood, in a proper court, the conviction will be overturned on appeal.

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