Baltimore Riots

[bush_cheney2004]

Don't feel bad. Your criminal justice systems in the US are no more violent than Iran, North Korea, or Yemen. You're in good company.

I don't feel bad.....the violence is just part of the deal. Lots more people in the U.S. than in Canada...by choice.

[bush_cheney2004]

Mom of the Year in Baltimore:

...One youth who was among the protesters was in for quite a surprise when what appears to be his mother showed up to take him home.

Several news organizations and bystanders filmed the encounter as the woman yells at the young man and hits him several times around his head.

At one point, she grabs him by the scruff of the neck and pushes him away from the protests.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/baltimore-protester-s-mother-drags-him-home-is-hailed-as-mom-of-the-year-1.3051954

[dre]

Because that would fix everything!

It wouldnt fix everything but its an excellent idea and a good start.

[The_Squid]

Mom of the Year in Baltimore:

...One youth who was among the protesters was in for quite a surprise when what appears to be his mother showed up to take him home.

Several news organizations and bystanders filmed the encounter as the woman yells at the young man and hits him several times around his head.

At one point, she grabs him by the scruff of the neck and pushes him away from the protests.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/baltimore-protester-s-mother-drags-him-home-is-hailed-as-mom-of-the-year-1.3051954

Good for her!

[Boges]

Mom of the Year in Baltimore:

...One youth who was among the protesters was in for quite a surprise when what appears to be his mother showed up to take him home.

Several news organizations and bystanders filmed the encounter as the woman yells at the young man and hits him several times around his head.

At one point, she grabs him by the scruff of the neck and pushes him away from the protests.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/baltimore-protester-s-mother-drags-him-home-is-hailed-as-mom-of-the-year-1.3051954

In Canada, the Children's Aid Society would be called.

[WWWTT]

Violence could simply just be a part of the culture in parts the US too. To highlight cops as a specific problem doesn't address the problems all together.

Cops have to deal with more violent people in the US than the do in other civilized cultures.

And why is that?

Why is violence a problem in the US?

Is it the people's fault?

Or is it something the government allows or even escalates?

WWWTT

[The_Squid]

In Canada, the Children's Aid Society would be called.

Not true.

But if they were, they would applaud her for removing her child from a dangerous situation.

Edited April 28, 2015 by The_Squid

[Argus]

OK: prove it.

With the cameras there has been an improvement in officer’s demeanor and tone towards those they serve. As Chief Farrar noted, “With a camera they are more conscious of how they speak and how they treat people.”

The body cameras were introduced on officers in February 2012, over the next twelve months total complaints filed against them dropped by 88%, with use of force by officers dropping by 60%

http://benswann.com/police-use-of-force-drops-60-when-officers-required-to-wear-video-cameras/

[Boges]

Apparently the Orioles are going to play to an empty stadium tomorrow.

This happens in European Soccer from time to time, I don't know of a time that, that has ever happened in North American sports.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Boges

[The_Squid]

With the cameras there has been an improvement in officer’s demeanor and tone towards those they serve. As Chief Farrar noted, “With a camera they are more conscious of how they speak and how they treat people.”

The body cameras were introduced on officers in February 2012, over the next twelve months total complaints filed against them dropped by 88%, with use of force by officers dropping by 60%

http://benswann.com/police-use-of-force-drops-60-when-officers-required-to-wear-video-cameras/

I was going to point to the same study. Of course they should wear cameras! It makes perfect sense, especially in the U.S. where they have huge LEO corruption issues. It keeps them (more) honest.

[The_Squid]

Apparently the Orioles are going to play to an empty stadium tomorrow.

This happens in European Soccer from time to time, I don't know of a time that, that has ever happened in North American sports.

Expos did it all the time....

*rim shot*

[cybercoma]

I don't feel bad.....the violence is just part of the deal. Lots more people in the U.S. than in Canada...by choice.

A lot healthier, more intelligent, and safer people in Canada than in the US too. By choice.

[bush_cheney2004]

A lot healthier, more intelligent, and safer people in Canada than in the US too. By choice.

I doubt that....the math doesn't work because of Canada's much smaller population.

The world chooses the U.S. over Canada...always has.

[Shady]

I've shown they do not help. That's undeniable.

Of course they help. They can provide information that would otherwise be unknown. It's undeniable.

[Shady]

Apparently the Orioles are going to play to an empty stadium tomorrow.

This happens in European Soccer from time to time, I don't know of a time that, that has ever happened in North American sports.

I hope it's televised!

[Bob Macadoo]

People with little or no ethics, integrity or morals are among the police ranks for sure, and they are an accurate reflection of the citizenry in general. Racists exist in police forces(black and white) because they exist in the population. You can't get a non-bigoted police force out of a bigoted general population.

Ever wonder why politicians are so unethical? The whole thing is a society problem, not a cop problem. Any and every vocation has shocking behaviour in the news if you look for it. Name a vocation that is without these idiot individuals, whether they be molesting kids, working while in an altered state, stealing, attacking, etc., you can't get away from it.

That was by far the most agreeable thing you have ever said......the problem is we can't afford to shrug our collective shoulders.

[Guest]

A lot healthier, more intelligent, and safer people in Canada than in the US too. By choice.

Well, at least it took a murder for the people of Baltimore to riot. All it took in Vancouver was to lose an ice hockey match.

[Guest]

Apparently the Orioles are going to play to an empty stadium tomorrow.

This happens in European Soccer from time to time, I don't know of a time that, that has ever happened in North American sports.

Yeah, but usually it's a punitive measure against the home team.

[sharkman]

That was by far the most agreeable thing you have ever said......the problem is we can't afford to shrug our collective shoulders.

I notice that few people want to face the idea that it's the citizenry that is the problem. And no, we can't afford to shrug our shoulders at it, and if recent history is any indicator, such cases will be happening with increasing frequency.

[Derek 2.0]

I notice that few people want to face the idea that it's the citizenry that is the problem. And no, we can't afford to shrug our shoulders at it, and if recent history is any indicator, such cases will be happening with increasing frequency.

Very good points, as clearly violence is a sociological problem.........by chance, did you read this book? I ask because it touches on your points near verbatim.........

[Big Guy]

Any legal protest requires an authorization by the authorities. Generally, almost all organized protests get the authority because they would probably protest anyway. But with the authority, the police department has an idea of where, when , why and who will be there. They can then assign enough support to divert traffic and protect the protestors (and spectators) involved.

I would like to see the organizers be supplied with t-shirts of a different and obvious design and distribute them to those who are part of the protest. Anyone wanting to join would be issued a shirt by the organizers and their names recorded. Those not wearing the designated t-shirt and participating would draw the focus of the police. It is the criminals who use these legitimate protests as the cover for their criminal activities.

Those who organize these protests do not want these criminals in their ranks and it is to their advantage that the police can distinguish the legitimate protestor from the criminal intent on looting, burning etc.

To protest is a healthy democratic tool. To loot, burn and injure are criminal acts that should be punished.

Edited April 29, 2015 by Big Guy

[WestCoastRunner]

Any legal protest requires an authorization by the authorities. Generally, almost all organized protests get the authority because they would probably protest anyway. But with the authority, the police department has an idea of where, when , why and who will be there. They can then assign enough support to divert traffic and protect the protestors (and spectators) involved.

I would like to see the organizers be supplied with t-shirts of a different and obvious design and distribute them to those who are part of the protest. Anyone wanting to join would be issued a shirt by the organizers and their names recorded. Those not wearing the designated t-shirt and participating would draw the focus of the police. It is the criminals who use these legitimate protests as the cover for their criminal activities.

Those who organize these protests do not want these criminals in their ranks and it is to their advantage that the police can distinguish the legitimate protestor from the criminal intent on looting, burning etc.

To protest is a healthy democratic tool. To loot, burn and injure are criminal acts that should be punished.

You are talking about protests organized by folks who expect to be treated with respect. That is clearly not going to happen in Baltimore given the history of the police dept. you are expecting a pipe dream big guy. There are far more dynamics at play here than simply assembling a peaceful parade.

[Shady]

You are talking about protests organized by folks who expect to be treated with respect. That is clearly not going to happen in Baltimore given the history of the police dept. you are expecting a pipe dream big guy. There are far more dynamics at play here than simply assembling a peaceful parade.

Which peaceful protests in Baltimore haven't been treated with respect?

[jacee]

Any legal protest requires an authorization by the authorities.

No it doesn't. You don't ask 'permission' from anybody to protest.

Generally, almost all organized protests get the authority because they would probably protest anyway. But with the authority, the police department has an idea of where, when , why and who will be there. They can then assign enough support to divert traffic and protect the protestors (and spectators) involved.

The murdering creeps can piss up a rope.

I would like to see the organizers be supplied with t-shirts of a different and obvious design and distribute them to those who are part of the protest. Anyone wanting to join would be issued a shirt by the organizers and their names recorded. Those not wearing the designated t-shirt and participating would draw the focus of the police. It is the criminals who use these legitimate protests as the cover for their criminal activities.

Those who organize these protests do not want these criminals in their ranks and it is to their advantage that the police can distinguish the legitimate protestor from the criminal intent on looting, burning etc.

Unh ... No.

To protest is a healthy democratic tool. To loot, burn and injure are criminal acts that should be punished.

And usually is.

Cops who murder people, however, usually aren't.

Edited April 29, 2015 by jacee

[sharkman]

Very good points, as clearly violence is a sociological problem.........by chance, did you read this book? I ask because it touches on your points near verbatim.........

No, I haven't read that book, but I'm sure these ideas about violence and ethics are shared by more than a few. I again challenge anyone to name a vocation that hasn't been tainted with scandals and harm that the absence of ethics or morals always leads to.

Edited April 29, 2015 by sharkman